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About sasha...that woman makes me feel nervous I really don't like her , she shouldn't stay around Axl. I wish she was out of the GNR scene completely. Anyway maybe she was there only because Slane was the first date of the tour and I hope we won't see her anymore like she was only at the London gig during the Axl/DC concerts.

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5 minutes ago, Frey said:

 

Wilderness years pictures?

Anyone know where/when these were taken and where they came from?

 

 

You can ask Katyaani from tumblr

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55 minutes ago, Frey said:

I wasn't implying there was anything wrong with him being androgynous or girly looking (at any stage of his life), I was referencing an extensive gender studies type discussion we had in this thread about Axl some time ago. The topic of Axl being a pretty boy comes up A LOT in this thread, it's not exactly new :P

I knew what you meant. I just gave my own opinion about the androgynous/girly looks- subject. :P

I tend to concentrate on another pretty boy on another thread here in the jungle. And he, IMO, has always looked like a boy ( no matter how pretty he looks in the picture)

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1 hour ago, Frey said:

As the chairman I feel obliged to ask all of you to carefully watch Slash's reaction at Axl's words. If my old eyes aren't deceiving me, Slash appears to smile happily at Axl calling him his friend.

Ain't that sweet :lol::facepalm:

 

 

I see tht!!:wow::dance::wub:

We need a better video! for a gif!

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38 minutes ago, Fourteenbeers said:

I knew what you meant. I just gave my own opinion about the androgynous/girly looks- subject. :P

I tend to concentrate on another pretty boy on another thread here in the jungle. And he, IMO, has always looked like a boy ( no matter how pretty he looks in the picture)

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He's handsome, not pretty :lol:

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6 minutes ago, SerenityScorp said:

He's handsome, not pretty :lol:

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Just kidding ;) He can be pretty, handsome, beautiful...

I just needed an excuse to post his pic on this thread. :lol: 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Frey said:

I think it's just because all the other women are actual girlfriends and wives of the guys. They're their official and publically recognized partners. While Sasha isn't really anything to Axl? She's not his wife, fiance, girlfriend, etc. At best you could call her a "friend with benefits", and not even that is for certain.

I think these days she's mostly just "a friend" and part of the extended entourage, who occasionally drops in on Axl/TB. Especially since Sasha appears to live and work in Europe now, she probably isn't around Axl a whole lot anymore.

 

I wasn't implying there was anything wrong with him being androgynous or girly looking (at any stage of his life), I was referencing an extensive gender studies type discussion we had in this thread about Axl some time ago. The topic of Axl being a pretty boy comes up A LOT in this thread, it's not exactly new :P

 

Wilderness years pictures?

Anyone know where/when these were taken and where they came from?

 

What? This is not true at all imo. Axl seems to get along very well with all the women in his life nowadays for the most part (like Beta, Vanessa, Kat, Melissa, Amy and so on) and he is very affectionate towards them and talks very fondly about all of them.

He constantly talks about Beta for example and you can't get more affectionate than the time he brought her out on stage in front of thousands of people, telling them what Beta means to him, before hugging her while crying. And he's brought her out on stage and talked about her many more times since that. Or just look how affectionate Axl and Melissa are with each other. They haven't even known each other for very long, but they sure seem to get along great.

Besides, even back in the day, when he still was a way more fucked up guy than he is nowadays, he had tons of female "friends" (or at least fuck buddies / girls he was close with) and appeared to be very fond of some of them at least. Like Barbie for example (going by the lyrics of Rocket Queen and what she herself has said). Who was it that made some dumb comment about Axl having lots of female friends or not being surprised Axl has so many female friends because he likes to talk just as much as girls do? Or likes to talk about his feelings just as much as girls do? Probably Steven or Niven or someone, but yeah. Not to mention how protective he always was about his sister and stuff like that.

All in all, I definitely wouldn't say he's incapable of being friendly and affectionate towards women, especially not nowadays.

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@Andy14 Thanks for posting the video of that holy moment lol.

As the chairman I feel obliged to ask all of you to carefully watch Slash's reaction at Axl's words. If my old eyes aren't deceiving me, Slash appears to smile happily at Axl calling him his friend.

Ain't that sweet :lol::facepalm:

 

 

This pics Axl look as'GURU' ?

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On 5/26/2017 at 3:04 PM, Andy14 said:

 

You perverts! 13065781_1578941119102349_1217286974_n.p

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You better watch this: 

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@money honey Enjoy your show :headbang:. And don't forget to behave according to the Women's thread rules....if you've never heard about it, blame @Frey :smiley-confused2:

@Andy14 Thank you, lovely girl!!!! I'm already suffering an overload of Axl-sexiness after Slane, your gif just might push me over the edge...

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5 hours ago, Frey said:

 

I wasn't implying there was anything wrong with him being androgynous or girly looking (at any stage of his life), I was referencing an extensive gender studies type discussion we had in this thread about Axl some time ago. The topic of Axl being a pretty boy comes up A LOT in this thread, it's not exactly new :P

 

You don't say! :D

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5 hours ago, Frey said:

What? This is not true at all imo. Axl seems to get along very well with all the women in his life nowadays for the most part (like Beta, Vanessa, Kat, Melissa, Amy and so on) and he is very affectionate towards them and talks very fondly about all of them.

He constantly talks about Beta for example and you can't get more affectionate than the time he brought her out on stage in front of thousands of people, telling them what Beta means to him, before hugging her while crying. And he's brought her out on stage and talked about her many more times since that. Or just look how affectionate Axl and Melissa are with each other. They haven't even known each other for very long, but they sure seem to get along great.

Besides, even back in the day, when he still was a way more fucked up guy than he is nowadays, he had tons of female "friends" (or at least fuck buddies / girls he was close with) and appeared to be very fond of some of them at least. Like Barbie for example (going by the lyrics of Rocket Queen and what she herself has said). Who was it that made some dumb comment about Axl having lots of female friends or not being surprised Axl has so many female friends because he likes to talk just as much as girls do? Or likes to talk about his feelings just as much as girls do? Probably Steven or Niven or someone, but yeah. Not to mention how protective he always was about his sister and stuff like that.

All in all, I definitely wouldn't say he's incapable of being friendly and affectionate towards women, especially not nowadays.

Well, the way you describe him here makes me think twice. Still I dunno. Loving his "mom" Beta is something different to me. There are a lot of guys who'll eternally love and respect their mother and not so much the other women in his life. I agree I read of Axl's women friends in the early years but always thought of them as short term friends and fuck buddies. And being friendly and affectionate is not quite what I meant. I'm quite sure he can do that. What I meant is a real friend who cares and does things for the woman because they might be important to her but not to him. Like @MillionsOfSpiders pointed out, he could reach out and speak for her status among the other women. It's only an example because most likely Sasha wouldn't care. I just made me think that Axl wouldn't care to do those kind of things to his women friends. Maybe I'm wrong there, we'll never know. 

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37 minutes ago, Tori72 said:

Well, the way you describe him here makes me think twice. Still I dunno. Loving his "mom" Beta is something different to me. There are a lot of guys who'll eternally love and respect their mother and not so much the other women in his life. I agree I read of Axl's women friends in the early years but always thought of them as short term friends and fuck buddies. And being friendly and affectionate is not quite what I meant. I'm quite sure he can do that. What I meant is a real friend who cares and does things for the woman because they might be important to her but not to him. Like @MillionsOfSpiders pointed out, he could reach out and speak for her status among the other women. It's only an example because most likely Sasha wouldn't care. I just made me think that Axl wouldn't care to do those kind of things to his women friends. Maybe I'm wrong there, we'll never know. 

I get what you mean about guys who adore their mothers, but treat other women like shit, but I don't think it really applies here because Beta isn't actually his mother and Axl only met her late in life and he wasn't raised by her or anything. So even if he likes to think of her as his mother, it's still technically a relationship/friendship between two people who are basically the same age and just met at some point in life and got along. In my eyes at least. And also vaguely creepy. I can't imagine calling any woman my age "Mom". :scared:

About him doing things that are important to a female friend, but not to him... I don't know. It's not really the type of thing we'd really hear about usually, I guess. He's done a lot of very nice and caring things for Beta, Kat, Amy, etc. over the years (little things and also bigger things), but I'm not really sure where the difference is between that and what you are talking about. But I'll admit this might be just me failing to understand these fine distinctions women like to make :P

Ultimately, I think it comes down to what Doug Goldstein, Beta and Slash all have either said or at least alluded to: Axl doesn't really know how to express love and affection (or at least he didn't really know how to do so back in the day) and so he makes up for it by throwing tons of presents, money and opportunities at people he likes. Or writes songs/holds speaches about these people. "Grand gestures", Slash once called it when talking about this and I think he was spot on.

 

 

 

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33 minutes ago, Frey said:

Ultimately, I think it comes down to what Doug Goldstein, Beta and Slash all have either said or at least alluded to: Axl doesn't really know how to express love and affection (or at least he didn't really know how to do so back in the day) and so he makes up for it by throwing tons of presents, money and opportunities at people he likes. Or writes songs/holds speaches about these people. "Grand gestures", Slash once called it when talking about this and I think he was spot on.

Totalle agree,  I think that's what it comes down to. 

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1 hour ago, Frey said:

Ultimately, I think it comes down to what Doug Goldstein, Beta and Slash all have either said or at least alluded to: Axl doesn't really know how to express love and affection (or at least he didn't really know how to do so back in the day) and so he makes up for it by throwing tons of presents, money and opportunities at people he likes. Or writes songs/holds speaches about these people. "Grand gestures", Slash once called it when talking about this and I think he was spot on.

 

I agree with this, a good friend of mine cannot fully express her love in a verbal, demonstrative way either...even to her own immediate family..so she shows it by feeding people..Sounds weird i know, but the more she cares for you, the more food she piles your way :lol:.. sounds like Axl is similar in the way he expresses his feelings...

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12 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

I wonder why she doesn't seem to be as accepted as the other GnR guys women? It's pretty obvious that at times she's very close to Axl but none of the other women are pictured with her or follow her on social media. They follow Del and his wife and the personal trainer and even Franks girlfriend, Slash's girlfriend is always talking to Franks girlfriend. Yet Sasha seems to be shunned.

Axl should sort that out if he has any kind of feelings for her!!! 

Maybe the reason is that she hasn't been around much backstage during the tour. TB, the trainer, Frank's girlfriend, Del and his wife are people Susan and Meegan see and talk with every day or at least often, but probably they don't know Sasha enough to include her in their social media friendships.

I don't think that Axl has thought about it (and neither has Sasha).

2 hours ago, Tori72 said:
2 hours ago, Frey said:

Ultimately, I think it comes down to what Doug Goldstein, Beta and Slash all have either said or at least alluded to: Axl doesn't really know how to express love and affection (or at least he didn't really know how to do so back in the day) and so he makes up for it by throwing tons of presents, money and opportunities at people he likes. Or writes songs/holds speaches about these people. "Grand gestures", Slash once called it when talking about this and I think he was spot on.

Totalle agree,  I think that's what it comes down to. 

And this, if it's really the case, doesn't have to do with whether Axl has been affectionate to women specifically, it's about him and people in general.

I remember Pamela Manning saying that Axl didn't forget about her when he became successful, but he "took care of" her. I assume that by "taking care of" she meant that he helped her financially. He probably did the same with other people from their circle in the early days, both men and women. Also, talking about Axl giving presents: Courtney Love is not a very reliable source, but she has said that Axl bought Corvettes for all the stripper girls when he made money.

I think though (based upon what we know, because of course there are far more things that we don't know) that he has shown some signs of affection. Besides what @Frey pointed out about Beta, Vanessa, Barbi in the old days etc., the "My Michelle" song story is sweet.

 

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LoL :lol:

I dont know why you people go out of your ways trying to make Axl look like a guy who is nice to women when we all know the sordid stories about that :facepalm:

I have never seen Axl as one of those guys who ACTUALLY have FEMALE FRIENDS. And by female friends I mean that, FRIENDS WHO ARE WOMEN. Not fuck buddies, not lovers, not girlfriends, not wives. All the people you mentioned from the past have had sexual relationships with him at least once.

I don't know about Beta and Vanessa :ph34r:. I assume he hasn't touched those (but I would never put my hands on fire for this guy) because he considers them family. Kat and Melissa are women who work for him and I have no idea what he's done for them that it is so special, aside from hiring them? :shrugs:

4 hours ago, Tori72 said:

What I meant is a real friend who cares and does things for the woman because they might be important to her but not to him. Like @MillionsOfSpiders pointed out, he could reach out and speak for her status among the other women. It's only an example because most likely Sasha wouldn't care. I just made me think that Axl wouldn't care to do those kind of things to his women friends. Maybe I'm wrong there, we'll never know. 

I don't believe in their friendship because they got laid (maybe they still do) and so it is nothing pure like a real friendship. But assuming nowadays they don't sleep together then there's nothing for him to "make clear" among the other women.

Not even when he was publicly out with her in 2006 did he ever talked about her or introduced her as his girlfriend or official partner. I have always found that pretty bad for her and I have been wondering ever since about her self-esteem regarding that.

How could she accept to remain in the shadows as if he was ashamed of her or something.... No one knows what she is to him and most of the time she's regarded as nothing more than a sexual partner. It's been 10 years since she was first seen around him and she was never acknowledged any status of nothing.

The whole thing is utterly strange. He's been "single" forever and it seems she has not been dating anyone for a long time, yet they seem to hang out from time to time (Sasha was visiting L.A. back in December 2016) so I wonder how in the hell any of them would ever begin a relationship with someone new if they remain in contact for so long but at the same time pretend they are not together :shrugs:

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1 hour ago, killuridols said:

LoL :lol:

I dont know why you people go out of your ways trying to make Axl look like a guy who is nice to women when we all know the sordid stories about that :facepalm:

I have never seen Axl as one of those guys who ACTUALLY have FEMALE FRIENDS. And by female friends I mean that, FRIENDS WHO ARE WOMEN. Not fuck buddies, not lovers, not girlfriends, not wives. All the people you mentioned from the past have had sexual relationships with him at least once.

I don't know about Beta and Vanessa :ph34r:. I assume he hasn't touched those (but I would never put my hands on fire for this guy) because he considers them family. Kat and Melissa are women who work for him and I have no idea what he's done for them that it is so special, aside from hiring them? :shrugs:

I don't believe in their friendship because they got laid (maybe they still do) and so it is nothing pure like a real friendship. But assuming nowadays they don't sleep together then there's nothing for him to "make clear" among the other women.

Not even when he was publicly out with her in 2006 did he ever talked about her or introduced her as his girlfriend or official partner. I have always found that pretty bad for her and I have been wondering ever since about her self-esteem regarding that.

How could she accept to remain in the shadows as if he was ashamed of her or something.... No one knows what she is to him and most of the time she's regarded as nothing more than a sexual partner. It's been 10 years since she was first seen around him and she was never acknowledged any status of nothing.

The whole thing is utterly strange. He's been "single" forever and it seems she has not been dating anyone for a long time, yet they seem to hang out from time to time (Sasha was visiting L.A. back in December 2016) so I wonder how in the hell any of them would ever begin a relationship with someone new if they remain in contact for so long but at the same time pretend they are not together :shrugs:

I found this little piece on the Who's Dated Who website. It looks like she's dating someone. I have no idea what her relationship to Axl is these days if that's the case.

 

Also my apologies for showing her image. *Hides*

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21 minutes ago, killuridols said:

I have never seen Axl as one of those guys who ACTUALLY have FEMALE FRIENDS. And by female friends I mean that, FRIENDS WHO ARE WOMEN. Not fuck buddies, not lovers, not girlfriends, not wives. All the people you mentioned from the past have had sexual relationships with him at least once.

But how many grown men do you know who have actual true friends that are female? (who they don't want to screw.) I don't know of any. :shrugs: 

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2 minutes ago, Whiskey Rose said:

But how many grown men do you know who have actual true friends that are female? (who they don't want to screw.) I don't know of any. :shrugs: 

This,is weird,least is gay is rare

2 minutes ago, Whiskey Rose said:

But how many grown men do you know who have actual true friends that are female? (who they don't want to screw.) I don't know of any. :shrugs: 

This,is weird,least is gay is rare

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4 minutes ago, Whiskey Rose said:

But how many grown men do you know who have actual true friends that are female? (who they don't want to screw.) I don't know of any. :shrugs: 

I don't think it's that uncommon. The majority of my friends are men and it's strictly platonic.

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2 minutes ago, Whiskey Rose said:

But how many grown men do you know who have actual true friends that are female? (who they don't want to screw.) I don't know of any. :shrugs: 

This,is weird,least is gay is rare

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2 minutes ago, Whiskey Rose said:

But how many grown men do you know who have actual true friends that are female? (who they don't want to screw.) I don't know of any. :shrugs: 

I am and have been friends with most of my exboyfriends after we dated. I also have male friends that I never dated. I usually get along better with men than I do women...a lot less drama. It may be unusual, but I only have a few female friends and have always been that way. ?

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2 minutes ago, Whiskey Rose said:

But how many grown men do you know who have actual true friends that are female? (who they don't want to screw.) I don't know of any. :shrugs: 

This,is weird,least is gay is rare

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3 minutes ago, BlueJean Baby said:

I am and have been friends with most of my exboyfriends after we dated. I also have male friends that I never dated. I usually get along better with men than I do women...a lot less drama. It may be unusual, but I only have a few female friends and have always been that way. ?

I'm the same. I'm friends with all of my ex-boyfriend's except for one (granted, there's only 3 of them. :lol:) and I usually will have one close female friend and thats it. The rest are all men. :shrugs:

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