GNR Women's Discussion - Part 2

[Blackstar 8,101]

28 minutes ago, killuridols said:

While I was reading some of those interviews links you posted the other day (about TIL) I got hooked on re-reading more than I was meant to do and in one of them he says he wants to bury AFD (this is pre-UYI) and that he doesn't feel like singing about bars, hookers, drugs and the filthy life anymore. That he wanted to evolve with the songs, the sound and the lyrics because Guns N' Roses was something like a living entity.

Of course he must be proud of all the albums he's made but AFD is the kind of album he said that could not be replicated and didn't want to make again.

Yes, but with all that he didn't mean that he didn't like it. He's said that he didn't want to sing about a lifestyle that he wasn't into any more and also that the album couldn't be replicated both for this reason and because it was perfect for what it was and it couldn't be outdone (and this is true). And he's been consistent in this regard, ie. evolution, since as early as 1987, before even AFD became successful (he said he understood older musicians that changed their musical direction).

[killuridols 8,124]

6 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Yes, but with all that he didn't mean that he didn't like it. He's said that he didn't want to sing about a lifestyle that he wasn't into any more and also that the album couldn't be replicated both for this reason and because it was perfect for what it was and it couldn't be outdone (and this is true). And he's been consistent in this regard, ie. evolution, since as early as 1987, before even AFD became successful (he said he understood older musicians that changed their musical direction).

And I didn't say he didn't like it either...... When I said he "hates" it, I mean that he's fed up and tired of it and don't want to show any special feelings for it.

There's a reason why he said last year he likes singing the CD songs better than the rest. But one thing is what he wants and another the sad truth.

[Blackstar 8,101]

20 minutes ago, killuridols said:

There's a reason why he said last year he likes singing the CD songs better than the rest. But one thing is what he wants and another the sad truth.

Singing CD songs with Slash playing them is new to him and I think this is the main reason he likes them more. He also said he enjoyed singing Coma (apparently because he hadn't done that since the 90s, so it was kind of new to him as well).

But I also think that CD is still an "unfinished business" for him in the sense that he believes the songs are good and he wants them to be accepted by the fans, especially in the US. This is how he thinks; before the Illusions were released he said that even if they didn't sell, some day years later people would discover them and appreciate them; in 2011 he told Eddie Trunk that CD would find its way with the public - and probably he sees this tour as the last chance for it to happen.

This matter doesn't have to do with AFD though.

Edited July 21, 2017 by Blackstar

[purplestargirl 917]

3 hours ago, Georgina Arriaga said:

The press reviews were very good

https://www.villagevoice.com/2017/07/21/guns-n-roses-celebrate-30-years-of-appetite-for-destruction-at-the-apollo-theater/

http://www.vulture.com/2017/07/guns-n-roses-live-at-the-apollo-review.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/music/2017/07/21/guns-n-roses-30th-anniversary-show-ny/498590001/

And Spin has a little recount of an interview made in 1988

http://www.spin.com/2017/07/guns-n-roses-appetite-for-destruction-1988-profile/

“Slash and I almost got arrested in Seattle,” adds Duff. “We went back there for a little vacation, we were going to burn some bar down. Then on the way back to L.A., we were drunker than shit, and we sat next to this kindergarten teacher on the plane. First she told us to calm down. Then she pulled out this book she wrote called From A to Z, and she read it to us, and drew pictures for us. By the end of the flight we were so tranquil, we went right to sleep.”

 

So drunk rock stars are like rambunctious five-year-olds. That's giving me some adorable imagery in my head right now.

 

2 hours ago, Andy14 said:

Small stage is great for Axl, Slash simply can't escape 

Anyway, Axl's holding them both 

Duff's giving Axl the side-eye in the second picture. It's a threesome he does not want to be apart of.  

[Andy14 9,177]

And a bit of failed Slaxl

[purplestargirl 917]

1 hour ago, Andy14 said:

And a bit of failed Slaxl

Poor Axl although it does look like he stroked Slash's arm all the way down.

[money honey 669]

I just want to say because this is the only place I can say it... Happy AFD30 day to everyone.

I've been a bit emotionally wobbly all day. For three reasons...

One, it's the thirtieth anniversary of the release of the best album in the history of rock and - for me personally - a monumental event that has sustained me though many years of shit - and I couldn't find any decent way to celebrate today. A tribute band is playing in Dublin's main rock club tonight but I didn't want to spend tonight listening to an imitation of my band, no matter how good. None of my friends are into GNR like I am, so I had no option of meeting up with anyone like-minded. (My friends all think it's weird for a 40+ woman.)

So how did I celebrate? My OH and I toasted to Appetite after dinner and I listened to some of the songs in my car. That's it. 

Two, I was a confused, restricted little girl 30 years ago with only a head full of dreams to sustain me. Some stuff I have sorted out and I'm mostly really lucky with how my life has been. I've fulfilled some of my dreams, which is awesome. But it's been a pretty tame life. I've still never met any of my rock heroes, despite being 10 feet from Axl in Slane.  

Three, like many others have commented already, the Apollo 'anniversary' show in NY seems to have been nothing special (in the content of NITL tour), just the Big Three. Of course it's awesome that they're playing together again at all (how our expectations grow!) ... but Appetite deserved more. At least a show on the Strip rather than NY which is not hugely significant in the history of the band or AFD, more original members, the band and Axl making more of a thing of the anniversary at the show... this has all been commented on already so I'll leave it there.

Oh, another thing bothering me is that I would love to keep with with this thread every day and join in all the real-time chatting. My life is just too busy (for good reasons of course - family, work)... I can only join in when I can. For example I missed most of the reports from other EU folks about their shows (London, Vienna, Prague etc.) where I gather lots of mind-blowing stuff happened including MEETING THE BAND and I missed it... I can only hope I find some time to go back, find that stuff and read it... 

Sorry for this ridiculous rambling rubbish... over and out.

[dgnr 4,815]

2 hours ago, Andy14 said:

And a bit of failed Slaxl

Hahaha Poor Axl, man, really. He can't help himself, but the idiot keeps escaping him 

Edited July 21, 2017 by dgnr

[purplestargirl 917]

1 hour ago, dgnr said:

Hahaha Poor Axl, man, really. He can't help himself, but the idiot keeps escaping him 

Someone should lock those two in a closest together, that way Slash can't escape Axl.

[killuridols 8,124]

46 minutes ago, money honey said:

Oh, another thing bothering me is that I would love to keep with with this thread every day and join in all the real-time chatting. My life is just too busy (for good reasons of course - family, work)... I can only join in when I can. For example I missed most of the reports from other EU folks about their shows (London, Vienna, Prague etc.) where I gather lots of mind-blowing stuff happened including MEETING THE BAND and I missed it... I can only hope I find some time to go back, find that stuff and read it... 

Im sorry about that! The only solution I can think of is if @Frey  could index the reviews on the first page so that you could catch up on that at least. Maybe the girls who went to the EU shows could help Frey by sending him the links to the page where they posted the review so he doesnt have to waste time looking for that 

[Rocketqueen76 1,122]

20 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Is it the next Axl Rose disaster yet? I can't be bothered with the show thread, Ive already seen there's a few out there who actively want Axl to be bad and would love it if he is tonight. 

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Happy Birthday @Rocketqueen76 Nice to see you back here 

Thank you 

[marlingrl03 9,632]

Blurry...but here is a pic of Joe and the mic.

[marlingrl03 9,632]

Better pic!

[Ratam 3,409]

1 hour ago, marlingrl03 said:

Blurry...but here is a pic of Joe and the mic.

Sorry Joe ¿who??

[marlingrl03 9,632]

26 minutes ago, Ratam said:

Sorry Joe ¿who??

He is an actor here in the US. 

[Georgina Arriaga 1,890]

I just have my AFD celebration....hear the album form start to finish with wine and husband....what a fucking masterpiece!

[Ratam 3,409]

14 minutes ago, marlingrl03 said:

He is an actor here in the US. 

Thanks,but last name? Maybe be   well know in others country

[marlingrl03 9,632]

18 minutes ago, Ratam said:

Thanks,but last name? Maybe be   well know in others country

Of course! Joe Manganiello and he is married to Sofia Vergara.

[Ratam 3,409]

13 minutes ago, marlingrl03 said:

Of course! Joe Manganiello and he is married to Sofia Vergara.

Ok, she is well know, he not much thanks ☺

[Natty 640]

Hi as my birthday is 21 st July I celebrated afd at home with some songs at high volume while hanging out in the garden with my daughter. In the evening I put on my Gnr shirt and we were invited to friends who made a cool and relaxed bday party for me 

I was sad to hear that the apollo show had nothing to do with afd 5 

Have a nice day everyone

[marlingrl03 9,632]

1 hour ago, Natty said:

Hi as my birthday is 21 st July I celebrated afd at home with some songs at high volume while hanging out in the garden with my daughter. In the evening I put on my Gnr shirt and we were invited to friends who made a cool and relaxed bday party for me 

I was sad to hear that the apollo show had nothing to do with afd 5 

Have a nice day everyone

Sounds like a lovely way to spend your bday evening! Happy birthday!!!!! ???

 

[Tori72 5,058]

Kerrang 2017:

Unfortunately you can't read all of it. Found it on https://katyaani.tumblr.com.  What do you think?

 

 

 

 

 

 

(Gotta LOVE Izzy here! lol)

Edited July 22, 2017 by Tori72

[Frey 2,254]

The new pictures here (or different versions of pictures we already know) are definitely cool.

(That's all I can say until I actually find the time to read this lol).

Thanks for sharing @Tori72

[Georgina Arriaga 1,890]

@Tori72 thanks for sharing!!

Some more reviews from the Apollo

http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/7873976/guns-n-roses-apollo-theater-siriusxm

http://www.stereogum.com/1953433/guns-n-roses-play-an-epic-set-at-the-apollo-as-appetite-for-destruction-turns-30/franchises/sounding-board/

And this article in Billboard contain some new quotes of people from those days:

http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/7873768/guns-n-roses-appetite-for-destruction-oral-history

Quote

These days, the newly-ish reunited GNR lineup -- featuring guitarist Slash, bassist Duff McKagan, minus classic lineup members drummer Steven Adler and guitarist Izzy Stradlin -- don’t presently give interviews. There are rumblings that Rose instituted a NDA/letter from a lawyer strongly encouraging members, as well as numerous former associates, not to speak about the band.

I don't get this part...I understand that they don't want to dig about the reconciliation, but why not interviews telling the reconciliation part is out?   Axl is bording on paranoia here, if this is true.

 

[Frey 2,254]

19 hours ago, Georgina Arriaga said:

And Spin has a little recount of an interview made in 1988

http://www.spin.com/2017/07/guns-n-roses-appetite-for-destruction-1988-profile/

“Slash and I almost got arrested in Seattle,” adds Duff. “We went back there for a little vacation, we were going to burn some bar down. Then on the way back to L.A., we were drunker than shit, and we sat next to this kindergarten teacher on the plane. First she told us to calm down. Then she pulled out this book she wrote called From A to Z, and she read it to us, and drew pictures for us. By the end of the flight we were so tranquil, we went right to sleep.”

 

This deserves more attention because it is hilarious

Axl was clearly right when he said they'd need a child psychiatrist. Or at least a kindergarten teacher, as it seems.

 

13 hours ago, killuridols said:

Im sorry about that! The only solution I can think of is if @Frey  could index the reviews on the first page so that you could catch up on that at least. Maybe the girls who went to the EU shows could help Frey by sending him the links to the page where they posted the review so he doesnt have to waste time looking for that 

I was planning on indexing these anyway. I want to go through the past 100 pages or so of this thread and index everything of importance. I only need to find the time to do so lol.

 

17 hours ago, Blackstar said:

Singing CD songs with Slash playing them is new to him and I think this is the main reason he likes them more. He also said he enjoyed singing Coma (apparently because he hadn't done that since the 90s, so it was kind of new to him as well).

But I also think that CD is still an "unfinished business" for him in the sense that he believes the songs are good and he wants them to be accepted by the fans, especially in the US. This is how he thinks; before the Illusions were released he said that even if they didn't sell, some day years later people would discover them and appreciate them; in 2011 he told Eddie Trunk that CD would find its way with the public - and probably he sees this tour as the last chance for it to happen.

This matter doesn't have to do with AFD though.

I also think singing CD songs (and Coma) is probably less boring to him than singing the AFD songs for the millionth time. And I can't really blame him, even I feel bored by AFD by now and I don't have to sing these songs every other night.

And I think there's also this point I just made over in the Izzy thread

1 hour ago, Frey said:

I disagree about Axl having lost his passion for music. I just think he'd rather be making and playing very different music nowadays. I think his China Exchange comments about movie scores were very telling. And if you listen to CD without Axl's singing, a lot of the songs on that album could easily be the background sountrack for big, melodramatic movies.

Duff was forced to put in the effort in the past, because compared to Axl and Slash, he was in a much worse position when it comes to publicity and relevance.

And as for Slash, Slash is the guy who back in the early 90s according to Alan Niven said "I'll do whatever it takes to keep this thing going and to keep the money rolling in. I don't wanna end up as a starving artist like my father." I paraphrased, but that was the gist of it and it tells all you need to know about where Slash is coming from. Also, Slash has said many times that he doesn't actually like doing interviews and PR work and only does it because he has to to sell his music, so he's probably pretty thrilled to rake in millions without having to do any of that nowadays.

To be honest, I wouldn't mind if Axl went off to do some big, epic movie scores after this whole NITL tour is over. He's good at that kind of thing and I'd definitely be more interested in hearing that than in some Axl/Angus fake ACDC album.

(Obviously, I'd prefer a new GNR record over everything else, but if we don't get that, then...)

 

I also agree about CD being unfinished business for Axl. Axl appears to be a big believer in shoving things down people's throats until they do like it.* Apart from the UYI thing you mentioned, Axl also applied the "Make them like it"-strategy to AFD and was successfull with that. He even gave that advice to Baz, iirc. So it wouldn't surprise me if he was still trying to achieve something similar with CD.

*One can't help but wonder if Axl was forced to eat things he didn't like a lot as a child. I have a friend whose parents forced him (and me when I was over )  to eat veggies, fish and other stuff he didn't like. And by "forced" I mean made him eat it, even though he'd throw it back up again a few moments later. It was ugly to watch and frankly I think it was child abuse. As an adult, this guy is now similarly tenacous and persistent as Axl and also keeps pestering people about shit they're not interested in until they give in.

(That was my armchair psychology contribution for the day).