GNR Women's Discussion - Part 2

[Natty]

I ve so much work that I don t have time to post a long review . so here s a short one. I have been to Leipzig and chorzow. I preferred the Leipzig show cause we were front row and I got a guitar pic from richard 🤗

The show in Chorzow was longer but being in 2 nd row and having not caught the Pic Duff threw to me 😭😭 it was not as good as Leipzig. Music wise both shows were great with Axl and everybody else in good mood and joking a lot. I noticed that Duff sneaks to melissa during an intro or solo where he is not needed and he ate her candy 😁

I was very happy to have seen them again on this leg and they still got everything it needs to make people fall on love with their music and themselves. So I am sad that for a long time I wont see them. The weekend was great and I had a lot of fun with my GNR friend @EricA

and Axl saw the shirt I showed him in Leipzig and smiled. 3 seconds later Gio grabbed it... 

[Natty]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/19c0l9YcAt99gxHLZaM6dRn5LCJcTQ885/view?usp=drivesdk

https://drive.google.com/file/d/11vcIMaGEOSKztRdSbDEopZJ9ZTHdj9Oi/view?usp=drivesdk

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C5X3ijArAGNjioFnhhyf2inetUXNV04W/view?usp=drivesdk

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TSsVcxROf1DGT1soBGEfKdQHtnNX_zqQ/view?usp=drivesdk

[dgnr]

6 hours ago, marlingrl03 said:

Blurry but nice pic....

He just can't take his hands of him...awwwww 

[Alja]

Ay, Chorzow!

(Alja`s long-ass review, because this show does deserve much appreciation)

Cheap Early entry, so when we came there at noon and saw all the people there, it was like f*ck, how I`m going to make it to the rail and my favorite spot there?! I got a maker and I got number far over 100. Then some chaos around two o`clock, so I moved nearer to the front and hoped for the best. There was hell lot of people, they said half cloudy but clouds were on completely different part of the sky than sun and the hell on asphalt rose worse and worse, no one cared about the crowd, people were told they can leave their spots if the have numbers, but mostly they stayed anyway, security was not speaking English, my little advantage was that I mostly understand Polish because of language similarity. Then they started to call people by numbers, okay, I can go ... myself with that high one. First one hundred got into the space between end of the original queue beginning and actual gates. The earliest ones were there since early morning, but at least there were some accessible toilet boots. Soundcheck in Prague was shaking the metro station glass walls like a heaven entrance, Berlin was almost like a regular concert, this was short and rather messy. By four o`clock they let those first hundred pass and then opened the EE gate for the rest of us with no order, me running like a hell to the stage pretending that I always calmly walk like this around security, running shoes, comfy jeans, special waist bag which doesn`t hinder while running or dancing... entrance was on the Slash`s side, ton of people already there, so I continued running further and then suddenly people drew aside and a spot on rail in front part opened in front of me. I had some local teenage girls around and it was their first show, they were super cute and trembling excited, eyes shiny and thrilled. Sun was burning like crazy onto our backs and crowd became tight very soon, even before first opening act. There was no sign of medics or some care team and the heat was almost unbearable and no one provided any water. I went to get some water in stand for me and girls - and then successfully kicked residues down when the show really started. Security was unusually strict, like, I liked anti-smoking policy, and, as far as I know, no available alcohol inside, also beer was only non-alcohol. From overachieving part security explained that if Axl sees banner he will storm away and concert ends and other 90s legends and antics... Some banners were really nice, I`ve seen them in different shows, people talked to Gio and it was no problem as usual.

Both opening acts, Tyler Bryant and Volbeat were solid acts with vivid live show... like... that opening act scheme with little drum set front first, bigger drums behind and then GNR equipment, know your spot. Both bands were interactive with fans and ran around and employed all the space onstage available, which is pretty rare in opening acts. Also sun went behind the stadium rooftop so the heat became at least a little more bearable. The last blast of heat came from crowd pushing towards the rail with the beginning of intro-video.

With shadows longer and after new animation (yes, I increasingly hate guts of that tank part) the band hit the stage right on time, and it`s always a think which blows you, It`s so Easy topped with slightly nasty Mr.Brownstone tune and Axl`s signature dance where all you want is to get treated like his micstand, sound was clear and sharp and Axl was happy from the very moment he hit the stage. I have no idea what he did prior the show, but I haven`t seen him that happy and enthusiastic before. It looked like is walking up on pure energy, crowd was wild and rocking and... as much as Slash gets high on guitar, Axl gets high on crowd. Prague was excellent show and stays in my heart as my first time, but this was even more. Axl took banner You are in Poland, baby, to the stage, wore Poland scarf someone threw to the stage, he had a lot of fun with fans, interacting all the time, cheering, doing all that silly-funny stuff. It seems to me that he even didn`t go so deeply grieving and sad in pieces like TIL because how much he was soaked with happiness. And, as far as Axl is totally contagious, everyone was happy. Tons of Slaxl (touching, snuggling, little appreciation acts... and Axl really enjoys Slither) and Anyoneaxl, crowd people interaction included (Just Richard usually petrifies when Axl passes around). Of course Axl did his closet rounds, but mostly he was onstage and when he wasn`t in spotlight, he was dancing like no one was watching, just by himself on Slash`s solos somewhere in the backdrop. 

Others give much more stable performance, so as far as it was my third time, I enjoyed them. I always enjoy how music flows clearly through that guitarist who`s name Axl couldn`t remember so he had to ask crowd like three times... Slash it is, he makes the music flow to strings and to us, his little songs inside the song (I also sometimes play "find Slash with neck pose" game, when he appears near). Groovy, long-legged (and long-necked) peaceful warrior Duff. I was shooting on continuous and watching them outside the little screen an I got one cute smirk from Duff, later I found out photo is just not sharp. Richard was holding back most of the time and wasn`t that much stiff as he was in Berlin (still, that guy is so Stones` Ronnie Wood-ish, yet Ronnie is totally self-confident and easy going. Richard always looks sweetheart, too, also a bit frightened, even outside the stage), but as far as others were always somewhere near, sorry, Richard. The more shows I see, the more I appreciate Melissa. She has really nice singing voice and you would painfully hear if she wasn`t there (I`ve heard that she also stores some treats for guys when they pass around). Also that sub-bass thing which shakes your chest... The background sound filling every inch of the space.

The show was Axl`s heyday.

He always introduces them all, Dizzy two times (durin Estranged and then with others), Melissa with gentleman`s love and appreciation. Applause increases with every member and peaks with Slash`s introduction, yet no one ever introduces Axl. He deserves a round of applause, and this time the crowd would tear down the house, that`s how he rocked. 

He can command the crowd with a move of a finger and crowd answered as one. He talked and introduced songs little less than usual, but I anticipate bigger language barrier as usual, and he has inimitable body language anyway.

I fell for Axl`s bow at the end of the song in Berlin, enjoyable moments of little humble man, heart on his sleeve, giving you the best he can, all he has. Poof! concentrated Axl magic in that moment. 

As a bonus, he had shades only during like first two or three songs.

I got my beloved Yesterdays (as irregulars). I love Wichita Lineman, the way it`s "unplugged", clear thing, Axl singing in his basic voice, call it saving, call it whatever, but it`s full of feels and pure and simple, no forcing, no pushing, like... home. Like It`s All Right cover back then. He cannot do super-high clear notes like in times of recording CD, and has to catch rasps in some other, older songs, but still he has massive voice power through all the show and thing that really matters is the live show and the feels you cannot get from record. As far as the show was going great, Axl had the power, the confidence. And his little special magic, a soul of a child. First time surprise, now something I go for. He`s so clear and translucent, heart on his face, November Rain magic where his heart is, tranquil focus on piano of a child for whom the music is escape from the madness of the world, and that feeling that from all the songs, this is the one which matters the most (and I swear I somehow saw a little Elton John tribute inside the song). 

There was Slash`s solo Only Women Bleed on black double-neck at the beginning of KOHD, Axl didn`t sing, but it scratched my soul anyway (it`s one of my most soul-scratching songs).

With the continuing show, bras were flying towards the stage (I have never seen that amount of stuff thrown onstage on any GNR show), and rather than "I`m going home" guys discussed the size; there was a lady in the front who should buy another standing ticket for her boobs with big Mrs. Slash sign on them, was appreciated. Axl also got some plushies (how the hell they snuggled it when only A4 size bags were allowed?!), a rose... Also mostly due to total lack of care, people collapsed and had to be brought away much more frequently. Axl asked people not to push somewhere before Chinese Democracy and mostly it was OK, security guys were bringing their own bottled water, you got a sip ant then they took it and gave to another one. I really have no idea what about people in 4+ row. 

Encore came almost endless, five songs, Rosie included, Madagascar reappearance, tablecloth went down during The Seeker (second time and definitively), and, finally, Paradise City. On one side I was happy, because I was running out of energy and mainly dried out; Axl wasn`t. He was running around, enthusiastic ferret, cheering all the people on the sides of the stage, last blast, pass it on, take this feeling home and keep it in your heart. Three and a half hour and he looked like he could continue on a spot, if others weren`t tired. 

My best show ever (and massive treat after Berlin, it was unbelievable contrast).  

Sadly they closed the merch stand so I didn`t get to buy a tee. They also closed the soft drinks stand and although they still had supplies, you couldn`t get any water. 

It was great to see people excited, awe in "my" girls` eyes. I talked to random guys in train home in tees and one was like he bought cheap ticket last minute and they totally got him. That`s how it works.

I had pretty massive post-concert blues/hangover, no more tickets for this tour, recovering. 

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*edited because of some comlpaints on my cynicism and stuff to be politically correct. 

Edited July 12, 2018 by Alja

[MillionsOfSpiders]

Sorry, couldn’t get past the Auschwitz comment.

You should know better than that. 

[Tori72]

5 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Sorry, couldn’t get past the Auschwitz comment.

You should know better than that. 

What Auschwitz comment? You mean Duff’s tweet? 

[MillionsOfSpiders]

Just now, Tori72 said:

What Auschwitz comment? You mean Duff’s tweet? 

No, I mean in @Alja review. 

[Tori72]

1 minute ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

No, I mean in @Alja review. 

Ok, hadn’t read that. Did now until the first few lines. I reported that. That is so not on, so disrespectful, so cynical, so ignorant, I’m truly shocked. That is never ok for saying that. Thanks for pointing it out, Spidey.

[Ratam]

1 hour ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

No, I mean in @Alja review. 

I not read this part❓ seem she after edited this post❓

[MillionsOfSpiders]

1 hour ago, Ratam said:

I not read this part❓ seem she after edited this post❓

She compared lining up for a rock concert and getting a number written on her hand to “fucking Auschwitz” 

And then has gone on some weird rant about some other shit because I thought she should know better than that 

[killuridols]

1 minute ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

She compared lining up for a rock concert and getting a number written on her hand to “fucking Auschwitz” 

For someone who blindly follows Axl Rose, it makes sense.

Remember when he ignorantly compared the youth in Indiana to Auschwitz, in the early 90s? So probably this clown was trying to come up with the same ignorant comparison, since she thinks Axl and her are "soul mates" 

[MillionsOfSpiders]

Just now, killuridols said:

For someone who blindly follows Axl Rose, it makes sense.

Remember when he ignorantly compared the youth in Indiana to Auschwitz, in the early 90s? So probably this clown was trying to come up with the same ignorant comparison, since she thinks Axl and her are "soul mates" 

Yes, his comment was just as pathetic too. Inexcusable as well. 

Didn’t like lining up to get a number without explanation - but you are free to leave any time you like... wtf 

[killuridols]

Just now, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Didn’t like lining up to get a number without explanation - but you are free to leave any time you like... wtf 

Yes. And also, you are lining up to something you CHOSE to do, for a show you want to see, for something you enjoy and chose with total freedom, and yes, like you said, can leave at any time you want.

Obviously, she lives everything with such anger that all she could think about was comparing her trivial and shallow situation to that of millions whowere forced to line up for their death 

Im not sure this is ignorance. This is plain malice. Something really evil.

[Lio]

Don't you think you're all blowing it up? It was in poor taste, but this contest of who's had a worse life or who's ignorant or evil is ridiculous. Most people on here don't know each other in real life, so maybe it's best to leave the personal stuff out of it or quit assuming anyone knows what everyone else has been through.

It was in poor taste, people who were offended have vented about it, it has been adjusted and if you really can't stand each other, just ignore each other and move on.

Not picking anyone's side here, btw.

[killuridols]

Intolerance should never be overlooked or ignored.

[alfierose]

Thank you for the reports. I see the comments in the original post have been removed. 

1 hour ago, Lio said:

It was in poor taste, people who were offended have vented about it, it has been adjusted and if you really can't stand each other, just ignore each other and move on.

I think what Lio says is good advice to avoid the thread being fully derailed. Thanks

[Tori72]

6 minutes ago, alfierose said:

Thank you for the reports. I see the comments in the original post have been removed. 

I think what Lio says is good advice to avoid the thread being fully derailed. Thanks

Thanks for commenting. Though I must say I’m disappointed with the outcome. Poor taste is white socks in sandals. Ignorant and hateful comments like that one and then later on attacking those people who called her out and reported it, is something else to me. I’m very careful with hateful comments, might the be racist, sexist, anti-semite or other. I think we all should be. Especially when the person who uttered it doesn’t show any signs of understanding or self-criticism.

 

[killuridols]

4 minutes ago, Tori72 said:

Thanks for commenting. Though I must say I’m disappointed with the outcome. Poor taste is white socks in sandals. Ignorant and hateful comments like that one and then later on attacking those people who called her out and reported it, is something else to me. I’m very careful with hateful comments, might the be racist, sexist, anti-semite or other. I think we all should be. Especially when the person who uttered it doesn’t show any signs of understanding or self-criticism.

Totally agree!

What is the message that we are sending here? That you can make comments like that and everybody has to HUSH HUSH because it is better to be silent than to shake the status quo?

 

[Politania]

1 minute ago, Tori72 said:

Thanks for commenting. Though I must say I’m disappointed with the outcome. Poor taste is white socks in sandals. Ignorant and hateful comments like that one and then later on attacking those people who called her out and reported it, is something else to me. I’m very careful with hateful comments, might the be racist, sexist, anti-semite or other. I think we all should be. Especially when the person who uttered it doesn’t show any signs of understanding or self-criticism.

 

But why did you call out ppl who liked her post? 

[killuridols]

13 minutes ago, Politania said:

But why did you call out ppl who liked her post? 

She didn't. All she said is that it was evident for all of us, except those who liked her post, that making that comparison was an ignorant move.

[alfierose]

17 minutes ago, Tori72 said:

Thanks for commenting. Though I must say I’m disappointed with the outcome. Poor taste is white socks in sandals. Ignorant and hateful comments like that one and then later on attacking those people who called her out and reported it, is something else to me. I’m very careful with hateful comments, might the be racist, sexist, anti-semite or other. I think we all should be. Especially when the person who uttered it doesn’t show any signs of understanding or self-criticism.

 

I understand Tori although I haven't seen the actual comments because they were deleted before I got the report.

@Aljaisn't helping herself by doubling down on the comments rather than apologising for the obvious offence caused.

However I stand by not wanting the thread to turn into pages of angry argument that will undoubtably turn very personal.

[Politania]

7 minutes ago, killuridols said:

She didn't. All she said is that it was evident for all of us, except those who liked her post, that making that comparison was an ignorant move.

Ppl who liked her post arent blind. We all saw what she wrote. Comparision which she used wasn’t right one, but everything else was great, because it was her point of view and her feeling about the concert. That is the reason why i liked her post, and other ppl, im sure did too.

[killuridols]

2 minutes ago, Politania said:

Ppl who liked her post arent blind. We all saw what she wrote. Comparision which she used wasn’t right one, but everything else was great, because it was her point of view and her feeling about the concert. That is the reason why i liked her post, and other ppl, im sure did too.

Ok.

[Rocketqueen76]

On a brighter note....a certain guitar playing English lad has a b-day coming up. I can’t wait to see what celebratory masterpiece @Andy14 comes up with.

[Rocketqueen76]

35 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Totally agree!

What is the message that we are sending here? That you can make comments like that and everybody has to HUSH HUSH because it is better to be silent than to shake the status quo?

 

There is song that has line that says, sometimes the best way to say something is to say nothing at all. So in a sense, yes. Because if we don’t feed negativity it doesn’t have a chance to escalate.