GNR Women's Discussion - Part 2

[money honey]

4 minutes ago, Andy14 said:

I usually use Photobucket, so maybe you can try it. (even though it gets on my nerves sometimes)

I hope to hear something more about your impression from the show and the guys . 

In the meanwhle:

I'm writing a 'report' as we speak... very hard to put it into words but I'll try!!

[BlueJean Baby]

1 hour ago, money honey said:

Can one of the aficionados here help me please? I just tried uploading my gig photos here using tinypic for the first time. After I copied the code from tiny pic into a new post and clicked Save, it just resulted in a box with a message in it saying 'Your picture has been moved or deleted'. 

Anyone know what I need to do??

I was using Tinypic all the time, but it has been having issues lately, you aren't doing anything wrong, it has been doing that on and off for about a week now. I also use postimage and imgur.

[killuridols]

6 hours ago, Frey said:

We all know Axl has done fucked up shit, but there's nothing wrong with also pointing out the good things he's done or areas where he has made progress and improved. No point in being overly negative about this, especially nowadays, when he seems to be doing so much better in various ways.

We have no fuckin' idea of which areas he has improved, except for talking to Slash and Duff again, reuniting with them and not being late to the shows anymore.

The rest is just wishful thinking and forced reading of situations that are normal to most human beings. The concept of friendship doesnt abound around here.

6 hours ago, Frey said:

I remember 2006, Axl was seen with a whole string of different women. It seemed like there was new one every other week. Sasha just seemed to be one of many back then. He never talked about or introduced Dyan O'Connor or whatever her name was either and he was seen with her multiple times as well. The only difference between Sasha and all these other chicks from 2006 is that Sasha stuck around for whatever reasons, while the others disappeared again from Axl's life.

She was the one who was with him the most, despite all the others you mention. I've seen one or two pictures of those women, going out with him for a night or two. While Sasha was his companion to most places, day and night.

Pictures like these show a much closer relationship between them than with the other women. I have never seen him holding hands publicly with other women (except his official gfs) like this before or after:

 

1 hour ago, money honey said:

Can one of the aficionados here help me please? I just tried uploading my gig photos here using tinypic for the first time. After I copied the code from tiny pic into a new post and clicked Save, it just resulted in a box with a message in it saying 'Your picture has been moved or deleted'. 

Anyone know what I need to do??

I think it is a tinypic error because 2 days ago I tried to use it and it kept saying my files couldn't be uploaded

 

Edited May 29, 2017 by killuridols

[Ratam]

1 hour ago, money honey said:

I'm writing a 'report' as we speak... very hard to put it into words but I'll try!!

"This is LOve"

[money honey]

OK here goes, my first original images on this forum, hope they're OK!

 

[Ratam]

1 hour ago, money honey said:

I'm writing a 'report' as we speak... very hard to put it into words but I'll try!!

"This is LOVE"

[killuridols]

Great pics @money honey!!!

You had a nice spot!!

[Tori72]

Those fotos are awesome, @money honey. Thanks for posting!

[Alja]

17 hours ago, Whiskey Rose said:

But how many grown men do you know who have actual true friends that are female? (who they don't want to screw.) I don't know of any.  

All my life I get on better with men than women. To have male friends depends on women`s attitude and behavior. I don`t care if they want to screw me or what they dream about or whatever, as long as they accept status quo. If we take in count that young men would screw everything with circulation... As a men friend you`ll get to know things you actually did never want to know. With good "mimicry" you find yourself in the middle of the boy squad debating another girl`s body with appreciation. You will dry male tears no your shoulder and discuss guy how to get his crush or how other women work. I like long talks with men, because they usually talk about more interesting things than gossip everything what moves. I get overdosed with estrogen so easy that I even visit toilets without another girl.  

My best, that soulmate friend is gay man. I know him more than half of my life but he went out of closet like two years ago, he was even dating women before that. There are girls easy to get if you want to play straight. With gays is also great that you can share your in awe for beauty of men, which you can mention in hetero-friendship, but not share the feeling. 

I have several "bromances" with not related straight men. Some men I just know for so long that sex would feel more like incest.

The factor needed to be count in friendship making potential is how much sex speaks to particular person. They will tell you that having sex is the best thing in all the universe (or restrict it so much you become curious). For some people having sex doesn`t work. They can make love with few people that attract them that way to enjoy it, but mostly having sex ends up in disappointment and having sex for having sex or having sex of desperation is best way to feel sucked out, dirty and disappointed. I am talking also about men. Sometimes you have core honest long night talks. 

As I am not typical woman and I tend to think "like a man", even with pure woman look, men way of thinking and argumentation works like a solid contraception. Guys will bitch about women behavior all day long, but that`s what they love.

17 hours ago, BlueJean Baby said:

I am and have been friends with most of my exboyfriends after we dated. I also have male friends that I never dated. I usually get along better with men than I do women...a lot less drama. It may be unusual, but I only have a few female friends and have always been that way. ?

Same here. My female friends are also women who get on better with men than rest of women. 

17 hours ago, BlueJean Baby said:

Same with me and none are gay. Also closer with male cousins than females ones. I am a girly type girl, not into guy things like fishing, camping, or things like that. I do enjoy watching sports on tv or listening to music or watching movies  with the guys though. I am not easily offended by what some girls would be when hanging around with guys. I always wear my makeup, high heels, etc., but am not into going shopping or gossiping with the girls. I have had one close female friend since high school, a few females that are more casual acquaintances.  Maybe from being closer to my dad growing up...who knows, but it works for me.

You, I like you. 

[dgnr]

Look at this hair. It looks like he has a bobby pin or something  
 

 

[killuridols]

29 minutes ago, dgnr said:

Look at this hair. It looks like he has a bobby pin or something  
 

That kinda looks nice!

A ponytail would look great on him.... but I think that bobby pin is just an illusion

 

[Alja]

41 minutes ago, dgnr said:

Look at this hair. It looks like he has a bobby pin or something  
 

 

Invisible bandana? Like, you know, after all that years hair got used how to look during concert and things...

[killuridols]

Guns N' Roses fans at Slane Castle, Slane, Co Meath. Picture Newsfile | Fran Caffrey

"Guns N' Roses fans"

 

[Frey]

@money honey Glad to hear you had a great time

 

6 hours ago, killuridols said:

We have no fuckin' idea of which areas he has improved, except for talking to Slash and Duff again, reuniting with them and not being late to the shows anymore.

The rest is just wishful thinking and forced reading of situations that are normal to most human beings. The concept of friendship doesnt abound around here.

Oh come on. There've been no instances of troubling behavior towards women for years (decades even) now. On the contrary, he's had steady, even loving or friendly relationships with all the women both in his private and professional life. And zero signs of questionable behavior from his more casual "encounters" with women either. And we would know about that, because women like Greice Santos would have told us all about it if there was anything to tell.

So until we see evidence suggesting otherwise, I'd say it's relatively safe to say he's come a long way and made some huge strides in this area as compared to his younger self.

And even apart from the women issue, he's improved a hell of a lot. When was the last instance of truly awful or whacky Axl behavior? 2006? That was 11 years ago. And even then it was under the influence of alcohol.

I can only make guesses as to why, but he has clearly changed for the better over the past years and decades. Obviously he's still struggling with some stuff (he seemed miserable and depressed a lot the past couple of years for example), but his most worrying traits seem to have mostly disappeared, thankfully.

 

6 hours ago, killuridols said:

She was the one who was with him the most, despite all the others you mention. I've seen one or two pictures of those women, going out with him for a night or two. While Sasha was his companion to most places, day and night.

Pictures like these show a much closer relationship between them than with the other women. I have never seen him holding hands publicly with other women (except his official gfs) like this before or after:

 

According to Google (and my memory), he was pretty touchy-feely with all these other women too:

 

I'll agree that he showed up with Sasha most often, but if Sasha was anything more than an escort or fuck buddy at that time (as you are suggesting), than I'm seriously surprised she'd be fine with the shit shown in the pictures above. But maybe they had an open relationship or something. Who the fuck knows

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 29, 2017 by Frey

[MillionsOfSpiders]

Andrei always looks so gormless. 

[Ratam]

6 hours ago, money honey said:

OK here goes, my first original images on this forum, hope they're OK!

 

Beautiful image and castle?

[MillionsOfSpiders]

Looks more like a stately home than a castle ?

[Ratam]

2 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Looks more like a stately home than a castle ?

You know much, in England have many castles?

16 minutes ago, Frey said:

@money honey Glad to hear you had a great time

 

Oh come on. There've been no instances of troubling behavior towards women for years (decades even) now. On the contrary, he's had steady, even loving or friendly relationships with all the women both in his private and professional life. And zero signs of questionable behavior from his more casual "encounters" with women either. And we would know about that, because women like Greice Santos would have told us all about it if there was anything to tell.

So until we see evidence suggesting otherwise, I'd say it's relatively safe to say he's come a long way and made some huge strides in this area as compared to his younger self.

And even apart from the women issue, he's improved a hell of a lot. When was the last instance of truly awful or whacky Axl behavior? 2006? That was 11 years ago. And even then it was under the influence of alcohol.

I can only make guesses as to why, but he has clearly changed for the better over the past years and decades. Obviously he's still struggling with some stuff (he seemed miserable and depressed a lot the past couple of years for example), but his most worrying traits seem to have mostly disappeared, thankfully.

 

 

According to Google (and my memory), he was pretty touchy-feely with all these other women too:

 

I'll agree that he showed up with Sasha most often, but if Sasha was anything more than an escort or fuck buddy at that time (as you are suggesting), than I'm seriously surprised she'd be fine with the shit shown in the pictures above. But maybe they had an open relationship or something. Who the fuck knows

 

 

 

 

 

I said open relationship,sure

[killuridols]

2 minutes ago, Frey said:

Oh come on. There've been no instances of troubling behavior towards women for years (decades even) now. On the contrary, he's had steady, even loving or friendly relationships with all the women both in his private and professional life. And zero signs of questionable behavior from his more casual "encounters" with women either. And we would know about that, because women like Greice Santos would have told us all about it if there was anything to tell.

So until we see evidence suggesting otherwise, I'd say it's relatively safe to say he's come a long way and made some huge strides in this area as compared to his younger self.

And even apart from the women issue, he's improved a hell of a lot. When was the last instance of truly awful or whacky Axl behavior? 2006? That was 11 years ago. And even then it was under the influence of alcohol.

I can only make guesses as to why, but he has clearly changed for the better over the past years and decades. Obviously he's still struggling with some stuff (he seemed miserable and depressed a lot the past couple of years for example), but his most worrying traits seem to have mostly disappeared, thankfully.

I didn't mean that he's been bad to women lately.... I'm just saying we don't know about that, either good or bad, we don't know anything because he's chosen to keep his private life... private, lol-

2006 last year he misbehaved?

No, sir. There's still the L.A.X. incident with paparazzi in late 2009 and I remember in 2011, in Rosario, he was pretty mad at someone when he arrived to the airport. Then in 2012, he had that model stealing his jewelry and he was getting late to the shows probably until 2014.

It is not been a long time since he was acting like an asshole.... just like people don't give credit to Steven about his sobriety, I'm not sure about giving a lot of credit to Axl about his tamed self. I think his hands and feet are tied with multimillionaire contracts that will send him straight to bankruptcy if he breaks any of them. And I'm 1000% sure TB are working their asses off so that nothing goes wrong for him so he doesn't have any reasons to flip out.

19 minutes ago, Frey said:

According to Google (and my memory), he was pretty touchy-feely with all these other women too:

I'll agree that he showed up with Sasha most often, but if Sasha was anything more than en escort or fuck buddy at that time (as you are suggesting), than I'm seriously surprised she'd be fine with the shit shown in the pictures above. But maybe they had an open relationship or something. Who the fuck knows

Those are the pics I was talking about before and to me they just show he was out with that woman a couple nights and no more.

I think Sasha had accepted the terms of their relationship while she was more steady with him. It is obvious she did and this is no strange Axl behavior. He wanted to have the same with Erin, actually, he cheated on Erin more than on anyone else and she knew about it. Not that she was fine with it but there was nothing she could do.

Things with Seymour were the same and she had her own flings as well. Hypocritical as it sounds, Axl had trouble accepting this and he had to rant about it at the shows

So basically, that's the way he is and women who want something serious with him have to accept him like that. Apparently, no one has been able to deal with that shit for too long.

 

[Lumikki]

@money honey Slane seems to have been an amazing show. You're one lucky girl

 

14 hours ago, Frey said:

23 hours ago, Whiskey Rose said:

I agree with this, a good friend of mine cannot fully express her love in a verbal, demonstrative way either...even to her own immediate family..so she shows it by feeding people..Sounds weird i know, but the more she cares for you, the more food she piles your way .. sounds like Axl is similar in the way he expresses his feelings...

I actually know a lot of people like this. Not necesssarily about the food (though that too ), but people who try to show their love and affection in alternative ways in general. It seems to be very common among people in Axl's generation and older. I guess because many of them still grew up in very repressed or "emotionally constipated" environments.

On 28.5.2017 at 10:44 PM, Tori72 said:

On 28.5.2017 at 10:10 PM, Frey said:

Ultimately, I think it comes down to what Doug Goldstein, Beta and Slash all have either said or at least alluded to: Axl doesn't really know how to express love and affection (or at least he didn't really know how to do so back in the day) and so he makes up for it by throwing tons of presents, money and opportunities at people he likes. Or writes songs/holds speaches about these people. "Grand gestures", Slash once called it when talking about this and I think he was spot on.

Totalle agree,  I think that's what it comes down to. 

22 hours ago, Blackstar said:

And this, if it's really the case, doesn't have to do with whether Axl has been affectionate to women specifically, it's about him and people in general.

I remember Pamela Manning saying that Axl didn't forget about her when he became successful, but he "took care of" her. I assume that by "taking care of" she meant that he helped her financially. He probably did the same with other people from their circle in the early days, both men and women. Also, talking about Axl giving presents: Courtney Love is not a very reliable source, but she has said that Axl bought Corvettes for all the stripper girls when he made money.

I agree with you guys, but I do think Axl probably has made some progress in showing his affection or love in other ways as well. Meaning in ways that aren't necessarily material or financial. I wouldn't have described him as a cuddly guy back in the day (well, except with Slash maybe ), but nowadays he does appear quite touchy-feely (thanks @Frey lol) and even sweet-natured at times. He's probably become better at putting things into words too.

When Doug Goldstein, Beta and Slash said these things they were taking about Axl in the 80s and early 90s. Slash was recounting an incident from the mid 80s; Dougie talked about how Axl loved/loves Slash, Izzy and Duff so incredibly much, but he was just really, really shitty at showing it and letting them know back then.

Beta talked about Axl being all awkward about physical affection when she came into his life, said he wasn't used to all the hugging and kissing that was common in their family because he never received good night kisses as a child or something. And about how Axl wanted to learn to give and receive love. And I think she also said something about how one of the reasons for him wanting a child was his desire to love someone unconditionally.

But Beta also said that Axl had gotten much better at this kind of thing (showing love and affection) and was used to it now ("now" being 2001 or so when these weird interviews took place). And I think it shows. Nowadays even more so than back in 2001 or 2006 (I'm often struck by how radically different Axl seems to his younger self and I'm not talking about his looks here).

Basically, I think by the early 90s, Axl was very aware that he was severely lacking in the "communicating to people that you love them and care for them" department and like many other things about himself he wanted to change it. And I'll admit I do think he probably learned a lot from Beta and her family in this regard. If I were forced to say one good thing about TB, it'd probably be that I'm glad for all the cuddles and kisses they bestowed upon him, even though I'm not fond of many of the long-term consequences all that bonding brought with it.

2 hours ago, Alja said:

All my life I get on better with men than women. To have male friends depends on women`s attitude and behavior. I don`t care if they want to screw me or what they dream about or whatever, as long as they accept status quo. If we take in count that young men would screw everything with circulation... As a men friend you`ll get to know things you actually did never want to know. With good "mimicry" you find yourself in the middle of the boy squad debating another girl`s body with appreciation. You will dry male tears no your shoulder and discuss guy how to get his crush or how other women work. I like long talks with men, because they usually talk about more interesting things than gossip everything what moves. I get overdosed with estrogen so easy that I even visit toilets without another girl.  

My best, that soulmate friend is gay man. I know him more than half of my life but he went out of closet like two years ago, he was even dating women before that. There are girls easy to get if you want to play straight. With gays is also great that you can share your in awe for beauty of men, which you can mention in hetero-friendship, but not share the feeling. 

I have several "bromances" with not related straight men. Some men I just know for so long that sex would feel more like incest.

The factor needed to be count in friendship making potential is how much sex speaks to particular person. They will tell you that having sex is the best thing in all the universe (or restrict it so much you become curious). For some people having sex doesn`t work. They can make love with few people that attract them that way to enjoy it, but mostly having sex ends up in disappointment and having sex for having sex or having sex of desperation is best way to feel sucked out, dirty and disappointed. I am talking also about men. Sometimes you have core honest long night talks. 

As I am not typical woman and I tend to think "like a man", even with pure woman look, men way of thinking and argumentation works like a solid contraception. Guys will bitch about women behavior all day long, but that`s what they love.

 

Sorry, but this post is so full of toxic and misogynist nonsense I just had to comment on it. This whole "I'm not like the other girls, I'm different than all the other boring, superficial girls, so I only hang out with guys, because guys are more interesting" shit needs to stop.

1) Men are not more interesting to hang out with than women because just like men, all women are different and have different personalities and interests. Not all women are vapid idiots who only care about gossip, shoes and make-up or whatever you're implying here.

2) And even if a woman is into stuff that is typically considered feminine, so what? There is nothing wrong with that. You're perpetuating a value judgment here that is rooted in patriarchic society where everything male is normal and good and everything female is automatically inferior and less valuable therefore.

3) Having male friends is nothing to be proud of and certainly not something you need to change your "attitude and behavior" for. You either have male friends because your life circumstances worked out that way or you don't.

This post, combined with your other recent (and severely fucked up) posts about domestic violence here in this thread makes me think you suffer from a huge amount of internalized misogyny or something. Please inform yourself some more on these subjects, if only for your own sake. It's disconcerting to see so much negativity towards women from someone who is a woman herself.

 

 

Edited May 29, 2017 by Lumikki

[money honey]

My Slane story. Hope you guys enjoy it!

 

Everyone in Ireland knows two things about rock concerts at Slane Castle: the road in is long and slow, and the road back out is interminable.

By May 27^th 2017, I wasn't bothered by the prospect of a long day; I had already waited 30 years. That's how long it had been since – as an awkward, uncertain twelve-year-old school girl who spent her weekdays in a convent school uniform and weekends watching music videos – I first saw Guns n' Roses explode onto the TV screen in the corner of my parents' kitchen in our bungalow in South-East Ireland, in the video to 'Sweet child o' mine'.

Fast-forward to the moment last Saturday when I stood at the edge of the stage in Slane, soaked to the skin from earlier in the day when we queued as early as possible in torrential rain to make sure of a spot at the front. After standing for nine and a half hours, I watched Axl, Duff and Slash stroll out in front of 80,000 people like it was no big deal. Tears welled in my eyes. I looked at my husband beside me in disbelief. It was really happening. Guns were back in Ireland. They weren't on a screen or a page; they were ten feet away from me.

Stupid as it sounds, it blew me away that they were real people. When you read about a band or watch their videos, there's a tiny bit of your brain that suspects it might be all be fake. Maybe they're actors. Or maybe they're hamming it up. When the makers of the music you have listened to and related to for decades suddenly appear in front of you, it messes with your mind. They're flesh and blood. They're real.

It was around 7:30 PM, still daylight, when they came on. We could see them in the flesh with no fancy lighting effects. Their skin has wrinkles and rolls. Their hair is a bit thinner than they would probably like. They stride rather than sprint around the stage. They are real people who somehow managed to come together when they were barely adults and create music that becomes more timeless with each passing year.

And how clear that is from the crowd. Everyone around me knew all the words – and I mean not just to the hits, but the B-sides and lesser-known album tracks as well. People joyously shouted out song titles with the opening notes. Right from the irresistibly brattish nastiness of the opening song, 'It's so easy', the crowd was going wild.

Axl came over to our side of the stage for part of 'Estranged'. I looked up at him and listened to the lyrics I had heard so many times before. I wondered how someone can repeat such painful words so many years after a loss. Would he rather never sing the song again? Has he been able to distance himself emotionally from the subject matter? After all these years, is it just words?

'Welcome to the jungle' is a weird one. When it was released back in 1987, it did OK, but didn't set the world on fire. It's hard to understand now how anyone wouldn't be entranced and intoxicated by Slash's jagged, echoey, menacing opening riff. Since then, 'Jungle' has become Guns' calling card, a rallying cry for the disaffected and delusional.

We went insane.

Duff, Slash and Axl seemed to lap up our insanity. Axl said, 'Look at all you Irish motherfuckers'. We went even more insane.

As we moved through the set, something became apparent to me. 'Chinese Democracy' songs are meant to be performed live. They are fantastic. 'There was a time', 'This I love' and 'Chinese Democracy' itself – all sounded markedly more rocking and energetic than the recorded versions. Since I came home, I'm listening to this album with new ears.

About seven minutes in, security staff hauled out a man and a woman through the crowd to the ground in front of the barrier. Paramedics appeared in seconds and the woman was stretchered off, the man staggering along beside her. A bit later on, I heard mutterings from a huddle of security guards by the stage. They pushed through and a woman was escorted away. I have no idea why. The stern-faced head of security issued warnings a few times to individuals in the seething crowd. Although I was right up the front, clinging to the barrier, wedged in by people behind and beside me, I felt fine; I didn't feel any sense of danger.

I was on Duff's side of the stage. He is one cool dude. He's a born rocker with punk flowing in his veins. He is completely in control, completely aware all the time on stage, making eye contact with the audience, keeping an eye on his band mates, his rumbling bass line note perfect. Axl introduced him as “your fellow Irishman” and he sang 'New Rose', a fabulously punky number that contrasted nicely with the rest of the set. His voice is pleasingly unpolished, “raw and fucked up” as he would say himself. His body is lean and muscly, a testament to his teetotal, healthy, active lifestyle, and his face is fabulously lined, each furrow hiding a story.

Slash is the embodiment of music. When he plays, his body contorts and bends with the notes. His fingers writhe and slide. His hair moves with the breeze, his eyes blank behind sunglasses. He doesn't need to do anything but play. Slash is guitar; his place in rock music history is assured.

At this gig, the gold circle at the front was divided into two side-by-side sections, with no option to move between them. This meant that I didn't see as much of Slash as I would have liked, although he did make forays to our side of the stage. It was a pity to be restricted like this; apparently it is not the case at other shows on this tour.

Daylight faded and the band rocked on. A grand piano rose up out of the stage for Axl for 'November rain', then disappeared again. Axl's voice rings out like a tightly controlled instrument. It can scream as convincingly as it can lull. His phrasing is perfect, his articulation as crisp as ever. His inspired lyrics to 'Nightrain' ring out as clear as day. 'Rattlesnake suitcase' is an unforgettable phrase and he snaps it out with as much vengeance as he must have done as a twentysomething urchin in the clubs of 1980s Hollywood.

Nobody panics when the band leaves the stage. It's the internet age, we all know they'll be back for four more songs or so. When they return, it's to treat us to 'The seeker', a song I've only heard once or twice. The crowd around me laps it up.

Someone tells me later that people farther back started leaving before the encore to “beat the traffic”. We waited 25 years for Guns n' Roses to return to Ireland, and there were many years when it seemed an impossible prospect. Who comes to a gig like this to leave before every last note has rung out, every last breath heaved, every last drop of sweat shed?

The sky is completely dark now and the realisation that the band is about to leave sets in. The first notes of 'Paradise city' twang through the air. The roar that rises up from the vast mass of bodies is unbelievable. If joy has a sound, this is it.

When Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy and Steven created those lyrics and that music, they were writing about themselves back in LA in the early 80s, street rats living off their talent and their wits, scraping and scrounging to get through each day so they could fulfill their vision of how rock music should sound. Here, thirty years later, on a vast stage beside a castle nestled in a valley in Ireland, they are twice triumphant, conquering the world for the second time, the embodiment of grit, graft, tenacity and pure, blazing talent.

They fling guitar picks and drumsticks into the crowd and they are gone.

My husband and I trudged through the mud, trying to avoid crashing into other concertgoers, skidding on discarded rain ponchos, gazing around at the sea of rubbish and pools of rain that cover the huge hillside that is Slane Castle concert venue. It looks amazing, but it's a fucking ridiculous place for a rock concert. I get the feeling it's more for the musicians than the attendees – it must be cool to play here, when you get helicoptered in, slip off stage to a comfortable backstage room with sofas and warm drinks, and helicopter off again. I imagine rockers telling each other, “Yeah, we played Slane Castle. Natural amphitheatre. Green, rolling valley. Beautiful place.”

It's a nightmare. The exits are narrow and the crowd moves with painful slowness. We walk for an hour to get to our car, and we were among the lucky ones; people in other car parks sit in their cars for hours before being able to exit. It's only worth it for Guns n' Roses, and I will only go back if they do.

Being home after the gig is strange. I feel different. I'm happier. Three people whom I have never met, whose music has played a huge role in my life, have become real to me. I have to say another stupid-sounding thing: life will never be the same again.

[janrichmond]

34 minutes ago, Lumikki said:

Sorry, but this post is so full of toxic and misogynist nonsense I just had to comment on it. This whole "I'm not like the other girls, I'm different than all the other boring, superficial girls, so I only hang out with guys, because guys are more interesting" shit needs to stop.

1) Men are not more interesting to hang out with than women because just like men, all women are different and have different personalities and interests. Not all women are vapid idiots who only care about gossip, shoes and make-up or whatever you're implying here.

2) And even if a woman is into stuff that is typically considered feminine, so what? There is nothing wrong with that. You're perpetuating a value judgment here that is rooted in patriarchic society where everything male is normal and good and everything female is automatically inferior and less valuable therefore.

3) Having male friends is nothing to be proud of and certainly not something you need to change your "attitude and behavior" for. You either have male friends because your life circumstances worked out that way or you don't.

This post, combined with your other recent (and severely fucked up) posts about domestic violence here in this thread makes me think you suffer from a huge amount of internalized misogyny or something. Please inform yourself some more on these subjects, if only for your own sake. It's disconcerting to see so much negativity towards women from someone who is a woman herself.

 

Well said @Lumikki you put into words exactly what i was thinking. Very eloquent, i'd just up saying 'fuck off' and not get my point across.

[Alja]

48 minutes ago, Lumikki said:

Sorry, but this post is so full of toxic and misogynist nonsense I just had to comment on it. This whole "I'm not like the other girls, I'm different than all the other boring, superficial girls, so I only hang out with guys, because guys are more interesting" shit needs to stop.

1) Men are not more interesting to hang out with than women because just like men, all women are different and have different personalities and interests. Not all women are vapid idiots who only care about gossip, shoes and make-up or whatever you're implying here.

2) And even if a woman is into stuff that is typically considered feminine, so what? There is nothing wrong with that. You're perpetuating a value judgment here that is rooted in patriarchic society where everything male is normal and good and everything female is automatically inferior and less valuable therefore.

3) Having male friends is nothing to be proud of and certainly not something you need to change your "attitude and behavior" for. You either have male friends because your life circumstances worked out that way or you don't.

This post, combined with your other recent (and severely fucked up) posts about domestic violence here in this thread makes me think you suffer from a severe amount of internalized misogyny or something. Please inform yourself some more on these subjects, if only for your own sake. It's disconcerting to see so much negativity towards women from someone who is a woman herself.

You obviously never met really misogynist men. Try like... good patriotic fathers of their godly families, who cannot use their brains but will mock you just because you have pussy and you are supposed to be submissive and glory their bullshit because they have cock. 

You are lucky girl that you fit. To fit is not compulsory and sometimes not possible.

They tried to put me in girls collectives, but it always ended up like pushing square peg through round hole. Everyone suffered. I found out that I am happy with guys and it works so I hang out with guys. Or other not fitting girls. Most girls don`t hang out with me often, too. I am weirdo and I poorly recognize people and have no sense of maintaining women relationships that most women around me maintain. Too complicated and when I am accidentally involved, sick. Sugar coated shit. Or poison. Women tend to be backstabbing more often than men. I like open fights, if I have to fight. Basically, most of men really will respect borders you set them and if you are get used to communicate straight, it works (in my experience). That`s the attitude I was talking about. 

I`ve never said I don`t do any feminine stuff or that it`s inferior. It`s just nothing for me mostly. 

You know, I did some work to find out who I am. Yes, I understand men in a way women usually don`t and if that makes me misogynist, I feel proud misogynist. 

Edited May 29, 2017 by Alja

[MillionsOfSpiders]

I do believe Axl has tried really hard to make himself a better person, but JFC, whenever there is a new thread started about him on here I still take a really deep breath when opening it  Kind of like 'oh god, what's he been doing now!'  Luckily, the only really twattish thing I can think of recently has been him trying to remove 'Sweet Pie O Mine' from the Internet. 

@money honey Thank you for such a great read! Loved it, makes me really look forward to London 1&2 

[janrichmond]

@money honey Wow!! Your review makes me excited for London now. So happy for ya! Are you a writer because that is an excellent bit of work.