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13 minutes ago, Rocketqueen76 said:

I hate the whole "no homo" thing. Women don't go around saying "no lesbo" whenever we compliment, hug, or touch another woman in a non sexual way. It really is pathetic who far men go to prove how big their cocks are.

While ago I was volunteering and there were three commerades 55+ with a group of teenage boys; most of them had never actually see any male figure in their families and these ol' guys showed them men friendship - they were one amazing touchy bunch. It's time to bring men friendship back!

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4 minutes ago, Frey said:

Yeah it's not something that gets talked about a lot.

But in general I get the impression that women being into guy on guy action (whether vanilla or not so vanilla) is something much more common than most people assume. Not just from this thread, but also from the internet at large lol. I learned long ago that women write tons of gay fan fiction and so on for their favorite TV shows, books, etc (though I was kinda surprised when I realized they do that with their favorite bands (or more specifically this band) too lol).

(Also I didn't mean to imply there was anything wrong with women who are into watching men in less vanilla ways. I realize what I said kind of sounded like that, so sorry for that. And I'm sure there are plenty of female GNR fans who are into less vanilla variants of Slaxl too

100% Correct kind sir. I actually belong to a writing group that writes gay smut for a particular show. I guess the stigma that GOGA is sexy and MOMA induces an ick factor has always been there.

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3 minutes ago, Alja said:

While ago I was volunteering and there were three commerades 55+ with a group of teenage boys; most of them had never actually see any male figure in their families and these ol' guys showed them men friendship - they were one amazing touchy bunch. It's time to bring men friendship back!

I couldn't agree more.

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42 minutes ago, Frey said:

Yeah, that's the impression I get as well. But it does kind of confirm the stereotypes of women being more romantically inclined than men and more focused on emotions and feelings, while men only think of one thing :lol:

I am girl friend of many guys and they are mostly romantic and craving for intimacy af. Both straight and gay. You just have to get under that rough defensive skin to get it. Many male tears were dried on my shoulder. 

Rocket Queen also has very romantic outro.

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2 hours ago, Rocketqueen76 said:

We don't agree on things very often, but this I agree with 1000% Guys that like GOGA are in it for the pure carnal pleasure of it. If it helps them get off, the actual relationship between the girls is of no consequence.

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that's because you assume stuff about me without knowing me for real.....

I'm good -_-

1 hour ago, Rocketqueen76 said:

I hate the whole "no homo" thing. Women don't go around saying "no lesbo" whenever we compliment, hug, or touch another woman in a non sexual way. It really is pathetic how far men go to prove how big their cocks are.

Gotta blame all that on the Patriarchism :shrugs:

Men stress over seeming gay because Patriarchism force them to be act and appear tough and not show their emotions nor their affection towards other men, because those things are women's territory only. :facepalm:

1 hour ago, Frey said:

Yeah, that's the impression I get as well. But it does kind of confirm the stereotypes of women being more romantically inclined than men and more focused on emotions and feelings, while men only think of one thing :lol:

Not sure it is an stereotype, rather the effects of patriarchism as well....

People do not realize how bad that shit it is... and that it affects both men and women.... because if men were allowed to display their emotions and show their feelings openly towards everyone (other men, women, kids, animals) they would not suffer and repress these emotions and feelings so much. Therefore, wouldn't have to go tiptoeing around what looks gay or not gay, what makes them look female, because female it is always bad.

On the other hand, women are allowed to be emotional and touchy and sensitive but not allowed to be opinionated, show a strong character or express their sexual desires. Women have to cover their basic instincts and act like they don't feel that way, shove the anger down their throats and never scream or cuss, otherwise they are seen as psycho, crazy, not well up there and similar things guys are not called when expressing their feelings.

It just sucks the amount of damage we've done to ourselves :unsure:

 

 

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2 hours ago, Frey said:

You're taking this too seriously :lol:

It's just a joke or a day dream type thing for many people and for those who take this Slaxl thing a little more seriously... well, they're not totally off base imo. An argument can be made for Slaxl being real in some ways, as some people have demonstrated. It all depends on how you look at things.

 

Yeah, I also agree with this. Doing that does kind of imply that there'd be something wrong or offensive about a potential Slaxl relationship, which is kinda homophobic, technically speaking.

Considering I have had gay family members and friends who have been attacked, physically, for being gay, I  fully understand firsthand the magnitude of what happens when people are homophobic - I am the last person to be doing anything homophobic. I don't think the Slaxl stuff is objectionable because it's M/M.

I don't think there's anything wrong with whatever one wants to daydream, and as I said, if it floats their boat to ponder a fictional slash relationship, it's all good. To each their own. I don't think there's anything wrong about that, nor do I think it would be wrong if any of the male band members actually were involved with each other. But I don't get it at all, or get why it would be fun at all to squee over supposed relationships this way. And I'd feel the same way if they were squeeing over a fictional relationship between Axl and, I don't know, Desi, or whoever.

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16 minutes ago, killuridols said:

that's because you assume stuff about me without knowing me for real.....

No offense intended, but....pot meet kettle. 

 

18 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Gotta blame all that on the Patriarchism :shrugs:

Men stress over seeming gay because Patriarchism force them to be act and appear tough and not show their emotions nor their affection towards other men, because those things are women's territory only. :facepalm:

Yes this absolutely! Men are taught at an early age that expressing feelings equals being weak or sissified. I personally believe it takes a strong man to be able to wear their heart on their sleeve and be open and honest emotionally.

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27 minutes ago, Rocketqueen76 said:

No offense intended, but....pot meet kettle. 

 

Yes this absolutely! Men are taught at an early age that expressing feelings equals being weak or sissified. I personally believe it takes a strong man to be able to wear their heart on their sleeve and be open and honest emotionally.

That I will agree with. :) I remember reading something about how important it was for little boys to see their fathers cry and show emotion and to learn that feelings weren't "weak."

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1 hour ago, killuridols said:

Not sure it is an stereotype, rather the effects of patriarchism as well....

People do not realize how bad that shit it is... and that it affects both men and women.... because if men were allowed to display their emotions and show their feelings openly towards everyone (other men, women, kids, animals) they would not suffer and repress these emotions and feelings so much. Therefore, wouldn't have to go tiptoeing around what looks gay or not gay, what makes them look female, because female it is always bad.

On the other hand, women are allowed to be emotional and touchy and sensitive but not allowed to be opinionated, show a strong character or express their sexual desires. Women have to cover their basic instincts and act like they don't feel that way, shove the anger down their throats and never scream or cuss, otherwise they are seen as psycho, crazy, not well up there and similar things guys are not called when expressing their feelings.

Yeah, it's a stereotype deriving from patriarchy.

There has been progress in regards to deconstruction of gender related stereotypes that is visible in everyday life and relationship, but the gay/"no homo" thing remains intact to a large extent. I know guys who are not afraid to show emotion and affection and they are also generally open-minded and educated. Yet, and although they don't mind having gay men around (in their workplace for example) and they get along (they may even have gay friends), they feel very uncomfortable when they see men kissing even in play, a movie or on TV; they feel "threatened".

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2 hours ago, Blackstar said:

Yeah, it's a stereotype deriving from patriarchy.

There has been progress in regards to deconstruction of gender related stereotypes that is visible in everyday life and relationship, but the gay/"no homo" thing remains intact to a large extent. I know guys who are not afraid to show emotion and affection and they are also generally open-minded and educated. Yet, and although they don't mind having gay men around (in their workplace for example) and they get along (they may even have gay friends), they feel very uncomfortable when they see men kissing even in play, a movie or on TV; they feel "threatened".

That's what I said -_-

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OMG, this shit is fucked up.... :suspicious:

I'll paste a little part because the drama is looooong (like Brazilian soap operas) so you read the rest at the link provided below.

'Brazilian model accuses Edmonton Oilers owner of offering money for sex'

In a legal action launched this week in New York, Brazilian model and Jane the Virgin actress Greice Santo accuses Katz of offering her money for sex during a photo shoot for Viva Glam Magazine in Hawaii.

"He would pay me 20 thousand per day and would see me 5-6 times a month," says Santo in a handwritten complaint made to the Hawaii police that is contained in the lawsuit.

....

Unconventional lawsuit

The lawsuit itself is far from conventional.

"By any standard, Katz is not a handsome man," it reads. "What he lacks in physical presence, he tries to overcompensate with his bankroll."

Cipriani alleges in court documents Katz used a magazine called Viva Glam "to procure beautiful women for his own personal pleasure."

"One such photo shoot in Hawaii, included Plaintiff's wife where Katz assisted by Gelmon inappropriately pursued Plaintiff's wife," reads the document.

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But the claim says while Santo's other "suitors" such as Leonardo DiCaprio, Axl Rose, John Stamos and Jim Carrey have all "accepted no for an answer," Katz did not. 

"Plaintiff's wife is no stranger to being pursued by rich powerful men and, with the exception of Katz/Gelmon, it was always done with a certain je ne sais quoi," it says.

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/santo-katz-defamation-lawsuit-1.4059574

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So what do you think about this? :confused:

I'm always on the side of women but there's something here that doesn't seem right and if it's true..... then poor Axl :unsure:..... is he really that desperate or is it TB trying to arrange him marriages with Brazilian women and they never seem to work out? 

I'm seriously confused about all this and for the first time I feel bad for him, if this thing is real, she didn't have to expose Axl and the other guys like that.....

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:wow: So Axl's "friend" finally makes her return. I remember when she first appeared in this thread and people were making fun of her being coyly referred to like that everywhere. I had a feeling we'd be hearing from her again.

It's not totally clear from the article if Axl (and the other guys) made her similiar offers as the old creep, or if Axl/they just pursued her in a more normal manner.

But I agree that this seems to have TB written all over it. :facepalm: And wouldn't be shocked to hear if there was money involved as well.

Either Axl is way more lonely and desperate than you'd think or TB is even creepier than we assumed for constantly throwing young women at him and even arranging for what basically amounts to prostitution. :scared: (But then again Andrei The Douche is basically a pimp, and one of TBs closest friends, so why should we even be surprised :facepalm:)

 

11 hours ago, stella said:

Considering I have had gay family members and friends who have been attacked, physically, for being gay, I  fully understand firsthand the magnitude of what happens when people are homophobic - I am the last person to be doing anything homophobic. I don't think the Slaxl stuff is objectionable because it's M/M.

I don't think there's anything wrong with whatever one wants to daydream, and as I said, if it floats their boat to ponder a fictional slash relationship, it's all good. To each their own. I don't think there's anything wrong about that, nor do I think it would be wrong if any of the male band members actually were involved with each other. But I don't get it at all, or get why it would be fun at all to squee over supposed relationships this way. And I'd feel the same way if they were squeeing over a fictional relationship between Axl and, I don't know, Desi, or whoever.

Wasn't directed at you @stella. I was talking about the general tendency some people seem to have to constantly yell "It's not real!". Which is a similar phenomenon to "no homo" behavior imo.

11 hours ago, killuridols said:

:unsure:

that's because you assume stuff about me without knowing me for real.....

I'm good -_-

Gotta blame all that on the Patriarchism :shrugs:

Men stress over seeming gay because Patriarchism force them to be act and appear tough and not show their emotions nor their affection towards other men, because those things are women's territory only. :facepalm:

Not sure it is an stereotype, rather the effects of patriarchism as well....

People do not realize how bad that shit it is... and that it affects both men and women.... because if men were allowed to display their emotions and show their feelings openly towards everyone (other men, women, kids, animals) they would not suffer and repress these emotions and feelings so much. Therefore, wouldn't have to go tiptoeing around what looks gay or not gay, what makes them look female, because female it is always bad.

On the other hand, women are allowed to be emotional and touchy and sensitive but not allowed to be opinionated, show a strong character or express their sexual desires. Women have to cover their basic instincts and act like they don't feel that way, shove the anger down their throats and never scream or cuss, otherwise they are seen as psycho, crazy, not well up there and similar things guys are not called when expressing their feelings.

It just sucks the amount of damage we've done to ourselves :unsure:

I don't disagree, but how exactly sexual/romatic preferences like that are determined (if it's all socia/societal influence or if there's also a biological factor involved) is up for debate of course.

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Andy14 said:

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Yep, just saw this on Instagram today as well. I barely can identify the blonde. The caption says it's Donatella Versace? I observed the champagne is with the others and Axl is sticking to his coke can. :lol:

I really enjoyed reading all about your patriarchy criticism and analysing how it not only affects women and their freedom but also men's. I totally go with all you wrote.

One more word on the Slaxl and things involved. I don't think there's anything wrong with any fantasy people could have. Be it Saxl or whatever floats your boat. I would never mind if any of the band members (or anyone really) had any homosexual action going on. The freedom of every individual to do the fuck the want with their lifes (as long as they don't interfere with the freedom of anyone else, I wanna add) is a real important issue to me and I'm glad to read that this is the case for you guys here too. (I wasn't assuming anything else, as I felt I fould read it between lines and from comments and side notes of so many posts from so many of you here in this thread.)

The brazilian soap opera: I don't get it. Or, I read it differently. I read it as Leonardo and Axl and the other named took No for an answer and did not offer money for sex. So I don't see the problem for Axl here. I don't know about Greice Santo or why she felt the need to name other "suitors". It seems to me like a cry for attention an a rather primitive level. Saying that, I don't see any reason why to doubt her accusation she acutally made against the Katz guy. Mostly those kind of claims made from women are accurate, only a tiny percantage of rape claims (for example, I know she did'nt accuse Katz of it) are false. So whatever happend to her might well be true. Which is awful in itself.

Having said that, I gotta ask you: I read here that many of you think that Sasha is an escort which puts Axl exactly into that position with her. as Katz is in with  Into whatever detail they go or not (I don't wanne know. Really). But that is also kind of sleazy. (Might not be the right word.) I tend not to care whether TB is involved or not. Axl is a grown man and as far as we know he is capable of being responsible for himself. So, where's the diference? ... :shrugs:

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