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2 hours ago, killuridols said:

I have read and seen every explanation that Axl has given regarding the song and my conclusion is that he was an ignorant, arrogant fuck and that OIAM is a horrible song, lyrics wise, that I will never play or listen to again.

Clarifying that he was aiming the message to specific people makes it even worse of an excuse, because then it means he didn't give a fuck about the black people who were not like that, the gay people who were not like that, neither that in the future a family of immigrants would be the only family that he would have.

So.... that's it for me. Obviously, it is my opinion and my stance. I do not expect other people to share my views, but I will defend them if given the chance.

Well, who rules the world anyway?... is there one person who does this? :question: I don't think so....

We are all responsible for our own behaviors, for the way we treat others, and those who are parents are responsible for the way they educate their children.

All of us make this world together, even if we live in societies, if we are lucky enough to live in democracies, just because we have governments and delegate certain tasks on specific people, this doesn't relevate us from the responsability we have as citizens and human beings, so I don't know what you mean by that........ when you make music and you're famous, your voice sounds louder than other voices. I think some sort of responsability comes with that, and while I dont think musicians are responsible for the education of people, I do think the weight of their message DOES affect some people.

Duff himself says in that interview you posted that many people tell him that his music changed their lives, so there you have it, the influence is evident.

It depends on how you say it, though!

If you say "immigrants & f------, they make no sense to me", most people will interpret those lines in a literal way. Obviously, it will depend on your own education how those lines impact on you, but I wouldn't be surprised that someone who is searching for a job sees a bunch of immigrants waiting in the same line as them, then learns one of those people got the job, this person returns home all frustrated and listens to OIAM..... that's how the resentment is born.

Same happens with media... in my country, the media is constantly sending a negative message about immigrants. They are always showing news about how immigrants are involved in all sorts of crimes. Then you have the population fearing immigrants even if they never interacted with one. Then you have people asking the government to get more strict with immigration laws.

People are highly influenced by these type of messages.

That's when you are lucky to get a good education from your family. This is not the case for a lot of people. More people than you think.

Well, he DOES say "bitch, I've got a use for you" and that use is sex, so if you are not able to read that as what it is, I dont know what to tell you.... :shrugs:

Reducing human beings to mere sexual objects is.... depicable in my view, so I do not agree with that. I do not take "personal offense" but I know I wouldn't like to have any kind of relationship with someone who treats me that way.

I know raw sex, or "primal sex" like Duff described it, does exist and some people like engaging on it.... It is not my cup of tea, though.... I guess that, as long as this is a consexual act between adults and they agree to the terms of it, then it is fine...... but this is hard to figure out from the lines of that song, since the only one "talking" is the man in the relationship.

Hmm... I'm sorry but when you say "hoe" to refer to a third person in your relationship, that shows how your brain has been molded to think in patriarchal terms.

Not trying to defend someone who willingly accepts to interfer someone else's relationship, but shouldn't you be mad at "your man" more than at her?

Your man is responsible for respecting you, other women too, but if you are exclusive with someone, the commitment is between you and him.

 

Well one by one 1)I start from the end... None belongs to none...You don't like me anymore? Tell me in my face it's over all good, It doesn't happen that way... Betrayal n non loyalty from a partner is expectable cause people get bored one day... Involving of a female friend, not a random girl that he met in a bar hurts more... I won't say more , these are personal things, i don't think other readers give a shit to read...

For me not all women are saints not all men demons, it depends to the person n character...

 

2) I don't either get your pointing out patriarchy leftovers in 2019 when both sexes cheat more easy than they take a pee... Back in past, relationships ,marriage, meant something and it was respectable,, at least in my world, Now...you spoil it in a matter of secs, not to say that most people avoid creating bonds and prefer quick easy just sex, here it comes the ISE  meaning for me..No emotion, no commitment nothing...And i don't think that it happens to my country that still has the triagle "Family, religion, homeland" as a respectable thing and not in other more evolved and open minded countries like America or Europe... Keep in mind that we speak out of the spectrum of what happens to our worlds and influences us...

I have no problem with race colour ethnicity religion gay bi or whatever difference you may come from(not you,anybody) Greeks know immigrations better than their morning prayer,not the last decade due to crisis, but ages before... We used to be a country with hospitality"philoxenia"is our term,tolerance open borders and acceptance and help of immigrants....Now Greek people with degrees immigrate all over the world cause you can pretty much put your degree in your butt here, to put it mildly...Sea is an open gate for any kind of immmigrant, from here have passed people who did the baTACLAN THE mANCHESTER etc riot... I know how they suffer but we doesn't have it much better...

Threre are immigrants hard workers that are prefered for a cheapest wage, family people who has created business and mind their own business and there are any kind of criminals...Centre of Athens when dusk falls turns to a ghetto...Go to Omonoia and streets around and if you make it alive you are really lucky.... Innumerous incidents of murders or brutal bloody attacks against women, men,pregnant women, old people goes on every single day...

They're not after rich people anymore, they can stub you in the middle of the road just for your purse just for a few euros or a random cellphone...95% of those incidents that have tremendously risen the last five years comes from immigrants... How Can you keep your xenophobia calm?I'm gonna put 3 famous incidents if i find sth in English....What was those people's fault to be slayed alive in the street by an immigrant who came to a country to find a better luck and he did find it?

I have nothing more to say... I speak from my spectrum of what's goin on around me with no colour or ethicity fanatism, i would'nt have a problem to say so....I speak aboout criminality and how this creates perceptions and overgeralisations

Final.it was life itself taught me the hardest lessons the hardest way, Not University i've finished, of course my family gave me advices and moral values but life out there doesn't ask you when it kicks you in the gutt or pulls your leg ;) You take the lesson after exam,unlike school...

These are my opinions, i have a dialogue, nothing personal with unknown people, i don't try to pass them but i don't accept calling me out just because i like GNR and their songs more than you... Have a nice day/night...Here is night... As for Axl got saved by immigrants, oh well i don't think that they saved AXL ROSE out of pure humanitarian mercy without counting profit, i Don't care from were they are, they could be some white sharks like Goldstein etc... AXL ROSE was a Golden cow anyways...Wanted zombie or Alive!

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https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/Υπόθεση_Μυρτώς_Παπαδομιχελάκη I either can't find sth in English or it doesn't exist... If you care use page translate

https://www.news247.gr/koinonia/eglima/ntokoymento-fotografies-fonos.6103676.html 

https://www.protothema.gr/greece/article/815349/fotografies-stin-euelpidon-oi-pakistanoi-pou-skotosan-ton-25hrono-nikola-stou-filopappou/ 

A 15yo brutally raped and smashed on the head with a stone,left alive with 99% permanent total disability just because she went for a walk on the beach at a crowded island full of tourists

A father got killed in the middle of the street on the early morning just because he baught a camera to film his new born.Her wife waited for him just to get informed minutes after she gave birth that she is a widow from a random guy just for the fkn camera

A  boy who gone for studies to Portogalia, came for a short vacation back home.had his portugese gf with him and they took a walk to see Lycabettus... In defense of the phone and girl's bag and life he got thrown down the hill by 2 underage immigrants...

There's a lot goin on everyday, those are just widely known....Yeah i support and have mercy on people who left their homeland out of war like refugees who got in boats and get sink and live in horriblle terms in hot spots but at the same time some of them they throw boxes of food unopened,judt because they didn't like it... A Greek mother gone begging for a plate to feed her kids and she received a NO cause they were food for refugees...Who is responsible to handle all of this worldwide? Average Joes. Rocks stars or politicians? Please...

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Videos are in greek but i think u tube has some sort of subtitles, pictures speaks alone ...

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Oh, and about the term BITCH I've read a great book by an English author called"why men love bitches"

 I suggest it to every woman. Is Bitch a curse word in America? I thought it a was sth like, hey come on you badass or cunning wit or sth....We say"Kargiola' in Greek in friendly convos and "Malaka"

Kargiola means Bed in Italian while in greek means smart ass bad ass, Malaka means asshole in English but we use it like Americans say yo mAN....So cultural differences??

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Forgot to say that back in 80's 90's when OIAM was written ,being gay was considered as a sin worldwide,you didn't dare to come out,your life was in extreme danger! nOW  WITH lgbt PRIDES etc things are more calm and acceptable ,but the song was depicting the mindset back then! I inform you that here the macho man style is still alive and is like 'do whatever y want in ur bed but do not provoke in public"How a kiss between a gay couple is provoking, what exactly provokes??? I personally don' like to see people making out in public or in a crowded beach in front of others, just because they are straight and this is natural? One thing is hugs and kisses but have almost sex in front of the eyes of others makes me wanna throw up... You don't have a personal space people? 

And about consensual rough sex... When is consensual everything is ok... When is forced,then is a crime! Should we crucify GNR and the whole rock stardom just because their naughty lives? This is Rock... They don't pretend the square guys...And i hail the honesty...As for the deeds, i hope that everyone who has caused or causes harm physical or emotional to meet justice....One way or another... That won't make me listen to less GNR music or Like Axl less Though... Nor me nor the millions of fans of  his band and persona...Call us idiots,in the end...:shrugs:

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1 hour ago, Lillie said:

Well one by one 1)I start from the end... None belongs to none...You don't like me anymore? Tell me in my face it's over all good, It doesn't happen that way... Betrayal n non loyalty from a partner is expectable cause people get bored one day... Involving of a female friend, not a random girl that he met in a bar hurts more... I won't say more , these are personal things, i don't think other readers give a shit to read...

For me not all women are saints not all men demons, it depends to the person n character...

I never said all women are saints and all men are demons, and you don't have to get personal when talking about this. It is not necessary.

I think there are all kinds of people in the world and two kinds of relationships: healthy and unhealthy ones. After a good chunk of time, I am ready to pursue the healthy ones, I don't have a negative view of the future, neither I am disappointed to the level of thinking everybody is a cheater.

1 hour ago, Lillie said:

2) I don't either get your pointing out patriarchy leftovers in 2019 when both sexes cheat more easy than they take a pee...

I brought it up because of the way you expressed yourself about another woman. If this was a personal case that you were presenting, I didn't know and I'm not up for knowing the details, it is none of my business.

Either way, I don't think gender plays a part when it comes to being a bad person.

1 hour ago, Lillie said:

not to say that most people avoid creating bonds and prefer quick easy just sex, here it comes the ISE  meaning for me..No emotion, no commitment nothing...

I think Duff was refering more to the kind of practice, not to the type of bond. When he says "primal sex" he is definitely talking about the most basic instincts and these are emotions too.

1 hour ago, Lillie said:

Greeks know immigrations better than their morning prayer,not the last decade due to crisis, but ages before... We used to be a country with hospitality"philoxenia"is our term,tolerance open borders and acceptance and help of immigrants....Now Greek people with degrees immigrate all over the world cause you can pretty much put your degree in your butt here, to put it mildly...

The economic situation in Greece was pretty much similar to the Argentina of year 2001. I remember that when we were able to get out of the hole by the mid 2000's, your country took us as a "role model" to fix your own economy.
Now we are back into the whole again so I hope you don't follow our steps :lol: but I can relate to what you're saying here, we kinda have the same problems regarding economy and the social situation.

I still do not think this should be blamed on immigration.... at least in my country, the local criminals surpass the foreigner ones. In most cases, poverty is to blame, inequality, some people are extremely rich and others are extremely poor. Middle class is disappearing.

1 hour ago, Lillie said:

A Greek mother gone begging for a plate to feed her kids and she received a NO cause they were food for refugees...Who is responsible to handle all of this worldwide? Average Joes. Rocks stars or politicians? Please...

Where do politicians come from? Are they born in a different planet? Who gives them power: citizens or an external force?

If you are lucky to live in a democracy and you get to vote, then politicians are people like you and me, they were born in your societies and educated in your schools. It is time to vote responsibly next time you have to. Getting involved in the politics of your country is a MUST for anyone.

I see lots of people not giving a fuck about who they are governed by. Uncommitted citizens who vote for the one who "looks better". They don't bother investigating their politicians, getting to know them, how they think, what's their past, how they performed if they had a public charge before...

"Complains, complains, complains...." :lol:

52 minutes ago, Lillie said:

Is Bitch a curse word in America? I thought it a was sth like, hey come on you badass or cunning wit or sth

In general, I don't think it is a nice word to say. There are some exceptions but I wouldn't use it out of the blue.

25 minutes ago, Lillie said:

Should we crucify GNR and the whole rock stardom just because their naughty lives? This is Rock... I don't pretend the square guy...And i hail the honesty...

Analyzing the lyrics of some songs is far from "crucifying" the band and many people in the rock stardom have admitted to their wrongdoings, so I don't see the point of defending them just because they are "rock stars". Applying a different standard to judge them is not good.

Honesty is not the word I'd use to describe them.... that's not honesty... that was bragging... they did it because they could do it and they didn't really care about any consequences, they were reckless.
They took advantage of the status quo, which nowadays has changed, and that's mainly the reason why Duff gets utterly uncomfortable with those questions.

 

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14 minutes ago, killuridols said:

I never said all women are saints and all men are demons, and you don't have to get personal when talking about this. It is not necessary.

I think there are all kinds of people in the world and two kinds of relationships: healthy and unhealthy ones. After a good chunk of time, I am ready to pursue the healthy ones, I don't have a negative view of the future, neither I am disappointed to the level of thinking everybody is a cheater.

I brought it up because of the way you expressed yourself about another woman. If this was a personal case that you were presenting, I didn't know and I'm not up for knowing the details, it is none of my business.

Either way, I don't think gender plays a part when it comes to being a bad person.

I think Duff was refering more to the kind of practice, not to the type of bond. When he says "primal sex" he is definitely talking about the most basic instincts and these are emotions too.

The economic situation in Greece was pretty much similar to the Argentina of year 2001. I remember that when we were able to get out of the hole by the mid 2000's, your country took us as a "role model" to fix your own economy.
Now we are back into the whole again so I hope you don't follow our steps :lol: but I can relate to what you're saying here, we kinda have the same problems regarding economy and the social situation.

I still do not think this should be blamed on immigration.... at least in my country, the local criminals surpass the foreigner ones. In most cases, poverty is to blame, inequality, some people are extremely rich and others are extremely poor. Middle class is disappearing.

Where do politicians come from? Are they born in a different planet? Who gives them power: citizens or an external force?

If you are lucky to live in a democracy and you get to vote, then politicians are people like you and me, they were born in your societies and educated in your schools. It is time to vote responsibly next time you have to. Getting involved in the politics of your country is a MUST for anyone.

I see lots of people not giving a fuck about who they are governed by. Uncommitted citizens who vote for the one who "looks better". They don't bother investigating their politicians, getting to know them, how they think, what's their past, how they performed if they had a public charge before...

"Complains, complains, complains...." :lol:

In general, I don't think it is a nice word to say. There are some exceptions but I wouldn't use it out of the blue.

Analyzing the lyrics of some songs is far from "crucifying" the band and many people in the rock stardom have admitted to their wrongdoings, so I don't see the point of defending them just because they are "rock stars". Applying a different standard to judge them is not good.

Honesty is not the word I'd use to describe them.... that's not honesty... that was bragging... they did it because they could do it and they didn't really care about any consequences, they were reckless.
They took advantage of the status quo, which nowadays has changed, and that's mainly the reason why Duff gets utterly uncomfortable with those questions.

 

When capital controls went on here in 2015 all people was Like OMG we gonna be like Argentina or Bring Drachma (local currency) back...Or no anything but Grexit,we're deader than dead.Greeks have a historical characteristic..Civil war...They are more after neighbour's goat and neighbour is to blame,than anything else....A Greek in the depth of his heart hates fiercely his brother than the external "enemy"...Greeks can not find common ground cause there are 2 basic parties that rules for ages..One fucks us up then we go to the other then back to the first and so on...We have no hope,cause our politicians are puppets and we are their hopeless puppets...Greeks are hot headed open hearted people with a remarkable past history but now we are lost zombies...

I speak with facts and incidents when I talk about immigrants and their criminality....Rarely you hear a Greek did a crime like burglary or murder...Sorry but I want to walk in the center of my country in the night without having my gutts splattered....Sorry,but racism is not a white man trait....An immigrant can hate you too cause you are white,you supposed to have more stability in your life than him,you have a home,a piece of food in your table...Some Immigrants have made fortunes here better than ours and still you can see the hatred and jealousy in their eyes...They will fuck you up just because..And you know what?All the immigrants have sth of public welfare,so they're not starving...They just find an easy target to go hit and then go drink Belvedaire in GAZI..I DON'T excuse invading other's property n most cause harm or murder whatever is your reason..Criminals have no excuses,otherwise I,you, everyone can be criminals too when we wanna Fuck or Eat Drink Or pay the electricity bill and in order to do this we have to deprive entertainment....

 

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I couldn't care less what Duff or Ax. Did and do on their beds y know? Their songs is a public product and through this I have the fandom I have towards them...I don't think I'm not a critical thinker, I am just not that quick to jump on them when I hear sth against women..Cause I've suffered from many friends of mine,and I know that no man can reach the complexity of the female mind!In good and bad meaning...To close with sth historical,The famous war of Troy was about the Pretty Helen and two Clansmans fighting more for her heart than land"s profit... 

All in all ,I find interesting talking with you,given the chance,we just have some different approaches in some issues...Pretty human ☺

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27 minutes ago, Lillie said:

When capital controls went on here in 2015 all people was Like OMG we gonna be like Argentina or Bring Drachma (local currency) back...Or no anything but Grexit,we're deader than dead.Greeks have a historical characteristic..Civil war...They are more after neighbour's goat and neighbour is to blame,than anything else....A Greek in the depth of his heart hates fiercely his brother than the external "enemy"...Greeks can not find common ground cause there are 2 basic parties that rules for ages..One fucks us up then we go to the other then back to the first and so on...We have no hope,cause our politicians are puppets and we are their hopeless puppets...Greeks are hot headed open hearted people with a remarkable past history but now we are lost zombies...

Aww, come on! :hug:

I have such a respect for Greece and its history... don't throw it all away just because of these differences.... I know how hard the situation is, we are going through the same now, a punishment for voting a neoliberal government that now has all of us begging on our knees again.... but I have faith we will rise up one more time, we always do, even though it feels like we never learn from our mistakes.

Please do not let the hatred fill your heart and cloud your mind. If you want to make a change start by yourself and actively participate more in politics, use your vote in an intelligent way, do not let your politicians ruin your life, go out there and protest, kick them out of the buildings if necessary! (omg, I hope this is not seen as me encouraging violence :ph34r::P) but yeah, basically, raise your voices and change what is wrong.

28 minutes ago, Lillie said:

I don't think I'm not a critical thinker, I am just not that quick to jump on them when I hear sth against women..Cause I've suffered from many friends of mine,and I know that no man can reach the complexity of the female mind!In good and bad meaning...To close with sth historical,The famous war of Troy was about the Pretty Helen and two Clansmans fighting more for her heart than land"s profit... 

This forum is about Guns N' Roses and that's why we talk about them, there's not like an agenda to specifically target them, there are lots of musicians who have done even worse than them.... so... Im not "quick to jump on them" or anything. It is what it is.

As for the female mind, I don't agree with that notion... or I don't believe that there's a difference between man and women when it comes to the intellect, the mind.... In my opinion, it is the culture what have molded both minds and it is the education received in the patriarchal system what has conditioned men and women to behave and even think in stereotyped ways.

34 minutes ago, Lillie said:

All in all ,I find interesting talking with you,given the chance,we just have some different approaches in some issues...Pretty human ☺

Aye :)

Have a good night! I'm off to have dinner :drool:

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35 minutes ago, Lillie said:

I couldn't care less what Duff or Ax. Did and do on their beds y know? Their songs is a public product and through this I have the fandom I have towards them...I don't think I'm not a critical thinker, I am just not that quick to jump on them when I hear sth against women..Cause I've suffered from many friends of mine,and I know that no man can reach the complexity of the female mind!In good and bad meaning...To close with sth historical,The famous war of Troy was about the Pretty Helen and two Clansmans fighting more for her heart than land"s profit... 

All in all ,I find interesting talking with you,given the chance,we just have some different approaches in some issues...Pretty human ☺

"I know that no man can reach the complexity of the female mind!"

*cough* sexist! *cough* :lol:

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5 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Aww, come on! :hug:

I have such a respect for Greece and its history... don't throw it all away just because of these differences.... I know how hard the situation is, we are going through the same now, a punishment for voting a neoliberal government that now has all of us begging on our knees again.... but I have faith we will rise up one more time, we always do, even though it feels like we never learn from our mistakes.

Please do not let the hatred fill your heart and cloud your mind. If you want to make a change start by yourself and actively participate more in politics, use your vote in an intelligent way, do not let your politicians ruin your life, go out there and protest, kick them out of the buildings if necessary! (omg, I hope this is not seen as me encouraging violence :ph34r::P) but yeah, basically, raise your voices and change what is wrong.

This forum is about Guns N' Roses and that's why we talk about them, there's not like an agenda to specifically target them, there are lots of musicians who have done even worse than them.... so... Im not "quick to jump on them" or anything. It is what it is.

As for the female mind, I don't agree with that notion... or I don't believe that there's a difference between man and women when it comes to the intellect, the mind.... In my opinion, it is the culture what have molded both minds and it is the education received in the patriarchal system what has conditioned men and women to behave and even think in stereotyped ways.

Aye :)

Have a good night! I'm off to have dinner :drool:

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It's so deadly hot here and tomorrow we expect 36c... I am scratching my whole body and can't breath well cause I smoke like a chimney,many times I deprive food for cigarettes...Thanx for the encouraging words...Election are on their way...Darkness is expected...Last summer 36000 of people,me also,attended Iron Maiden...I'll put the video to hear what Bruce told us...I bet my eye that few got it!And if so....What?Next day,back to the same shit..If only we were United like our ancestors in wars they won.., Pfff...Anyway,Have a nice dinner,I'm gonna eat my souvlaki gyro too cause I'm starving right now,Bye ☺ 😘

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23 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

"I know that no man can reach the complexity of the female mind!"

*cough* sexist! *cough* :lol:

😄😜  Let it be!Once I had a convo with the American fiance of a cousin of mine that lives and works in America ages before...They were here for vacation and I was asking her how about American women behave and if they are competitive towards other women from work to lifestyle to men..She told me,Oh yeah!Most women are catty and I don't think it has to do with ethnicity...She left me in awe..A great ,very kind Lady..So all things considered,welcome to the jungle...,you can have anything you want but you better not takin for me...Sanananana knees..😉

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Oh right...you know Sergio Ramos, right? Real Madrid football player? Very well known on football world? So, he's getting married tomorrow to a spanish TV presenter who loves rock and GNR and AC/DC and has a crush on Axl. Anyway there's a HUGE rumour that AC/DC are playing the wedding, which - surprise - doesn't allow cellphones. What AC/DC? Axl/DC? Duff-bass-player/DC? Regular AC/DC? An AC/DC cover band? A recording of an AC/DC best off? I'm confused :confused:

 

Here's the wedding couple, after de Seville Axl/DC 2016 show, with that one that is MIA since...I don't even know. When did we actually see Axl lately, really?  :shrugs:

 

 

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1 hour ago, dgnr said:

Anyway there's a HUGE rumour that AC/DC are playing the wedding, which - surprise - doesn't allow cellphones. What AC/DC? Axl/DC? Duff-bass-player/DC? Regular AC/DC? An AC/DC cover band? A recording of an AC/DC best off? I'm confused :confused:

Axl has experience playing weddings :ph34r: but now that his worth has risen up and he doesn't need to do those things for money anymore... :shrugs:

Anything is possible, though!! Either way we will find out sooner or later. 

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On 14/6/2019 at 5:31 AM, killuridols said:

Axl has experience playing weddings :ph34r: but now that his worth has risen up and he doesn't need to do those things for money anymore... :shrugs:

Anything is possible, though!! Either way we will find out sooner or later. 

I doubt that we gonna find out much,in Fernando's marriage not even a hint of his presence,we  thought one pic was of his rings and chains and then all said that it was Nur Khan's..(if i write it right)...

Ramos's wedding gonna be a big deal for media for sure, so... we may have a clue...Unless Axl owns one of Harry Potter's cloaks or something :lol: Quite possible, counting that we haven't seen him since last GNR gig, i guess... What, he totally stopped taking selfies with fans that bump into him? I think the last one was the previous year with that guy that bumped into him in California outside a restaurant, or in a walk with his dogs...sth like that....

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38 minutes ago, Lillie said:

I doubt that we gonna find out much,in Fernando's marriage not even a hint of his presence,we  thought one pic was of his rings and chains and then all said that it was Nur Khan's..(if i write it right)...

Ramos's wedding gonna be a big deal for media for sure, so... we may have a clue...Unless Axl owns one of Harry Potter's cloaks or something :lol: Quite possible, counting that we haven't seen him since last GNR gig, i guess... What, he totally stopped taking selfies with fans that bump into him? I think the last one was the previous year with that guy that bumped into him in California outside a restaurant, or in a walk with his dogs...sth like that....

I dont know how axl flies so under the radar in terms of being seen. I think he does certain things like fitness during the day maybe at home and musical things of a night. So he is still nocturnal. 

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13 hours ago, Sydney Fan said:

I dont know how axl flies so under the radar in terms of being seen. I think he does certain things like fitness during the day maybe at home and musical things of a night. So he is still nocturnal. 

He surely is a night owl that lurks at certain places where no "annoying bunch of people " will distract him from his deep thoughts...😄

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On 16/06/2019 at 2:11 AM, Sydney Fan said:

I think he does certain things like fitness during the day maybe 

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I think he just sleeps all day -  waking up in the miday sun and stuff like that. That's what I would do if I had his kind of money. Breakfast in bed, a small lunch at 3pm, read some shit during the afternoon and then invite all my friends and freak-show  for a sunset/night of big dinner and fun at the pool. I bet they swim naked and all - for the fun  :rofl-lol: :rofl-lol: Anyway, let's see how's his fitness when he reappears. With Beta cooking marmalade, well...  :scared:

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@Lillie omg you talking about Greece.  Αχχχ drinks in Gazi...good times :lol:

You have one of the most lovely and kind people in the world. For 6 months it felt like home for real. Sure there's some misogyny (I felt this one) and racism ( and see this one) -  every country of South Europe has those issues, it's in our culture and history, but we can change it. Don't think so low of yourselves, you are amazing as a people. Still have some Greek friends. One of them is here in Portugal now to visit and work for a month. She had her flight at 6am leaving Athens and spent the night cooking spanakopita to bring for us. I mean who does this unless it's a Greek? :wub:

And I swear, if you say again that you're gonna eat souvlaki with that naturality, I'm gonna fight you. I need a souvllaki. τώρα :anger:

 

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3 hours ago, dgnr said:

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I think he just sleeps all day -  waking up in the miday sun and stuff like that. That's what I would do if I had his kind of money. Breakfast in bed, a small lunch at 3pm, read some shit during the afternoon and then invite all my friends and freak-show  for a sunset/night of big dinner and fun at the pool. I bet they swim naked and all - for the fun  :rofl-lol: :rofl-lol: Anyway, let's see how's his fitness when reappears. With Beta cooking marmalade, well...  :scared:

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@Lillie omg you talking about Greece.  Αχχχ drinks in Gazi...good times :lol:

You have one of the most lovely and kind people in the world. For 6 months it felt like home for real. Sure there's some misogyny (I felt this one) and racism ( and see this one)-  every country of South Europe has those issues, it's in our culture and history, but we can change it. Don't think so low of yourselves, you are amazing as a people. Still have some Greek friends. One of them is here in Portugal now to visit and work for a month. She had her flight at 6am leaving Athens and spent the night cooking spanakopita to bring for us. I mean who does this unless it's a Greek? 

And I swear, if you say again that you're gonna eat souvlaki with that naturality, I'm gonna fight you. I need a souvllaki :anger:

 

LOL at the describing of Axl's daily tasks :lol: Probably pretty accurate!! Nothin to add, hope he is not ready to "give birth" when we see him again :lol: With all of my love just a lil sarcasm, for his health, nothing else :shades:

 

So you had a great time here!! Glad to hear this :heart: Next time you may visit i suggest whatever island, i can't peak which one, Sea has a power itself beyond words can describe... Thanx for your kind words :) 

Yeah fkn spanakotyropita!! With cheese! is unbeatable and also pie with prasso or maratho(some kind of herbs, used in cooking.... Sorry but how can i call this souvlaki  thing?  You know a funny fact? People from Athens like me call it pita with gyro, while people from Thessaloniki call it sandwich... The other without the wrap we call it kalamaki and Thessalonikies call it souvlaki! We call the sauce sauce or our tradiotional tzatziki while Thessalonikies call it all "aloifi" means sth like cream but "aloifi" in medical is sth like voltaren etc..

.Kalamaki is the plastc thing that we use to drink something....Fun stuff, but you see we have differences, idioms better, that differs from city to city or city to village...  Have you eaten pastitsio? You liked it? I'd like to hear abour your traditional foods :)  Portugal? Portugese, Spanish, Italian people have almost  alike spirits... Had a heartie friend from Italy and my best friend is half Greek Half Native American... Have i ever told how much i love respect and admire Native American's culture and civilization? I've studied lessons in University about Inkas Mayas etc...

How about your temperature now in summer? We burn in hell now in 38 degrees like every summer...2 summers before thermometre had reached 46 and up!!

P.s I'm sure that you can find souvlaki all over the world , many Greeks have opened souvlatzidika shops but prices differs much abroad... Here cost about 2.20 to 2.50 euros.And 1.20 or 1.30 the kalamaki (is from pork pieces in cubes  in a wooden thin stick) We also have many influences from Turkish kitchen...Like Kebab, or mousaka....

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51 minutes ago, Lillie said:

LOL at the describing of Axl's daily tasks :lol: Probably pretty accurate!! Nothin to add, hope he is not ready to "give birth" when we see him again :lol: With all of my love just a lil sarcasm, for his health, nothing else :shades:

No. Slash's been away touring and all, so I think we're safe :P 
 

51 minutes ago, Lillie said:

So you had a great time here!! Glad to hear this :heart: Next time you may visit i suggest whatever island, i can't peak which one, Sea has a power itself beyond words can describe... Thanx for your kind words :) 

Best time of my life. Lived in Athens but visited a lot of your country. Island speaking I went to Santorini, Crete and Hydra - have to come back to go to Zakynthos though, missed that one - I had the good fortune to sail the Aegean sea as they say in the movie ;) Still what I loved the most was the Peloponnese region. So freaking beautiful. All of the cities, villages, archaeological sites...It's been 4 years and I still dream about Nafplio everyday :heart: 

 

51 minutes ago, Lillie said:

Yeah fkn spanakotyropita!! With cheese! is unbeatable and also pie with prasso or maratho(some kind of herdbs, used in cooking.... Sorry but how can i call this souvlaki  thing?  You know a funny fact? People from Athens like me call it pita with gyro, while people from Thessaloniki call it sandwich... The other without the wrap we call it kalamaki and Thessalonikies call it souvlaki! We call the sauce sauce or our tradiotional tzatziki while Thessalonikies call it all "aloifi" means sth like cream but "aloifi" in medical is sth like voltaren etc..

Ohhhh spanakopita is the best, I went to Lidl in Kallithea to buy it and I swear I could have it at anytime of the day!! I was living in Faliro, so real close to the beach, and it was my beach snack :P But this one from my friend, homemade and all, is the best ever. Had an amazing Spanakopita in Meteora too. Souvlaki gyros kotopulo with just a little bit of tzatziki was my usual order at a restaurant near Monastiraki square, I went there almost every weekend and then eat it on Pnyx. Amazing!! I miss it so much!! That and loukoumades and pastisio, of course, love it! I gained 7kg while in Greece, no wonder why - don't go to Greece, Axl :lol::lol: Didn't know that about Thessaloniki and Athens, interesting.

Our temparature here in Portugal...well, it's weird. May was hot as hell but now it's pretty chill. Global warming, it's real, Trump, ok? But Athens in summer, omg. Some weeks of June and July it was impossible. I wanted to die hahahaha



 

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Did anyone see the new documentary that aired last night?

All I’ve seen so far on social media is some reactions - people a bit pissed off because Alan Niven said Axl pissed away his prime, but that is true, he has. It’s one of the most frustrating things about him. 

Apparently there’s a scene where they have actors playing Axl and Izzy - it’s when Axl freaked out about touring with Aerosmith and locked himself away - so they sent Izzy to talk him round but he wouldn’t let him in either so he had to climb a tree outside Axl’s house to try and talk to him. I really want to see that part of it :lol:

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