British Politics

[AtariLegend]

Looks like a 3rd vote tomorrow if they can get around Bercow.

Either way I bet tabloids try to pretend it's his fault.

btw we had an election in 2017. It showed that even in those leave labour seats that most had other concerns than Brexit. So this argument is no scene. You can see though from the petition which areas there's a strong remain and leave vote currently. 

Diesel if you don't mind, can I ask who your local MP is? 

[Len Cnut]

22 minutes ago, Dazey said:

I was listening to Jacob Rees-Mogg on Julia Hartley-Brewer 

I hope you put the wine glass back after

[DieselDaisy]

11 minutes ago, Dazey said:

My point being that even the hardcore Brexiteers wouldn't want to be responsible for the fall of a Tory government. I was listening to Jacob Rees-Mogg on Julia Hartley-Brewer  this morning and she was asking him about his leadership ambitions. One of the lines of questioning was whether he would go against the government in a no confidence vote given that he was the one who led the vote against Theresa May last year. His response was that no matter how disastrous the current situation is he would always vote for the Conservative leader rather than risk a Jeremy Corbyn government.

Not much chance of a Corbyn government considering he has even pissed off you remainers. 

1 minute ago, AtariLegend said:

 

Diesel if you don't mind, can I ask who your local MP is? 

That big fat hoary socialist ugly looking bastard who sits next to Corbyn with a weird looking birth mark on his face. Ronnie Campbell MP. Former miner/trade unionist and full on hard-left. He is a good example of a EU hating Bennite actually (he voted for no deal). It is what I have been saying for ages, that the hard-left traditionally hates the EU. It is the centre which is Europhile. The EU is a centre-right Thatcherite project. 

[DieselDaisy]

Rees-Mogg, an Etonian, called Letwin a Wykehamist the other day, i.e., somebody who went to Winchester College. Rees-Mogg's first tweet was in Latin. He is my sort of bastard come to think of it haha. I wonder if I bump into him at Lord's. 

Have you seen his son,

A chip off the old block.

[Len Cnut]

14 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Rees-Mogg, an Etonian, called Letwin a Wykehamist the other day, i.e., somebody who went to Winchester College. Rees-Mogg's first tweet was in Latin. He is my sort of bastard come to think of it haha. I wonder if I bump into him at Lord's. 

Have you seen his son,

A chip off the old block.

His old man was the fella who wrote the famous who breaks a butterfly on a wheel article in defensive of old Uncle Mick, isn't he? 

[DieselDaisy]

1 minute ago, Len Cnut said:

His old man was the fella who wrote the famous who breaks a butterfly on a wheel article in defensive of old Uncle Mick, isn't he? 

Yes.

His suit is a bit creased there around the lapel. I knew it all along: common as muck.

[Len Cnut]

14 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Yes.

His suit is a bit creased there around the lapel. I knew it all along: common as muck.

Toffs are known for being a bit scruffy.  Thats how you know you're in the presence of a proper toff, a fathered-in millionaire eccentric.  The old time rich were famous for never paying their tailors bills.

Edited March 28, 2019 by Len Cnut

[AtariLegend]

14 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Ronnie Campbell MP. Former miner/trade unionist and full on hard-left. He is a good example of a EU hating Bennite actually (he voted for no deal). It is what I have been saying for ages, that the hard-left traditionally hates the EU. It is the centre which is Europhile. The EU is a centre-right Thatcherite project. 

So a Brexiteer who doesn't gays in safe leave seat. Looking at the petition, it's one of the most leave leaning seats in the country. 563/650.

Doesn't seem like a great bloke. Surely you should like him though? Supposed to step down at the next election, but said that before 2017 too.

https://www.livefrombrexit.com/petitions/241584#blyth-valley

Edited March 28, 2019 by AtariLegend

[DieselDaisy]

Just now, Len Cnut said:

Toffs are known for being a bit scruffy.  Thats how you know you're in the presence of a proper toff, a fathered-in millionaire eccentric.  The old time rich were famous for never paying their tailors bills.

Are you discussing what Dickens meant when he said, ''shabby genteel''?

[Len Cnut]

11 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Are you discussing what Dickens meant when he said, ''shabby genteel''?

Exactly.  They hang onto their old tat until it becomes 'antiques'

[DieselDaisy]

Just now, AtariLegend said:

So a Brexiteer who doesn't gays in safe leave seat. Looking at the petition, it's one of the most leave leaning seats in the country. 563/650.

Doesn't seem like a great bloke. Surely you should like him though? Supposed to step down at the next election, but said that before 2017 too.

I cannot stand Ronnie Campbell but I agree with him on the EU. My auntie went to school with him and she said he was the dunce of the class. He faked a heartattack when his marriage broke up - his wife was having an affair. 

Big chum of Corbyn, hence why he is now on the frontbench I suppose. 

[DieselDaisy]

One of my borough's former representatives was interesting, John Ryman MP, Labour's pro-foxhunting and capital punishment con man,

Quote

 

Ryman married five times in all, each ending in divorce. His fifth wife, Nicola, was the wealthy widow of a company director. Cash of hers he said had been invested in a high-yield Swiss bank account was actually spent on a horse, a Jaguar car, and holidays on the Orient Express.

Before he married Nicola he narrowly escaped prosecution from the family of a previous mistress after she died when they discovered a handwritten receipt from Ryman for £14,000 he said was invested, again, in a high-yield Swiss bank account. After months of legal wrangling the family got the money back.

In April 1992 Ryman was convicted of defrauding two women of their life savings.

He had pretended to be the director of a Swiss bank and told the women that they would get 22.5% interest, but in fact paid the money to his ex-wife for maintenance payments. Ryman was given a two-and-a-half-year jail sentence.

After serving his sentence, Ryman disappeared from the public eye and died in 2009.

 

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/history/blyth-valleys-bounder-mp-2997291

[DieselDaisy]

Aren't we meant to be technically still leaving at 11pm tomorrow, or am I missing something?

[Dazey]

6 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Aren't we meant to be technically still leaving at 11pm tomorrow, or am I missing something?

Nope. MPs voted to enshrine the delay in law a couple of days ago. 

[DieselDaisy]

Just now, Dazey said:

Nope. MPs voted to enshrine the delay in law a couple of days ago. 

But from the EU's end, wasn't this dependent on May's deal being passed?

[Dazey]

4 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

But from the EU's end, wasn't this dependent on May's deal being passed?

No. The delay until May 22nd was dependant on her deal being passed. As it stands the law says we leave on April 12th if tomorrow’s vote fails. 

The April 12th date was to give us time to hold the vote. The May 22nd date is to give time to pass the necessary legislation to enact her deal if the vote passes. 

What’s going to happen is that tomorrow’s vote will fail and she’ll go back cap in hand for another delay. 

Edited March 28, 2019 by Dazey

[DieselDaisy]

1 minute ago, Dazey said:

No. The delay until May 22nd was dependant on her deal being passed. As it stands the law says we leave on April 12th if tomorrow’s vote fails. 

The April 12th date was to give us time to hold the vote. The May 22nd date is to give time to pass the necessary legislation to enact her deal if the vote passes. 

What’s going to happen is that tomorrow’s vote will fail and she’ll go back cap in hand for another delay. 

April 12th just misses out on my birthday.

[Dazey]

Just now, DieselDaisy said:

April 12th just misses out on my birthday.

Haha! Happy Brexit Birthday!  Yeah the 12th and 22nd dates were set by the EU in the first place when May asked to delay until the end of June. The gist is basically to get it over with before the European elections. 

[DieselDaisy]

 

[Padme]

3 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

Not much chance of a Corbyn government considering he has even pissed off you remainers. 

That big fat hoary socialist ugly looking bastard who sits next to Corbyn with a weird looking birth mark on his face. Ronnie Campbell MP. Former miner/trade unionist and full on hard-left. He is a good example of a EU hating Bennite actually (he voted for no deal). It is what I have been saying for ages, that the hard-left traditionally hates the EU. It is the centre which is Europhile. The EU is a centre-right Thatcherite project. 

Why people from your Brexit costal area would vote for Labour instead of voting for UKIP? This is the kind of contradiction I see in Leavers in general. I really don't understand, people who want to leave still keep voting Tories and Labour

[DieselDaisy]

10 minutes ago, Padme said:

Why people from your Brexit costal area would vote for Labour instead of voting for UKIP? This is the kind of contradiction I see in Leavers in general. I really don't understand, people who want to leave still keep voting Tories and Labour

There are three Labour MPs who voted for ''no deal'' yesterday and the MP representing my area is one of them! 

So there is no contradiction in the case study of my particular area. Ronnie is an old socialist bruiser who hates the Thatcherite EU, however there are a lot of Labour ''leaver'' heartlands which have Blairy centrist Remainer MPs representing them. The answer to your question then would reside in tribal binary voting patterns. That is what I mean by not underestimating how Brexit has impacted on the old voting patterns. 

Edited March 28, 2019 by DieselDaisy

[AtariLegend]

May 22nd is just the next day after the series finale of Game of Thrones.

 

Northern Ireland's greatest export fyi.

 

Edited March 28, 2019 by AtariLegend

[Padme]

20 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

There are three Labour MPs who voted for ''no deal'' yesterday and the MP representing my area is one of them! 

So there is no contradiction in the case study of my particular area. Ronnie is an old socialist bruiser who hates the Thatcherite EU, however there are a lot of Labour ''leaver'' heartlands which have Blairy centrist Remainer MPs representing them. The answer to your question then would reside in tribal binary voting patterns. That is what I mean by not underestimating how Brexit has impacted on the old voting patterns. 

There is only one party that always wanted to leave. Only one party that wanted the referendum. That is UKIP. It is clear your Leave friends voted for the wrong party besides voting for the wrong guy. Yes, some members of Labour and some Tories like the idead of Brexit. But neither party was the main Brexit party

[DieselDaisy]

4 minutes ago, Padme said:

There is only one party that always wanted to leave. Only one party that wanted the referendum. That is UKIP. It is clear your Leave friends voted for the wrong party besides voting for the wrong guy. Yes, some members of Labour and some Tories like the idead of Brexit. But neither party was the main Brexit party

I don't think you understand how British politics work.

[Padme]

1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said:

I don't think you understand how British politics work.

All I can tell you is that there was a referendum. Although Cameron, a Tory was behind it. He never wanted the UK to leave. The UKIP was always the main force. I don't think neither Tories nor Labour are madly in loved with Brexit. They never were. I just think both parties are just playing the role of populist parties just to keep themselves in a position of power. And the people who strongly believe Brexit is the solution to all the problems. Well, they should vote for UKIP.

Look at the current situation. Almost 3 years after the referendum. And the UK is still in square one. With a huge mess in Parliament. It seems it won't be fixed any time soon.