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13 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

One of those Internet stalkers made death threats to Meegan. Just so people don't think they are random over the top fans that she should just learn to tolerate.

Death threats! 

It is seriously disgusting how someone can but death threats against a person. Hopefully the person posting such despicable thing will be investigated. 

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6 hours ago, killuridols said:

IMO, she cares because she knows her kids read it and that these lunatics attack them kids whenever they have the opportunity (like that HankySpanky person who bashed a picture of Lucy in Grace's profile). Also, I think she knows many of these profiles are linked to Perla and she may think it is Perla herself doing it, therefore she's decided to go one-on-one with her and confront her instead of shutting down.

I totally understand her. Maybe it is not the best method. But when you ignore someone who continually bashes you and harasses you, they will think it is their right to bash and harass and that if she doesn't want this to happen she has to either block them everytime or lock herself behind a private account. I'm sure Meegan believes in her freedom and right to have an open profile and that it is the crazy people who have to stay away and learn that she's not going nowhere. That they must give up with all the harassing. After all, it's been four years since she's been in a relationship with Slash...... how much longer can this bashing continue? :shrugs:

What you say seems logical to adult people without mental issues, but many of those accounts are run by young girls who are still learning about life or have really bad issues themselves with relationships, men, other women and people in general. There's a vast group of fans that do not know other life outside Instagram and TumblR.

I've talked to them, I've tried to reason with these kids and they told me they dont know where to get information about the band and about the bandmembers. This is the reason why they believe what fan accounts about the band post or other fans post, because apparently they dont know about forums or websites or anything else. Just the "Insta".

And this is the reason why we have so many ignorant fans believing gossip, lies, and misinformation in general about the band and the people involved with them. I got really upset someone told me the other day they have never watched the Making Of Videos or the MTV interviews. Neither the most famous interviews from mags like Rolling Stone or Spin or whatever. They are clueless about the existence of these sources of information, so they mostly rely on what their peers find and reproduce from other Insta accounts.

Wow. Very true i couldnt agree more. I totally understand her to react to these people i mean i would, after i will i would ignore it simply because they probably wouldnt be getting the reaction the want. I dont know how this is going to end by i hope it does  soon because this whole harassing someone is getting really out of hand, i didnt know they was together 4 years i thought it started last year. (Thanks for letting me know! :) ). And these silly girls on fan pages think they know everything just because they listen to an album or two and swoon over their attracrive looks and then pull out facts from their arse dont mean nothing! They probably have never read anything to do with what happened back then if they did they would be shocked. im sure they would believe anything these fan pages said about someone they didnt like simply because they didnt like them. Thats how ignorant and petty they are-i fully agree with her defending herself and her kids...i think its great. Then i would show them that they dont get to me at all that they wont stop me from being happy and living a good life. :) 

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10 hours ago, Ratam said:

Is it just me or does Meegan's facial expression in lots of pics of her and Slash seem kinda weird? Like, triumphant or possibly even gloating??

I'm not sure about that but there's something about this woman that I very much dislike. Maybe the "old one" was a classless, crazy bitch but in some way I felt less antipathy for her, she just was what she was. This one is.. well... I don't know, whatever, not that I care really. But definitely she evokes my antipathy. To me something's wrong with her.

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30 minutes ago, Asia said:

I'm not sure about that but there's something about this woman that I very much dislike. Maybe the "old one" was a classless, crazy bitch but in some way I felt less antipathy for her, she just was what she was. This one is.. well... I don't know, whatever, not that I care really. But definitely she evokes my antipathy. To me something's wrong with her.

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From reading his autobiography, Slash doesn't strike me as being the most discerning guy when it comes to women.  He always just kinda ended up with whoever he ended up with and put little to no thought into why he was with a particular person at any given time, so long as he had someone.  Which wasn't such a bad thing.  In that regard, he was smart.  So was Duff.  Those two always made sure they had a woman in their lives (and in Duff's case, a place to call home) to act as anchors, to give them stability and temporary relief from the insanity that was Guns n Roses.  That's probably partly how those two managed to weather all the shit storms and fall out from sustenance abuse over the years and come out the other side relatively mentally in tact (I think Axl tried to have anchors in his life too, but it didn't turn out so well for him).  

But yeah, from what I read, Slash never really approached his relationships thoughtfully or maturely.  I mean, he didn't have a prenup with Perla.  Even Duff, who was completely and utterly fucked up for his first two marriages made sure of that.  And Slash's relationship with Renee was just bizarre when you read about it.  He met her in a bar, picked her up, and started living with her almost immediately.  You got the impression he just went along with the marriage, passively, not really caring either way.  They barely knew each other - he admits that in the book.  She just seemed incidental to his life rather than part of it and he did wake up to that fact, but only after a long while and then he treated her badly.  Basically told her to get out of his life right now just because he'd finally had an epiphany.  He does acknowledge he was an asshole about it.  Anyway, I would hope he's learned a few lessons by now.  Maybe he and Meegan are genuinely a good fit for one another.

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I think Slash and Duff are happy, we should be happy that they are happy. :P

They are miles better off than Axl. Look what happens to him when his nanny isn't there to watch him, he ends up lost and looking vulnerable outside nightclubs whilst having been ditched by his so called friends. 

No wonder he gave half his tickets away to fans for that show. 

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I don't know who Spanky is, I just find the idea it's Perla hilarious, for my own amusement :lol:

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6 hours ago, Mary Cochrane said:

Wow. Very true i couldnt agree more. I totally understand her to react to these people i mean i would, after i will i would ignore it simply because they probably wouldnt be getting the reaction the want. I dont know how this is going to end by i hope it does  soon because this whole harassing someone is getting really out of hand, i didnt know they was together 4 years i thought it started last year. (Thanks for letting me know! :) ). And these silly girls on fan pages think they know everything just because they listen to an album or two and swoon over their attracrive looks and then pull out facts from their arse dont mean nothing! They probably have never read anything to do with what happened back then if they did they would be shocked. im sure they would believe anything these fan pages said about someone they didnt like simply because they didnt like them. Thats how ignorant and petty they are-i fully agree with her defending herself and her kids...i think its great. Then i would show them that they dont get to me at all that they wont stop me from being happy and living a good life. :) 

I think she's gone through all those phases already: blocking, reporting, ignoring, calling them out on their shit, locking her profile, etc..... So she's trying a new one: confronting them.

It must be very tiring because the trolls emerge from all places. She's tried everything and they keep coming out, finding a way to talk shit about her so I don't know... I still think the only idiots in this story are the psychos hating/disliking Meegan just because she is with Slash.

Slash is a guy in his 50's, with children..... I will never understand that a young woman would waste her time with this and an older woman doing it is fucking pathetic as well. And what for? :shrugs:

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2 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

I think Slash and Duff are happy, we should be happy that they are happy. :P

They are miles better off than Axl. Look what happens to him when his nanny isn't there to watch him, he ends up lost and looking vulnerable outside nightclubs whilst having been ditched by his so called friends. 

No wonder he gave half his tickets away to fans for that show. 

They both look great and happy and trying to be family men, with all the obstacles and shits that come along (especially in Slash' case, with that combative ex-wife).

I love both Susan and Meegan, they are really cool in my eyes and they are very kind and nice with the fans that are decent towards them. I've followed Meegan from the ancient times, lol. I kind of miss her old IG account when she would be more chatty and less exposed but ok, she's still cool and replies to my annoying shit all the time :P

Axl's situation is bad.... Those kids will soon grow tired of his shit. Cranky old people are not pleasant to be around. He was unpleasant when he was a cranky young dude, so imagine what he's gonna be in a few years....

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Yeah, I agree, Duff and Slash have really landed on their feet and I'm really pleased for them.  

I do feel for Axl.  Maybe it's because I know people with his personality type  (or what I perceive to be his personality, obviously, I don't know the guy) and life is hard for them precisely because the qualities that make them fascinating and irresistible, and good at say, being a frontman, are the same qualities that make them difficult to tolerate and love.  It's like they can't win simply because of who they fundamentally are.  Those kinds of people find it hard to change and adapt.  People mock Axl for his 'nanny' but clearly, he needed a stabilising mother-figure in his life (makes you wonder how his relationship with his actual mother is these days) and we just don't know what positive impact she may have had on his life up to now.  Maybe Beta is the reason he hasn't gone the way of Chris and Chester.  It's a shame he hasn't found his significant other, like Slash and Duff have, but you know...there's still time for the guy!  

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4 minutes ago, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said:

People mock Axl for his 'nanny' but clearly, he needed a stabilising mother-figure in his life (makes you wonder how his relationship with his actual mother is these days) and we just don't know what positive impact she may have had on his life up to now.  Maybe Beta is the reason he hasn't gone the way of Chris and Chester.  It's a shame he hasn't found his significant other, like Slash and Duff have, but you know...there's still time for the guy!  

His real mother passed away in 1996, I think, when she was 51 years old.

He claimed he didn't have a good relationship with her and that he didn't have nice feelings about her because he considered that she didn't help him when his stepfather abused him.

Beta has for sure organized his life in many ways and she has probably prevented him from ending up like Kurt or Chris but it seems he's not turned out much better since he hasn't made a lot of advance ever since she took over. Or he was in such a bad state that this is all the good he can be :shrugs:

A healthy relationship between mother and son would have provided Axl with the tools to be able to cope with problems and situations when he reached adulthood, without needing a "nanny" his whole life. I don't see anything wrong with a mother spoiling children a bit but you have to be responsible and raise them to be fully independent adults.

Of course, Beta's job wasn't to raise Axl again but I think her babysitting might have gone too far to the point of now having a guy in his mid 50s, who can't handle himself alone at night.

This type of patriarchal raising of boys is what ruins people later in life. It ruins both the men and the women who engages in a relationship with a mama's boy. They are totally dependent of women, not knowing how to cook, iron, wash their clothes, etc... They can't take care of themselves. They become useless without assistants, maids, nannies or wives.

Axl is this type of man who's lost total independence from people when it comes to the smallest and simplest things.

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9 minutes ago, killuridols said:

A healthy relationship between mother and son would have provided Axl with the tools to be able to cope with problems and situations when he reached adulthood, without needing a "nanny" his whole life. I don't see anything wrong with a mother spoiling children a bit but you have to be responsible and raise them to be fully independent adults.

 

9 minutes ago, killuridols said:

This type of patriarchal raising of boys is what ruins people later in life. It ruins both the men and the women who engages in a relationship with a mama's boy. They are totally dependent of women, not knowing how to cook, iron, wash their clothes, etc... They can't take care of themselves. They become useless without assistants, maids, nannies or wives.

Sorry, but could you please clarify this for me... Are you stating that Sharron Bailey spoiled/coddled Axl too much? Or are you talking about Beta? If it is the former, please could you provide a source for this.

Thanks.

 

16 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Beta has for sure organized his life in many ways and she has probably prevented him from ending up like Kurt or Chris but it seems he's not turned out much better since he hasn't made a lot of advance ever since she took over. Or he was in such a bad state that this is all the good he can be :shrugs:

I wouldn't say that Axl leads the most well adjusted life by any means but surely it's miles better than being dead...? :confused:

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Ah, ok I didn't know his mother had died.  Well, I don't know how he lives his life.  All speculation of course though it makes for interesting discussion.  I'm curious though, why is there a perception that Beta babysits him?  Or that he can't take care of himself?  Where has this come from?  Not being argumentative, genuinely want to know.  I haven't been following the band closely for many years, only catching up with all the news now, really.

 

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11 minutes ago, KiraMPD said:

Sorry, but could you please clarify this for me... Are you stating that Sharron Bailey spoiled/coddled Axl too much? Or are you talking about Beta? If it is the former, please could you provide a source for this.

Thanks.

I was talking about Beta. When she took over she acted like the mom of a small child, not like a guy in his 30s, as he was back then.

11 minutes ago, KiraMPD said:

I wouldn't say that Axl leads the most well adjusted life by any means but surely it's miles better than being dead...? :confused:

Well, I don't believe in merely living for the sake of it. I believe in having a good quality of life as opposed to surviving or living like a miserable person. This is why I don't condemn suicide either.

So this is mainly my point of view, of course, and the perspective from which I form my opinions.

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1 minute ago, killuridols said:

Well, I don't believe in merely living for the sake of it. I believe in having a good quality of life as opposed to surviving or living like a miserable person. This is why I don't condemn suicide either.

So this is mainly my point of view, of course, and the perspective for which I form my opinions.

Ah, fair enough. I guess in that case you probably agree with the quote in my sig.

 

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1 minute ago, KiraMPD said:

Ah, fair enough. I guess in that case you probably agree with the quote in my sig.

No. I don't wish the death of anyone and I wouldn't encourage anyone to take away their lives.

It is a personal choice. Like abortion. It should be a right of every person to be able to do whatever they want with their lives and not be condemned for it. Your body is yours. You decide when other people have access to it or not. You decide when to intervene your body in whatever way you like.

I see people living miserable lives but it's not in me to decide for how long they are going to be miserable. I'm just observing someone else's life and that's it.

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Is it only me or does this guy resemble Axl to you as well?

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I think is not that bad that Axl has Beta, maybe she has being of help in times of emotional crisis, etc.  But what I think it's bad is that she put all her family to work for him  and it has become in some sort of family business. Idk they don't look very professional to me....  ( the last video as an example)

 It looks like a mess to me.

 

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1 minute ago, penelope said:

I think is not that bad that Axl has Beta, maybe she has being of help in times of emotional crisis, etc.  But what I think it's bad is that she put all her family to work for him  and it has become in some sort of family business. Idk they don't look very professional to me....  ( the last video as an example)

 It looks like a mess to me.

Maybe it was Axl's idea to put them all to work for him and of course, for TB, that was the easiest path to land a job.

Since he is a guy who started distrusting everyone (at times with reason) and needed people who would not contradict him with his vision of how he had to run the band, TB fits perfectly in the story. He sort of raised those kids, molded and shaped them the way he wanted them to be. Instructed them to do this and that and with the help of Beta, they became a team at the service of Axl.

Any other people, serious managers and professionals, wouldn't have devoted their lives to Axl Rose. They'd want to have things done, going and moving quickly. They would have forced him to reunite earlier than this. That's exactly what people like Azoff wanted but Axl was not mentally in the place he needed to be to accept it.

 

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22 minutes ago, penelope said:

I think is not that bad that Axl has Beta, maybe she has being of help in times of emotional crisis, etc.  But what I think it's bad is that she put all her family to work for him  and it has become in some sort of family business. Idk they don't look very professional to me....  ( the last video as an example)

 It looks like a mess to me.

@penelope agree with you here. Yes about her family....I read in some place that even Beta's sister and brother had a job in some capacity in GNR...in my opinion that is very exploitative....I don't know if now it's the case, but for example, Vanessa's husband....:facepalm: what he do for GNR? and you see in their Instagram "GNR family" and shit like that...and honestly I have not seen Axl in a single picture at those fancy restaurants where "GNR family" go

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17 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Maybe it was Axl's idea to put them all to work for him and of course, for TB, that was the easiest path to land a job.

Since he is a guy who started distrusting everyone (at times with reason) and needed people who would not contradict him with his vision of how he had to run the band, TB fits perfectly in the story. He sort of raised those kids, molded and shaped them the way he wanted them to be. Instructed them to do this and that and with the help of Beta, they became a team at the service of Axl.

Any other people, serious managers and professionals, wouldn't have devoted their lives to Axl Rose. They'd want to have things done, going and moving quickly. They would have forced him to reunite earlier than this. That's exactly what people like Azoff wanted but Axl was not mentally in the place he needed to be to accept it.

 

Yeah, I know it is Axl's fault too, but man....  there must some descent asistant out there for him to work with,(no matter how difficult Axl is) it is just not healthy for him having all the lebeises family tree.

 

27 minutes ago, Georgina Arriaga said:

@penelope agree with you here. Yes about her family....I read in some place that even Beta's sister and brother had a job in some capacity in GNR...in my opinion that is very exploitative....I don't know if now it's the case, but for example, Vanessa's husband....:facepalm: what he do for GNR? and you see in their Instagram "GNR family" and shit like that...and honestly I have not seen Axl in a single picture at those fancy restaurants where "GNR family" go

Yeah it is crazy!  It is not so hard to imagine them fighting for the inheritance..

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24 minutes ago, Georgina Arriaga said:

Yes, I wish for him a Baby....so those Lebeises can't touch the inheritance....

I wish for the Baby not to have Axl as a Dad!!!

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24 minutes ago, Tori72 said:

I wish for the Baby not to have Axl as a Dad!!!

He did say a long time ago that he didn't want any children as long as he felt there may be any danger he could do to them what was done to him. Don't remember the exact words, but that was what he meant. 

Thats sensible I think. 

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Just now, MillionsOfSpiders said:

He did say a long time ago that he didn't want any children as long as he felt there may be any danger he could do to them what was done to him. Don't remember the exact words, but that was what he meant. 

Thats sensible I think. 

Yes, I think that's really wise of him. 

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2 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:
29 minutes ago, Tori72 said:

I wish for the Baby not to have Axl as a Dad!!!

He did say a long time ago that he didn't want any children as long as he felt there may be any danger he could do to them what was done to him. Don't remember the exact words, but that was what he meant. 

Thats sensible I think. 

Yes, he had said that in 1989, but later he seemed more positive about it with Erin's pregnancy and then him wanting to have a family with Stephanie. Probably after that he changed again...

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