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On 30/5/2019 at 11:23 PM, janrichmond said:

Just gonna say I personally have no problem with any lyrics from GNR. They're a rock band , to me it's all part of the package or image, sex,drugs and rock n roll. Duff should admit the truth, there's no saints in GNR. 

 

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On 31/05/2019 at 8:23 AM, janrichmond said:

Just gonna say I personally have no problem with any lyrics from GNR. They're a rock band , to me it's all part of the package or image, sex,drugs and rock n roll. Duff should admit the truth, there's no saints in GNR. 

Agreed 100%

Just to be real fucking clear; I am not a feminist and never will be...ever! :lol:

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On 31/05/2019 at 6:23 AM, janrichmond said:

Just gonna say I personally have no problem with any lyrics from GNR. They're a rock band , to me it's all part of the package or image, sex,drugs and rock n roll. Duff should admit the truth, there's no saints in GNR. 

 

Agree jan and the more he tries to backpeddle on the lyrics  the more he looks like a dick. 

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9 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Duff McKagan doesn’t consider himself much of an activist. “I give to charity,” he says, “but I do it in a silent way that I think is righteous.” Lately, he’s starting to feel more comfortable talking openly about how he makes a difference in the world.

:lol:

I saw his and Susan’s instagram posts from the music cares charity event they went to a couple of weeks ago. They donated 8,000 dollars, a signed Duff McKagan Fender bass guitar and a portion of proceeds from Susan’s book. 

I know this because they posted it about ten times! 

I don't like this Duff very much

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1 hour ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Duff McKagan doesn’t consider himself much of an activist. “I give to charity,” he says, “but I do it in a silent way that I think is righteous.” Lately, he’s starting to feel more comfortable talking openly about how he makes a difference in the world.

:lol:

I saw his and Susan’s instagram posts from the music cares charity event they went to a couple of weeks ago. They donated 8,000 dollars, a signed Duff McKagan Fender bass guitar and a portion of proceeds from Susan’s book. 

I know this because they posted it about ten times! 

I noticed that, hard not to really :lol: He'll be filming himself feeding the homeless before we know it :dj:

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5 hours ago, Georgina Arriaga said:

I don't like this Duff very much

Maybe hes starting to feel really guilty for the financial success he has 🙄.

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Hi! Long time no see :P 

Anyway, this Duff...I felt like saying something as well, keeping the shade going and all :awesomeface: I hate this Duff, like a huge feeling of dislike for him -  and god knows how much I love this giraffe for real. But wtf. I was ok with Duff the peace-maker, Duff the yoga instructor, Duff the King of kale smoothies McKagan, but this Duff is a no-no. Bring Izzy Duff back :max:

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Even though it seems contradictory to say he does charity in a silent way and then his wife posts photos or videos of them doing charity, I would give them the benefit of doubt by thinking those kind of posts (with the reach they have to thousands of people) could inspire others to do the same.

It's not entirely bad to "promote" your charity act if at the same time you are exposing a situation that it is not widely known to the general public or if you are helping a NGO to get more visibility. In that sense, their popularity is useful for a lot of people.

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7 hours ago, killuridols said:

Even though it seems contradictory to say he does charity in a silent way and then his wife posts photos or videos of them doing charity, I would give them the benefit of doubt by thinking those kind of posts (with the reach they have to thousands of people) could inspire others to do the same.

It's not entirely bad to "promote" your charity act if at the same time you are exposing a situation that it is not widely known to the general public or if you are helping a NGO to get more visibility. In that sense, their popularity is useful for a lot of people.

 Wasn't Axl asked at China exchange about charity work?  Their popularity could be the foundation of innumerable good deeds and they mustn't keep mum.

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2 hours ago, brig said:

 Wasn't Axl asked at China exchange about charity work?  Their popularity could be the foundation of innumerable good deeds and they mustn't keep mum.

Yeah, but his answer was kind of poor in my weak recollection of that event.

Im sure they all participate of charity work in one way or another and I don't like criticizing them for that.

Actually, I have this perception that most middle-upper class USA citizens have the charity work incorporated in their lives as something they regularly do.

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Just now, alfierose said:

I remember when that photo leaked of Axl visiting a teenage cancer ward. It wasn't until a few years later we heard about it. He probably does all kinds of stuff, I just don't think he's the type to talk about it.

Well... Axl hardly talks about anything, really :lol:

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16 hours ago, dgnr said:

Hi! Long time no see :P 

Anyway, this Duff...I felt like saying something as well, keeping the shade going and all :awesomeface: I hate this Duff, like a huge feeling of dislike for him -  and god knows how much I love this giraffe for real. But wtf. I was ok with Duff the peace-maker, Duff the yoga instructor, Duff the King of kale smoothies McKagan, but this Duff is a no-no. Bring Izzy Duff back :max:

I noticed you hadn’t been around for a while - it’s good to see you! 

I’m just joking really about his charity bragging and all - but his re-writing the past and saying GnR don’t objectify women in interviews has made me wanna throw plenty of shade the giraffes way :lol:

It annoyed me so much I ignored his new tour videos and I just couldn’t listen to his new album when it first came out - I have listend to it now but I skipped straight past his fake feminism track, that is just a huge NOPE from me! I can’t listen to that bullshit! 

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30 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

I’m just joking really about his charity bragging and all - but his re-writing the past and saying GnR don’t objectify women in interviews has made me wanna throw plenty of shade the giraffes way :lol:

:lol:

I feel ya, sistah!

Been thinking a lot about it.... I need to understand why he did that, though..... Because Duff was never THAT BAD in my book, aside from being an alcoholic and kind of dumb when he was young, Im not sure he was a shit guy to women, like other band members...... maybe Im wrong, I don't know much about Duff in that regard :shrugs:.... he's also like the only band member with a steady, sort of "normal" family now..... but I wonder if it is his insecurity towards Axl or Slash what makes him have this hypocrite speech now..... or is it his loyalty to those guys?

Also, what he said was in the context of trying to differentiate himself (or themselves) from people like Trump.... which is weird too..... Axl and Duff, they seem to have an obsession with Trump and with distancing themselves from him..... why is that? :question:

 

Edit: I have not listened to his album neither his feminist song.... is it worth analyzing lyrics? :lol:
Im really not motivated to listen to anything from this band, lol.... and last time I listened to Duff stuff I thought it sucked and he had a horrible voice :facepalm:

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20 hours ago, dgnr said:

Hi! Long time no see :P 

Anyway, this Duff...I felt like saying something as well, keeping the shade going and all :awesomeface: I hate this Duff, like a huge feeling of dislike for him -  and god knows how much I love this giraffe for real. But wtf. I was ok with Duff the peace-maker, Duff the yoga instructor, Duff the King of kale smoothies McKagan, but this Duff is a no-no. Bring Izzy Duff back :max:

Welcome back! and I want Duff to just be honest and say 'we wrote some dodgy stuff back then because that's what we were' or something to that effect. 🦒

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4 hours ago, janrichmond said:

Welcome back! and I want Duff to just be honest and say 'we wrote some dodgy stuff back then because that's what we were' or something to that effect. 🦒

Yeah, that's kind of the approach Slash has taken in his interviews. Honestly all these Duff interviews and podcasts have gotten kind of boring. Same stuff repeated over and over.

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On 11/6/2019 at 12:48 AM, janrichmond said:

Welcome back! and I want Duff to just be honest and say 'we wrote some dodgy stuff back then because that's what we were' or something to that effect. 🦒

Yeah,exactly this! Back then they wrote from another state of mind/life frame...Street rats etc... That was the way they used to see and interpret what was going on around,as a part of it.

And i can not really tell if they overgeneralise the meaning of the lyrics or if some songs are targeted to certain persons,or certain moments/incidents...

But can not people change their views over the years as their life change too? Duff for so long is a family man, father,worldwide acceptable musician etc...

I can not know what's goin on his head about women but i can not see hypocrisy in the whole tenderness thing... And he's not talking about a lovely lovey dovey romantic relationship...I take it as we need more compassion in our relationships, let it be friendship,whatever kind of intimate bond...

... I take with a grain of salt the trials to reforn the whole GNR lyrics meaning,from whoever they come from...

I think there are some thin lines,we can not totally cross and get, what a musician talks about...And i also think that some musicians have said things like'Oh i wrote that shit in my youth,on drugs, booze, etc...Today?Naahh, not even!"

Call it maturity?conformism maybe,change through experience?idk, whatever...

But rock is surely not about angels happy flying in the meadows spreading flowers to everybody all day long :lol:... So, i prefer honesty with no sugar coated excuses,like it or not, truth is always better than a good  lie... Haven't read the latest Duff's statements due to lack of time but i created an idea from your comments... But once, i've heard very carefully this so i just leave it here... I'm not taking anyone's place, i just prefer to listen the pure, rough truth as hard as it is, then i decide if i agree or not..

 

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11 hours ago, Lillie said:

But rock is surely not about angels happy flying in the meadows spreading flowers to everybody all day long :lol:... So, i prefer honesty with no sugar coated excuses,like it or not, truth is always better than a good  lie... Haven't read the latest Duff's statements due to lack of time but i created an idea from your comments... But once, i've heard very carefully this so i just leave it here... I'm not taking anyone's place, i just prefer to listen the pure, rough truth as hard as it is, then i decide if i agree or not..

I agree rock was never about happy angels flying in the sky but how come you get a sweet beautiful song like SCOM coming from the same mouth that spat "police & n-----" or "immigrants & f------"?

Honesty has nothing to do with insults and discrimination. I firmly believe that rock n' roll has to EVOLVE with the times, and this is not to say they should be writing lyrics about flowers, butterflies and happiness, but what would be the point to perpetuate hatred on women or minority groups in 2019? :shrugs:

There is so much rock could protest against, the world is fucked up in serious ways, targeting innocent people is bullshit and I would not support new music made in this century which lyrics aimed to hurt people because of their gender, sexual, racial or religious orientation. Don't we have enough destruction in the real world to top it with music that supports such horrifying acts?

The Duff in the interview that you posted is the same Duff from the newest interviews. He is uncomfortable with the questions about ISE and he starts saying that this song is "very much tongue-in-cheek, not mysoginist in any way", then the interviewer asks him how does he explain these lyrics to his daughters but she doesn't let him finish the answer he was giving, so all he got to say about that was that he thinks there's a "spirit of rock n roll" that is "above mysoginy and homophobia" and that is related to "primal sex".

I don't know what to make from that.... While I understand what he means, I'm having a hard time to relate the lines in ISE with a healthy consented sexual relationship... Not saying it cannot happen but if I was "the bitch" in those lines, I would have turned around and bite his dick off :lol:

 

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2 hours ago, killuridols said:

I agree rock was never about happy angels flying in the sky but how come you get a sweet beautiful song like SCOM coming from the same mouth that spat "police & n-----" or "immigrants & f------"?

Honesty has nothing to do with insults and discrimination. I firmly believe that rock n' roll has to EVOLVE with the times, and this is not to say they should be writing lyrics about flowers, butterflies and happiness, but what would be the point to perpetuate hatred on women or minority groups in 2019? :shrugs:

There is so much rock could protest against, the world is fucked up in serious ways, targeting innocent people is bullshit and I would not support new music made in this century which lyrics aimed to hurt people because of their gender, sexual, racial or religious orientation. Don't we have enough destruction in the real world to top it with music that supports such horrifying acts?

The Duff in the interview that you posted is the same Duff from the newest interviews. He is uncomfortable with the questions about ISE and he starts saying that this song is "very much tongue-in-cheek, not mysoginist in any way", then the interviewer asks him how does he explain these lyrics to his daughters but she doesn't let him finish the answer he was giving, so all he got to say about that was that he thinks there's a "spirit of rock n roll" that is "above mysoginy and homophobia" and that is related to "primal sex".

I don't know what to make from that.... While I understand what he means, I'm having a hard time to relate the lines in ISE with a healthy consented sexual relationship... Not saying it cannot happen but if I was "the bitch" in those lines, I would have turned around and bite his dick off :lol:

 

Well,you first mentioned one in a million,a song written so many years before,under certain personal circumstances and experiences.Axl  had made his statement towards it in an interview,there is a video on ytube..I think he makes his views clear..He sounds overgeneralising,but he clarifies that the lyrics were targeted to certain people he had troubles with..

I can clearly see the avoidance in Duff"s face,but nor Duff neither Axl are not ruling the world..They are just people who became famous from the gutter through their talent and under the whole sleezy rnr image...GNR are not responsible about the shit was going on around the world nor they can change a bit,whatever lyrics they may write.. I don't believe that art can change the world,it may help you think and act accordingly,critical thought,filters or monkey chewing is listener's problem,not writter's...

Sometimes exposing the tough nasty truth,may works as an example to avoid,not to copy!

For me,It's all a matter of education,not necessarily academic..Some things you never learn in school or university.....

If music was enough to move vast majority  of masses to change their minds and acts,I think that after every Iron Maiden concert or Rock Metal festival,masses would have been out in the streets the very next day to protest against whatever..Instead people look after their own business,household,family,their own little world trynna protect what is left for them to keep them alive  trying the everyday...Fear?I cannot tell 

I never believed that art has had such power to move stones..It may only move you emotionally,help you put some steam off,relief  n go back in your routine...

 

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And unfortunately people can not coexist happily in peace n friendship all in good terms cause there are so much inequities..Goverments,politicians are responsible to handle this,to bring a balance..We are all a part of the worst jungle cause an animal will kill only to eat,like we are animal killers.Although people kill ,abuse misuse betray take advantage of others in so many damned ways that sometimes I wish I was a dog or a cat anything but human 

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2 hours ago, Lillie said:

Well,you first mentioned one in a million,a song written so many years before,under certain personal circumstances and experiences.Axl  had made his statement towards it in an interview,there is a video on ytube..I think he makes his views clear..He sounds overgeneralising,but he clarifies that the lyrics were targeted to certain people he had troubles with..

I have read and seen every explanation that Axl has given regarding the song and my conclusion is that he was an ignorant, arrogant fuck and that OIAM is a horrible song, lyrics wise, that I will never play or listen to again.

Clarifying that he was aiming the message to specific people makes it even worse of an excuse, because then it means he didn't give a fuck about the black people who were not like that, the gay people who were not like that, neither that in the future a family of immigrants would be the only family that he would have.

So.... that's it for me. Obviously, it is my opinion and my stance. I do not expect other people to share my views, but I will defend them if given the chance.

2 hours ago, Lillie said:

I can clearly see the avoidance in Duff"s face,but nor Duff neither Axl are not ruling the world..They are just people who became famous from the gutter through their talent and under the whole sleezy rnr image...GNR are not responsible about the shit was going on around the world nor they can change a bit,whatever lyrics they may write.. I don't believe that art can change the world,it may help you think and act accordingly,critical thought,filters or monkey chewing is listener's problem,not writter's...

Well, who rules the world anyway?... is there one person who does this? :question: I don't think so....

We are all responsible for our own behaviors, for the way we treat others, and those who are parents are responsible for the way they educate their children.

All of us make this world together, even if we live in societies, if we are lucky enough to live in democracies, just because we have governments and delegate certain tasks on specific people, this doesn't relevate us from the responsability we have as citizens and human beings, so I don't know what you mean by that........ when you make music and you're famous, your voice sounds louder than other voices. I think some sort of responsability comes with that, and while I dont think musicians are responsible for the education of people, I do think the weight of their message DOES affect some people.

Duff himself says in that interview you posted that many people tell him that his music changed their lives, so there you have it, the influence is evident.

2 hours ago, Lillie said:

Sometimes exposing the tough nasty truth,may works as an example to avoid,not to copy!

It depends on how you say it, though!

If you say "immigrants & f------, they make no sense to me", most people will interpret those lines in a literal way. Obviously, it will depend on your own education how those lines impact on you, but I wouldn't be surprised that someone who is searching for a job sees a bunch of immigrants waiting in the same line as them, then learns one of those people got the job, this person returns home all frustrated and listens to OIAM..... that's how the resentment is born.

Same happens with media... in my country, the media is constantly sending a negative message about immigrants. They are always showing news about how immigrants are involved in all sorts of crimes. Then you have the population fearing immigrants even if they never interacted with one. Then you have people asking the government to get more strict with immigration laws.

People are highly influenced by these type of messages.

2 hours ago, Lillie said:

For me,It's all a matter of education,not necessarily academic..Some things you never learn in school or university.....

That's when you are lucky to get a good education from your family. This is not the case for a lot of people. More people than you think.

2 hours ago, Lillie said:

As for the ISE well I love it! I take no offense as a woman,cause it says Me this:Sex is so easy ,if sex is your only motivation n u can do nothing useful and constructive but this,then so be it! I never saw it as a confrontation towards females,like they are for F@@ only.

Well, he DOES say "bitch, I've got a use for you" and that use is sex, so if you are not able to read that as what it is, I dont know what to tell you.... :shrugs:

Reducing human beings to mere sexual objects is.... depicable in my view, so I do not agree with that. I do not take "personal offense" but I know I wouldn't like to have any kind of relationship with someone who treats me that way.

I know raw sex, or "primal sex" like Duff described it, does exist and some people like engaging on it.... It is not my cup of tea, though.... I guess that, as long as this is a consexual act between adults and they agree to the terms of it, then it is fine...... but this is hard to figure out from the lines of that song, since the only one "talking" is the man in the relationship.

2 hours ago, Lillie said:

And y know what,I may sing it for a poser fuckboy 😉 Or a hoe who got in between me and my man...Every gender,race,culture has black sheeps and what I find hypocritical and overdramatic is to trynna turn a blind eye on ours or other's shit,with the excuse of weakness...

Hmm... I'm sorry but when you say "hoe" to refer to a third person in your relationship, that shows how your brain has been molded to think in patriarchal terms.

Not trying to defend someone who willingly accepts to interfer someone else's relationship, but shouldn't you be mad at "your man" more than at her?

Your man is responsible for respecting you, other women too, but if you are exclusive with someone, the commitment is between you and him.

 

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