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3 minutes ago, purplestargirl said:

Yep...he's 5' 8", which is two inches taller than me. I'm 173 inches (5' 6"). 

I was just taken back by his feet because they are very similar to mine, which is probably because he's about the same height as I am.

I'm 174 and Axl looks a slightly taller in the pic with me but that's because he was wearing the boots that have a little heel and I was wearing flat shoes, so I guess he's 174-5. 

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1 hour ago, Andy14 said:

I'm 174 and Axl looks a slightly taller in the pic with me but that's because he was wearing the boots that have a little heel and I was wearing flat shoes, so I guess he's 174-5. 

I guess if I met him, I could stand eye-to-eye with him.

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8 minutes ago, purplestargirl said:

@Lumikki How tall are you?

I'm 170 cm and he wasn't much taller than me. I was nearly eye to eye with him.

 

3 minutes ago, Andy14 said:

I'm 174 and Axl looks a slightly taller in the pic with me but that's because he was wearing the boots that have a little heel and I was wearing flat shoes, so I guess he's 174-5. 

Yeah, I think his shoes help make him look a tiny bit taller, but in reality you guys are probably the same height, 174-5 cm. Made for each other :awesomeface:

 

 

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59 minutes ago, Lumikki said:

I'm 170 cm and he wasn't much taller than me. I was nearly eye to eye with him.

 

Yeah, I think his shoes help make him look a tiny bit taller, but in reality you guys are probably the same height, 174-5 cm. Made for each other :awesomeface:

 

 

Me and Axl, Axl and @Andy14, or me and Andy14? Lol. Or all three of us?   :smiley-confused2:

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36 minutes ago, Asia said:

Yes, he was very proportionate. And because he is not a very big guy, he only looks good very slim, unfortunately for him. In a man like, whatever, James Hetfield the additional pounds don't make that much of a difference, while Axl mmediately looks short-legged and stout...

I think that rule applies to everyone, unfortunately :unsure:

When you are sort of short or not too big, putting on weight doesn't help at all...

27 minutes ago, Lumikki said:

I'd say he's only 174 or 175 cm going by the impression I had when standing next to him and from what other people have said.

He's tiny.

I once said that to a person who knows Axl in real life and they were like "eehh he's not tiny".

:shrugs:

It mostly depends on which side of the planet you're comparing to. In Latinamerica, a man as tall as Axl is considered normal and no one would call him tiny.

Looks like in Europe people tend to be taller but that doesn't mean the rest of people are dwarves.

One guy who was noticeable small was West Arkeen. 

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24 minutes ago, Lumikki said:

Yeah, I think his shoes help make him look a tiny bit taller, but in reality you guys are probably the same height, 174-5 cm. Made for each other :awesomeface:

Now that's what you should have written on a banner :rofl-lol::devilshades:

23 minutes ago, purplestargirl said:

Me and Axl, Axl and @Andy14, or me and Andy14? Lol. Or all three of us?   :smiley-confused2:

:bitchfight::max:

:P

16 minutes ago, killuridols said:

It mostly depends on which side of the planet you're comparing to. In Latinamerica, a man as tall as Axl is considered normal and no one would call him tiny.

Looks like in Europe people tend to be taller but that doesn't mean the rest of people are dwarves.

One guy who was noticeable small was West Arkeen. 

I agree, he's not tiny, he's ok. Angus is short, Angry Anderson is short, Prince was short, but not Axl. 

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36 minutes ago, purplestargirl said:

Me and Axl, Axl and @Andy14, or me and Andy14? Lol. Or all three of us?   :smiley-confused2:

I was talking about Andy and Axl, since they already got a nice engagement picture and everything...

27 minutes ago, killuridols said:

I once said that to a person who knows Axl in real life and they were like "eehh he's not tiny".

:shrugs:

It mostly depends on which side of the planet you're comparing to. In Latinamerica, a man as tall as Axl is considered normal and no one would call him tiny.

Looks like in Europe people tend to be taller but that doesn't mean the rest of people are dwarves.

One guy who was noticeable small was West Arkeen. 

I'm aware people in other parts of the planet tend to be smaller (I've spent enough time in East Asia to have seen more than my fair share of small men).

But most of the men I am surrounded by in day to day life tend towards the Duff side of things, so yes, Axl does seem pretty tiny to me.

Still within the range of normal, but rather small.

And people like Angus are ridiculously tiny to me. I felt like I could have picked the guy up and carried him off when I met him.

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, domino said:

Axl used to look so hot in his kilts....time for him to go to Scotland and give a concert there while wearing one ✌?

He definetly could rock a skirt right! It is astonishing how many weird stuff he could wear (pink spandex!!! with cowboy boots) and still look hot.

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Axl certainly suffers from small dog syndrome. Always the same with tiny guys like him.

 

Anyway, did we ever actually discuss Tom Zutaut's recent interview?

There's some interesting stuff in there. Like this:

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L.A. WEEKLY: How did the Robert Williams artwork land on the original cover?
Axl showed me a card with the Williams painting and said, “You realize … this is the future,” then he pointed to the woman: “This is the victim; this is the media, and above them is the monster that the media creates.” He predicted, in 1986, that we were going to live in a world of “fake news,” where we’d feed on tragedy. It depicted human nature and the ugly need we have for an appetite for destruction. Axl told me that CNN was going to change the world by feeding that appetite. He saw the future in that painting, and because GNR had 100% creative control in their contract, the label had to use the artwork.

This sounds... really made up.

Or at best like Zutaut's interpreting stuff into Axl's words that wasn't there.

Is this another one of Tom Zutaut's WTF stories again? Example nr. 356 or so?

It's shit like this that always makes me doubt everything else he says.

He's either making up stories again or this is another example of Axl being incredibly "sensitive and perceptive" (that's what I'm calling it because I refuse to go with more new age-y terms) - similar to that story about Axl being able to feel "Courtney Love vibes" on other people (and wasn't that one told by Zutaut as well or was it someone else?). And also sort of related to Axl being disturbed by Bucketheads pornography because he didn't want unpure, dirty vibes like that on CD (that one definitely was told by Zutaut too).

So not only can Axl magically tell if other people have been around people/things with bad energy in the past, he can also apparently predict the future. What a special little indigo child he is. No wonder the new age people liked him so much :awesomeface:

 

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L.A. WEEKLY: I can’t believe how sharp Axl’s voice sounds on the intro to the “Jungle.” It literally rips through your ears listening to it right now. Tell me what you felt the first time you heard him sing.

He’s the only guy since Jim Morrison with that kind of animal magnetism and snake-like movements, like two birds in a mating dance. Writer Danny Sugerman would compare him to Jim all the time; he schooled me on Morrison, since I’d never seen him, and Axl was that. Had the rest of the band sucked, I would have signed just Axl. Very few people on the planet have that range and power when they sing. It’s a mythological thing that nobody in rock has possessed since. Read Danny Sugarmen’s out-of-print book on GNR, Axl and mythology.

Lol, so there's at least one person who liked Danny Sugarman's book :lol:

And the bolded, wow, that's a weird thing to imagine. Axl as a young solo artist right from the start?

I kind of want to travel into the parallel universe where that happened and see how it turned out.

 

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L.A. WEEKLY: Was Axl the bandleader during the recording of Appetite? Some people would say it was Izzy Stradlin.
Well, think about it like this: While the rest of the band was living in a squalor at the Hell House, Axl had a room with a padlock on it that was pristine. He stayed away from the chaos and was sober as a church mouse and overthought everything. But that dichotomy worked because Axl would hear the work, sing through it, and make the changes. Everything had his final say on it. But initially, Izzy had a lot of the ideas. He was the primary creator of the Appetite sound, Slash’s monster guitar riffs were the icing, Duff’s complex bass parts were played like a lead guitarist, but every word and arrangement had Axl’s fingerprints all over it because he was the band’s quality control.

This story always amuses me when it comes up. Axl locked away in his corner, safe from the chaos and disorder going on in the rest of the house. And overthinking everything. Back when overthinking was still a good thing.

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Is there any raw audio of Axl and Adriana’s famous sex scene? 
There was about an hour of them fucking on tape. But after it was spliced into the best parts, the stuff Axl liked, we burned the rest of the tape, per the request of Axl. Or so GNR folklore has it. But some of it may have survived!

I bet Tom Zutaut has it. He strikes me as the kind of creep who'd keep something like that lol.

 

http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?/topic/218754-new-tom-zutaut-interview/

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Frey said:

Axl certainly suffers from small dog syndrome. Always the same with tiny guys like him.

 

Anyway, did we ever actually discuss Tom Zutaut's recent interview?

There's some interesting stuff in there. Like this:

This sounds... really made up.

Or at best like Zutaut's interpreting stuff into Axl's words that wasn't there.

Is this another one of Tom Zutaut's WTF stories again? Example nr. 356 or so?

It's shit like this that always makes me doubt everything else he says.

He's either making up stories again or this is another example of Axl being incredibly "sensitive and perceptive" (that's what I'm calling it because I refuse to go with more new age-y terms) - similar to that story about Axl being able to feel "Courtney Love vibes" on other people (and wasn't that one told by Zutaut as well or was it someone else?). And also sort of related to Axl being disturbed by Bucketheads pornography because he didn't want unpure, dirty vibes like that on CD (that one definitely was told by Zutaut too).

So not only can Axl magically tell if other people have been around people/things with bad energy in the past, he can also apparently predict the future. What a special little indigo child he is. No wonder the new age people liked him so much :awesomeface:

 

Lol, so there's at least one person who liked Danny Sugarman's book :lol:

And the bolded, wow, that's a weird thing to imagine. Axl as a young solo artist right from the start?

I kind of want to travel into the parallel universe where that happened and see how it turned out.

 

This story always amuses me when it comes up. Axl locked away in his corner, safe from the chaos and disorder going on in the rest of the house. And overthinking everything. Back when overthinking was still a good thing.

I bet Tom Zutaut has it. He strikes me as the kind of creep who'd keep something like that lol.

 

http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?/topic/218754-new-tom-zutaut-interview/

 

 

 

 

Yup, read that interview before. I call a huge BULLSHIT on Axl foreseeing fake news and shit. Jeez, Zutaut is such a ... lack of english word for it. Wanker would do. :lol:

I read about Axl locking up his room before somewhere. He doesn't look as the orderly type, especially not in the early GnR days, that's why I find it striking.

Axl as solo artist? Something cheesy and played to be the handsome heartthrob in rocknroll comes to my mind. Like Billy Idol only in really sexy? Yawn... Glad I'm in the universe where Axl had that band. 

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@Frey and @Tori72  Can I ask your reasons for doubting Tom Zutaut? Genuine question, not trying to be argumentative.  I feel like I'm missing some info here.  Why is he a wanker?  He championed the band, fought to get their sound out there.  Without him, it's likely there'd be no GNR.

The 'fake news' thing, yeah, that sounds like he's re-writing his memories there, but things like Axl being neat and orderly (which is classic control freak behaviour) and putting a padlock on the door I've read before.  Slash and Duff also allude to this.  Slash (in his book) also says he considered himself and Duff as 'gutter rats' and Axl was the' sophisticated' one.  

I personally think Axl would have made a terrific solo artist - look at CD. :lol:  Well, if you don't like CD, then I guess you'd be less than impressed with the idea of Axl being a solo artist.  Me, I love CD.

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5 minutes ago, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said:

@Frey and @Tori72  Can I ask your reasons for doubting Tom Zutaut? Genuine question, not trying to be argumentative.  I feel like I'm missing some info here.  Why is he a wanker?  He championed the band, fought to get their sound out there.  Without him, it's likely there'd be no GNR.

The 'fake news' thing, yeah, that sounds like he's re-writing his memories there, but things like Axl being neat and orderly (which is classic control freak behaviour) and putting a padlock on the door I've read before.  Slash and Duff also allude to this.  Slash (in his book) also says he considered himself and Duff as 'gutter rats' and Axl was the' sophisticated' one.  

I personally think Axl would have made a terrific solo artist - look at CD. :lol:  Well, if you don't like CD, then I guess you'd be less than impressed with the idea of Axl being a solo artist.  Me, I love CD.

I love Tom Zutaut for getting GnR signed to Geffen and for his feeling and commitment to get AfD recorded right. Absolutely.

But he said some more weird things, giving away personal information (eg axl was sexually abused by his stepfather). Axl has never verified that. So maybe Zutaut made up things. We don't know. I'm sure it was discussed in the old WT but I can't remember much more right now. Maybe @Frey has it indexed. The fake news thing is plain bullshit. lol

And no, I don't like CD. :shrugs::lol:

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1 hour ago, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said:

@Frey and @Tori72  Can I ask your reasons for doubting Tom Zutaut? Genuine question, not trying to be argumentative.  I feel like I'm missing some info here.  Why is he a wanker?  He championed the band, fought to get their sound out there.  Without him, it's likely there'd be no GNR.

The 'fake news' thing, yeah, that sounds like he's re-writing his memories there, but things like Axl being neat and orderly (which is classic control freak behaviour) and putting a padlock on the door I've read before.  Slash and Duff also allude to this.  Slash (in his book) also says he considered himself and Duff as 'gutter rats' and Axl was the' sophisticated' one.  

I personally think Axl would have made a terrific solo artist - look at CD. :lol:  Well, if you don't like CD, then I guess you'd be less than impressed with the idea of Axl being a solo artist.  Me, I love CD.

 

I don't doubt him about Axl being neat and orderly, as you said, other people have said the same thing about Axl.

I have conflicting feelings about Zutaut in general because he has a history of telling "sensationalist", unverified stories about Axl:

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- Axl predicting fake news and the media situation of the future

- Axl believing Slash's soul left his body and turned into a crow

- Axl being raped by his step father in public toilets, his mother not believing him, etc.

- Axl "knowing" other people had been around Courtney Love because they had Courtney vibes on them (?)

- All the crazy stories about Buckethead Zutaut liked to tell (chicken coop and wolf puppy poop in the studio, Axl not liking Bucket's depraved pornography, etc.)

 

Some of these things we've discussed before in the thread and I think they're in the thread index already.

 

 

And I think Axl would have been a pretty interesting solo artist as well.

CD is great and severely underrated by people who refuse to give it a chance due to their preconceived notions about it or their resentments towards Axl and the GNR situation, but I don't think this is relevant here. Axl as a young solo artist in the 80s wouldn't have created an album like CD anyway imo, it would have been something very different probably.

 

 

 

 

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Ah, ok thanks for that. :thumbsup: I'll check out the thread index to read more on this.  OK...well.  Those are some pretty...interesting things he's said then.  And yeah, I saw that documentary where he 'outed' Axl (and his sister!) like that, which I thought was not at all decent for someone who was supposed to have been the band's mentor, so I did have conflicting feelings about the guy at that point, but I guess I was prepared to take his word on everything else, if for no other reason than that he was there and saw and experienced everything firsthand.  I'll have to look into it some more now though.  Do we know what the band think of Zutaut these days?  Have any of them spoken out against him?

Agree with you re: Axl as solo artist in the 80s.  He would not have made CD then.  He had to go through all the shit with his band (and the media!) first.  Interesting that Slash thought CD was the 'perfect album for  Axl and best summed up all that had happened from Axl's POV.'  Mind you, that was in 2014 when I think Slash was angling to reunite and didn't want to say anything that might piss Axl off.

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7 minutes ago, Tori72 said:

What are you referring to? How do we know he suffered from it?

It was a joke! :lol:

Small dog syndrome refers to small dogs such as Chihuahuas often being much more aggressive and louder (and also more difficult, yippy and annoying) than bigger dogs (many of whom tend to be calmer and more laid back), because they need to compensate for their size. I'm sure you know what I mean. If not, google it, there are many articles and websites out there dealing with this topic.

Anyway, the same is often said about small men and it's very true in my experience lol. I've also seen this phenomenon referred to as "Napoleon complex".

(In GNR's case, Axl would be a small hyper aggressive Pomeranian who barks too much, while Duff would be a kind and easy-going Newfoundland or a Great Dane or something :P)

 

1 hour ago, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said:

Ah, ok thanks for that. :thumbsup: I'll check out the thread index to read more on this.  OK...well.  Those are some pretty...interesting things he's said then.  And yeah, I saw that documentary where he 'outed' Axl (and his sister!) like that, which I thought was not at all decent for someone who was supposed to have been the band's mentor, so I did have conflicting feelings about the guy at that point, but I guess I was prepared to take his word on everything else, if for no other reason than that he was there and saw and experienced everything firsthand.  I'll have to look into it some more now though.  Do we know what the band think of Zutaut these days?  Have any of them spoken out against him?

Agree with you re: Axl as solo artist in the 80s.  He would not have made CD then.  He had to go through all the shit with his band (and the media!) first.  Interesting that Slash thought CD was the 'perfect album for  Axl and best summed up all that had happened from Axl's POV.'  Mind you, that was in 2014 when I think Slash was angling to reunite and didn't want to say anything that might piss Axl off.

No, I didn't think it was 'decent' either, I was pretty shocked when I first watched that documentary and heard him say these things.

About the band and Tom Zutaut, I don't know. I only know Axl and Zutaut had some kind of falling out a couple of years ago and they haven't talked since, as Zutaut mentions in the new interview. But Zutaut only wishes him well and has nothing but good things to say about Axl and I think Axl would probably react in a friendly way to Zutaut if he happened to run across him. Axl has a habit of reacting much better than one would expect to suddenly meeting his 'enemies'/people he had fallen out with/people he hasn't talked to in years (e.g. Duff, Steven, Gilby, ... he even had a positive encounter with Jon Bon Jovi some time ago iirc :lol:). I don't remember any of the other guys talking about Zutaut recently.

As for Slash and CD, Slash also said some nice things about CD around the time it came out iirc, so I don't think it was just him sucking up to Axl when he said that. To some extent, yeah, obviously, but not only that. What tickles me about this is that Axl also clearly listened to all of Slash's music during the feud years, and he reportedly loved "By the sword". So they still seem to be drawn to each other musically speaking, which is one of the only signs that gives me hope for more GNR music in the future.

 

 

 

 

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14 hours ago, purplestargirl said:

Funny thing is, while Axl is attractive, he is not one of my celebrity crushes. Duff, on the otherhand, is. My brain is weird.

I find the exact opposite... Axl was and is out of this world sexy, while Duff is cute and gangly, yeah I'd sleep with him for sure but it would be no big deal :P while with Axl, if I met him I think I would be too dumbstruck to do anything. :facepalm:

13 hours ago, killuridols said:

Yes, there was the singer from Def Leppard wore those underpants kind of thing with combat boots and white socks during the 1992 VMA's.

And Linda Perry wears combat boots, white socks and some sort of men boxer underpants in this video from 1994:

 

From 2000-2017? Don't you mean 2007?

No, there aren't. Please show them but I'm 99% sure there aren't.

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Barefoot Axl?

Here's one!

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We bow to your outstanding fund of knowledge in all things GNR. You are hereby granted the Women's Thread PhD in GunsNRosesness. (Or the money honey PhD anyway - recognised worldwide. :lol:)

Seriously, awesome references. I was a massive Def Leppard fan. But just look at poor Joe Elliott in this clip! He's like a really bad Axl tribute act. He has all the ingredients - boots, shorts, even a dressing gown for Gods sake - but he looks terrible and oh so un-sexy. (Sorry Joe, I did love you once.)

I LOVE that 4NonBlondes video. I hadn't seen it since it first came out. That woman sure does rock the boots and white socks look. Almost on a par with Axl.

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8 hours ago, Frey said:

This sounds... really made up.

Or at best like Zutaut's interpreting stuff into Axl's words that wasn't there.

Is this another one of Tom Zutaut's WTF stories again? Example nr. 356 or so?

It's shit like this that always makes me doubt everything else he says.

He's either making up stories again or this is another example of Axl being incredibly "sensitive and perceptive" (that's what I'm calling it because I refuse to go with more new age-y terms) - similar to that story about Axl being able to feel "Courtney Love vibes" on other people (and wasn't that one told by Zutaut as well or was it someone else?). And also sort of related to Axl being disturbed by Bucketheads pornography because he didn't want unpure, dirty vibes like that on CD (that one definitely was told by Zutaut too).

So not only can Axl magically tell if other people have been around people/things with bad energy in the past, he can also apparently predict the future. What a special little indigo child he is. No wonder the new age people liked him so much :awesomeface:

I too thought that the story about the AFD cover was made up or at least Zutaut sauced Axl's original words with made up details about the role of the media in the future etc. to make the story more impressive.

And yeah, Zutaut had said that Axl thought Courtney Love was trying to "possess" him; Bryn Bridenthal also told a story about a Geffen AR guy who was secretly hooking up with her and Axl felt a "Courtney energy" in the studio. So maybe Axl had some "special ability" :awesomeface:

8 hours ago, Tori72 said:

Axl as solo artist? Something cheesy and played to be the handsome heartthrob in rocknroll comes to my mind. Like Billy Idol only in really sexy? Yawn... Glad I'm in the universe where Axl had that band. 

No, I don't think it would be like that. Axl is not one-dimensional musically and he had a lot of rage in him back then. In an interview from 89 he said that  he wasn't writing much hard rocking stuff on his own because he was covered for that by what the rest of the band was putting together, so he wrote "softer" stuff to express this side of his.

But imo he wouldn't want to be signed as a solo artist. He wouldn't go anywhere at least without Izzy back then. If they had offers by other labels as a band (as they did in reality) and Zutaut made an offer to Axl only, they would go with another label.

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4 hours ago, money honey said:

We bow to your outstanding fund of knowledge in all things GNR. You are hereby granted the Women's Thread PhD in GunsNRosesness. (Or the money honey PhD anyway - recognised worldwide. :lol:)

Seriously, awesome references. I was a massive Def Leppard fan. But just look at poor Joe Elliott in this clip! He's like a really bad Axl tribute act. He has all the ingredients - boots, shorts, even a dressing gown for Gods sake - but he looks terrible and oh so un-sexy. (Sorry Joe, I did love you once.)

I LOVE that 4NonBlondes video. I hadn't seen it since it first came out. That woman sure does rock the boots and white socks look. Almost on a par with Axl.

Oh, thank you so much!! You make me blush ?

I'm usually disrespected in this thread for the legend that I am, so I'm flattered that you are granting me a PhD in GunsNRosesness :book:

I have lived through th 90s days to the maximum so I'm not easily fooled by the revisionism going on. And yes, I remember the Def Leppard guy wearing this because when I saw him that night, I thought he was a bad Axl's copycat and I was infuriated.:rofl-lol:

Linda Perry and her band were the first non-GNR that I started to listen to when they went away. That album, her voice and her image made me rethink everything. It was great....:heart:

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