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1 minute ago, KiraMPD said:

Hmm... I don't think it was the matter of Axl not wanting that sound anymore. For example, the solo for the Blues almost mirrors Slash's solos in the past (w.r.t to the overall structure).

That's what Axl said so why should I contradict him? :shrugs:He said the sound of the old band was dated. He wanted to evolve from that.

From minute 12:35 until 14:38 he says it:

 

54 minutes ago, KiraMPD said:

Besides which, Slash and Duff quit and according to both of them Axl tried to reach out to Slash for a long time (between 1996-1998, I think) but Slash didn't want anything to do with it. I'm not saying Slash or Duff were in the wrong, but that is what happened. Slash and Duff didn't want to be a part of it initially just as much as Axl didn't want them to be a part of it later on

Hmmm.... what? Slash and Duff were always in the band until they left. They did work on a follow up to the UYI albums, they did write stuff but they couldn't agree with Axl on what would be the new GN'R album. Slash left in October 1996 and Duff in August 1997.

Slash says in his bio that the reasons why he left are not based on artistic or creative differences but because the band was not a team anymore. He found it disrespectful what Axl put them through with the lateness to shows night after night, the whole "owning the name" thing and that they were reduced to hired hands and also, losing Izzy and Steven since they were integral part of the sound of the band. For him, there was no chemistry among them anymore.

1 hour ago, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said:

@killuridols  CD totally lacks danger and edge.  It's dark, for sure.  Moody.  But in no way kickass or bolshy like AFD and many, many songs on both UYIs.  Someone here said it's full of Axl's disappointment and that's really apparent. Some songs reveal that disappointment so profoundly I feel like crying when listening to parts, like the guitar solo in TWAT for instance.  I'm really impressed with any fan that stuck by Axl (I like what you call his lonely years).  That must have been hard.  To hear the initial promise of CD and wait for so long only for that promise not to be delivered, and the whole listening experience spoiled.  

I'm not sure I have a song from CD that hits me emotionally to that level. Maybe SOD and Madagascar give me a little bit of it but I can't connect too much to them. Don't know why. I kind of do not understand the lyrics that much.

As for the years waiting...hmm... it was hard but in my mind I had started to detach from it after 2006. I really didn't think he would ever release it so I didn't wait anymore. To be honest, I didn't buy CD right away when it was finally out. I had lost all interest on it and I didn't care. Later on, I came back and bought it but I found it boring. I didn't even have the curiosity to find out what were the final versions of the songs I had liked so much. It took me some more years to go back to it and listen to it properly and with more conscience.

59 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Why be impressed with Axl fans who stuck with Axl? 

How is it a hardship? 

Awwwww poor little Axl fans, he must have ruined their lives ?

It didn't ruin my life. I just moved on and listened to other things. I became fan of many other artists. I discovered amazing different music.

 

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28 minutes ago, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said:

 @MillionsOfSpidersOutta likes but YES to this. :lol:  I got all excited hearing his trademark growl on Riad.  I miss that. ^^

Well, AC/DC albums don't have growling or swearing, so it's not coming back any time soon :(            :lol:

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30 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Hmmm.... what? Slash and Duff were always in the band until they left. They did work on a follow up to the UYI albums, they did write stuff but they couldn't agree with Axl on what would be the new GN'R album. Slash left in October 1996 and Duff in August 1997.

Slash says in his bio that the reasons why he left are not based on artistic or creative differences but because the band was not a team anymore. He found it disrespectful what Axl put them through with the lateness to shows night after night, the whole "owning the name" thing and that they were reduced to hired hands and also, losing Izzy and Steven since they were integral part of the sound of the band. For him, there was no chemistry among them anymore.

I think we are misinterpreting each other. I was responding to a part of your post that seemed to imply to me that you think Axl deliberately did not want Slash and Duff to be a part of CD, or excluded them in some way. Which I do not think is the case as they left off of their own will. I did not mean to imply that artistic differences were the sole reason for the split, because as you stated there were a plethora of other contributing factors.

 

34 minutes ago, killuridols said:

That's what Axl said so why should I contradict him? :shrugs:He said the sound of the old band was dated. He wanted to evolve from that.

From minute 12:35 until 14:38 he says it:

Again, I was responding w.r.t what I hear on CD of the finished songs. The core structure of some of the songs is very reminiscent of songs on AFD and UYI (breakdowns, timing of the solos, melding of guitar and vocals on outros, etc) so imo it wasn't a 180° to the previous works from Gn'R. Yes, there was a significant change in tone (aided by different guitar styles, synths and orchestra) so that could have been the 'modern' element he was going for but it wasn't a totally different approach to song structure.

Perhaps Axl wanted to 'evolve' past their previous works but I don't think it was as far a departure as some, including Axl, make it out to be.

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Hello, an article with a very unpopular opinion:

http://www.westword.com/music/guns-n-roses-is-back-but-they-never-really-went-away-9318922

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Now we all have the opportunity to see the bulk of the classic lineup. I have my ticket, and I’m sure plenty of people reading this will be going. And popular opinion will reign supreme. This is the real Guns N’ Roses (or at least it would be if Stradlin were there). Finally, the real band is back.

And that’s fair. All reports from the current tour are positive. The band is firing on all cylinders night after night, and the musicians might well enter the studio together.

But the lineup that existed in the mid-2000s wasn’t the shoddy excuse for a band that many would have you believe. Bumblefoot and DJ Ashba are no slouches, either. Strip away the prejudices, and Rose consistently assembled a solid group of musicians, capable of playing the classics well while challenging him artistically.

I’m as happy as anyone that Slash and Duff are back. But Buckethead, Stinson et al. deserve their props.

 

I'm guilty of this prejudice

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5 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

CD sounds nothing like Guns N' Roses.

The end. 

CD totally sounds like Guns N' Roses in parts (e.g. SoD) :max:

The end. :awesomeface:

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Also, danger? There will never be any of that again in their music, they're all old farts now, there's nothing dangerous about them and their music reflects that. CD (ballads with layers over layers) and VR (boring, generic and uninspired 2000s rock) already were the opposite of dangerous and it's gonna be even worse now should they in fact manage to get their asses into a studio.

 

 

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43 minutes ago, Frey said:

CD totally sounds like Guns N' Roses in parts (e.g. SoD) :max:

The end. :awesomeface:

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Also, danger? There will never be any of that again in their music, they're all old farts now, there's nothing dangerous about them and their music reflects that. CD (ballads with layers over layers) and VR (boring, generic and uninspired 2000s rock) already were the opposite of dangerous and it's gonna be even worse now should they in fact manage to get their asses into studio.

It sounds like a pop album to me, not anything like GnR. I have to admit though, I have listened to Prostitute quite a lot recently, I wish it wasn't so busy with sound effects, but I like it :) 

I actually believe in "evolving" the sound of a band, making albums that don't all sound the same, I like it when a band can do that. 

I may have been disappointed as a fan if they had stayed together but kept on churning out wannabe Appetite albums, in fact I know I would have been. 

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21 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

It sounds like a pop album to me, not anything like GnR. I have to admit though, I have listened to Prostitute quite a lot recently, I wish it wasn't so busy with sound effects, but I like it :) 

I actually believe in "evolving" the sound of a band, making albums that don't all sound the same, I like it when a band can do that. 

I may have been disappointed as a fan if they had stayed together but kept on churning out wannabe Appetite albums, in fact I know I would have been. 

I'm glad you appreciate Prostitute, since it is probably my favorite NuGNR/Axl solo (whatever you wanna call it) song :lol: Or maybe my favorite together with Madagascar, Oh My God  and Streed of Dreams.

I think Appetite couldn't have been recreated anyway. That album was the result of the life they were actually living at the time, if they'd tried to go for this kind of thing again as pampered millionaires it wouldn't have been authentic. And it would be even worse nowadays- apart from still being filthy rich, they're also not wild kids anymore, they're old guys and have calmed down a lot. So I've never really understood why so many people long for another Appetite, because I don't think there can ever be another one. That was a one time thing, now better on to different things they can still do convincingly, imo.

 

 

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7 hours ago, killuridols said:

If CD sounded similar to the Illusions then there would be a lot more fans supporting it and liking it but thats not the case.

Besides, ten years or more had passed between what Slash said and the release of CD. Plenty of time for Axl to rethink what the final sound of CD would be like. 

Even if CD completely sounded like UYI I think it would still lose support because the sound wouldn't be fresh. I can almost guarantee that if AFD5 had recorded CD the masses would have gone crazy for it.

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3 hours ago, KiraMPD said:

I think we are misinterpreting each other. I was responding to a part of your post that seemed to imply to me that you think Axl deliberately did not want Slash and Duff to be a part of CD, or excluded them in some way. Which I do not think is the case as they left off of their own will. I did not mean to imply that artistic differences were the sole reason for the split, because as you stated there were a plethora of other contributing factors.

Yeah.

No, I didn't mean to say that. I meant to say Axl didn't like the type of songs they were writing for the new album. He wanted a different sound. Like he says on the interview "not so Aerosmith/ACDC kind of style". Apparently, that's what the material Duff & Slash wrote sounded like. Slash says he was willing to go industrial or whatever style Axl wanted but he didnt like the treatment he was receiving from Axl and how they were being reduced to merely "hired hands". So, maybe the reasons for their departure are a mixture of not seeing eye-to-eye with Axl regarding the music and other disagreements regarding the business side of the band, bringing other people to write with, etc.

3 hours ago, KiraMPD said:

The core structure of some of the songs is very reminiscent of songs on AFD and UYI (breakdowns, timing of the solos, melding of guitar and vocals on outros, etc) so imo it wasn't a 180° to the previous works from Gn'R. Yes, there was a significant change in tone (aided by different guitar styles, synths and orchestra) so that could have been the 'modern' element he was going for but it wasn't a totally different approach to song structure.

I totally disagree with the bolded. I don't find any AFD on Chinese Democracy at all. UYI, maybe, but just on a couple songs.

3 hours ago, Georgina Arriaga said:

I'm guilty of this prejudice

Buckethead may be a guitar god but he does nothing for me, so I was glad when he was gone. To me he was a fuckin' freak that reminded me too much of Michael Jackson. I don't care if he plays perfect.

Stinson is mediocre and Ashba is LOL :lol: Only one I can save is Robin Finck. That one was a gem.

All in all, put together they did play nice shows and were professionals well assembled but they weren't Guns N' Roses. If Axl had gone solo with this band, he would have been much more respected and praised for his band than what he got when presenting these lineups as the new Guns N' Roses generation.

1 hour ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

It sounds like a pop album to me, not anything like GnR. I have to admit though, I have listened to Prostitute quite a lot recently, I wish it wasn't so busy with sound effects, but I like it :) 

It does sound like pop album to me too. Prostitute I only like the beginning, then I have to turn it off when the solo comes. That's something that happens to me oftenly when playing CD. I can't finish songs, they are all too long for my taste. I need to skip to the next one as soon as vocals are done.

14 minutes ago, Rocketqueen76 said:

Even if CD completely sounded like UYI I think it would still lose support because the sound wouldn't be fresh. I can almost guarantee that if AFD5 had recorded CD the masses would have gone crazy for it.

CD wouldn't be CD if had been recorded by AFD5.

Izzy and Steven would have never wanted to record music like that.

 

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50 minutes ago, Frey said:

I'm glad you appreciate Prostitute, since it is probably my favorite NuGNR/Axl solo (whatever you wanna call it) song :lol: Or maybe my favorite together with Madagascar, Oh My God  and Streed of Dreams.

I think Appetite couldn't have been recreated anyway. That album was the result of the life they were actually living at the time, if they'd tried to go for this kind of thing again as pampered millionaires it wouldn't have been authentic. And it would be even worse nowadays- apart from still being filthy rich, they're also not wild kids anymore, they're old guys and have calmed down a lot. So I've never really understood why so many people long for another Appetite, because I don't think there can ever be another one. That was a one time thing, now better on to different things they can still do convincingly, imo.

 

 

I don't want them to re-create Appetite per se, I just want them to create music that stays true to their musical roots, which is blues based hard rock with the bass turned way the fuck up (there's no bass on CD.  That is one of THE defining sounds of GnR and it's buried).  And that's not a lifestyle thing; they don't have to be wild boys living in a hovel in Gardner St to continue making kickass music - they just have to make the kind of music they themselves love.  Sure they can evolve and update and whatnot, but IF they put out new music, I wouldn't like them to lose sight of their original passion for blues/rock genre.  I think Axl lost touch with his musical roots on CD, partially because he obviously had other artistic things he wanted to work through, but also because he lacked Slash and Duff's input and was working with hired hands who weren't all on the same page musically/artistically.  Anyway, i'm still holding out for hope they'll put out new music, not AFD 2, but something we'll still recognise as Guns.

Edit: And yeah, I totally regard CD as Axl solo project.  I don't even think of it as Guns. 

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10 minutes ago, killuridols said:

CD wouldn't be CD if had been recorded by AFD5.

Izzy and Steven would have never wanted to record music like that.

Semantics my dear @killuridols. My point was that even if the sound slightly changed it still would have been received favorably had it been done by the original line-up

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6 minutes ago, Rocketqueen76 said:

Semantics my dear @killuridols. My point was that even if the sound slightly changed it still would have been received favorably had it been done by the original line-up

I gotcha but I don't agree, lol :P

First because AFD5 would have never recorded an album like CD and second because if the band had remained together (or at least the UYI tour lineup), there would have been a natural decline in the reception of their albums, like with every other band, the peak is usually when the people are pretty young.

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@Frey I think slash has a weave, not implants. In that last picture if you look at his temple area you can see where the weave starts. The texture of his natural hair above that gives it away. I think Steven has the same thing.

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Except Steven's seems to start around his cheekbone area.

Axl's hair just needs to be toned. The color he's got now is way too brassy which is why it looks so brittle. If he fixes the color and uses a good conditioner his hair wouldn't be bad at all.

Duff is some kind of magician with his hair. That guys been using bleach for 30+ years. How the hell he's not bald is some kind of miracle. :lol:

Izzy just doesn't give a fuck. Pretty sure he just rolls outta bed and throws on a hat. :rofl-lol:

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24 minutes ago, Frey said:

Axl does have rather unique facial structure, I can agree on that. Some kind of weird cross between an Irish pixie/elf who had a Chinese grandma and a chipmunk.

Lovely description @Frey  jaja

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14 minutes ago, Kris_1989 said:

@Frey I think slash has a weave, not implants. In that last picture if you look at his temple area you can see where the weave starts. The texture of his natural hair above that gives it away. I think Steven has the same thing.

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Except Steven's seems to start around his cheekbone area.

Axl's hair just needs to be toned. The color he's got now is way too brassy which is why it looks so brittle. If he fixes the color and uses a good conditioner his hair wouldn't be bad at all.

Duff is some kind of magician with his hair. That guys been using bleach for 30+ years. How the hell he's not bald is some kind of miracle. :lol:

Izzy just doesn't give a fuck. Pretty sure he just rolls outta bed and throws on a hat. :rofl-lol:

I think you are probably right about Steven and Slash having a weave (what exactly is that though? Is it just somehow woven into the natural hair that's left or glued to the head or what?), but the bald spots on top of Slash's head that were already apparent in the 2000s are gone now too, so I think Slash might have both a weave and implants?

I'll trust your knowledge and expertise on the rest :P
 

9 minutes ago, Fourteenbeers said:

What a description of Axl... :lol::lol::lol:

Kuvahaun tulos haulle pixie elf pictures+Kuvahaun tulos haulle old chinese woman pictures+

Kuvahaun tulos haulle chipmunk pictures=Kuvahaun tulos haulle axl rose pictures 1980's

Accurate. :lol:

Although you could have taken one of these pictures of Axl where he is smiling really big and gets those chipmunk cheeks and the slanted eyes to really hit it home :P

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Frey said:

Accurate. :lol:

Although you could have taken one of these pictures of Axl where he is smiling really big and gets those chipmunk cheeks and the slanted eyes to really hit it home :P

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Here's a smile..and another one... 

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@Frey

Basically it's a strand of hair (Can be natural, synthetic or a combination of the two) that they clamp to your natural hair with a little band.

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This is what they look like once they're installed.

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What's meant to be wrong with Izzys hair :question:

I thought his hair was just normal ?? 

I also can't figure out what the hell Axl has done to his teeth, replaced a lot of them I think. Ouch!! 

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14 minutes ago, Kris_1989 said:

Basically it's a strand of hair (Can be natural, synthetic or a combination of the two) that they clamp to your natural hair with a little band.

This is what they look like once they're installed.

They look uncomfortable as hell... 

11 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

I also can't figure out what the hell Axl has done to his teeth, replaced a lot of them I think. Ouch!! 

porcelain veneers? 

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4 minutes ago, Fourteenbeers said:

porcelain veneers? 

Maybe? I don't think veneers usually look like that though.

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21 minutes ago, Frey said:

I think you are probably right about Steven and Slash having a weave (what exactly is that though? Is it just somehow woven into the natural hair that's left or glued to the head or what?), but the bald spots on top of Slash's head that were already apparent in the 2000s are gone now too, so I think Slash might have both a weave and implants?

I'll trust your knowledge and expertise on the rest :P
 

Accurate. :lol:

Although you could have taken one of these pictures of Axl where he is smiling really big and gets those chipmunk cheeks and the slanted eyes to really hit it home :P

 

 

Weave can either be glued on as a track or sown into a braid of the persons natural hair. Like Slash I am natural and refuse to go near the stuff LOL.

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