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23 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Do you think the following pick-up line will work on her?

''I'll be your Denis if you can be my Maggie''.

Haha, I sure hope so. Because Id be tongue tied and in need of a line.

And it beats the one I had in pocket "Youre Pretty and Id like to Paddle you":smiley-confused2:

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Rumours abound that Nissan are planning to pull production of the new Qashqui from the Sunderland plant in the event of a no deal Brexit. 

  • Nissan committed to build the next Qashqai at Sunderland in November 2016
  • However, that decision was contingent on a 'soft' Brexit arrangement
  • The Financial Times says sources have confirmed that Nissan will reverse the move in the event of a no-deal Brexit
  • That decision could put the Sunderland factory and 7,000 workers at risk
  • Qashqai accounts for more than half the 440k cars built annually at the UK plant

Talk about self inflicted.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/cars/article-7524879/No-deal-Brexit-prompt-Nissan-review-Sunderland-Qashqai-decision-FT.html

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Watching a right-wing speech by Priti is better than porn hub.

9 minutes ago, Dazey said:

Rumours abound that Nissan are planning to pull production of the new Qashqui from the Sunderland plant in the event of a no deal Brexit. 

  • Nissan committed to build the next Qashqai at Sunderland in November 2016
  • However, that decision was contingent on a 'soft' Brexit arrangement
  • The Financial Times says sources have confirmed that Nissan will reverse the move in the event of a no-deal Brexit
  • That decision could put the Sunderland factory and 7,000 workers at risk
  • Qashqai accounts for more than half the 440k cars built annually at the UK plant

Talk about self inflicted.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/cars/article-7524879/No-deal-Brexit-prompt-Nissan-review-Sunderland-Qashqai-decision-FT.html

You are aware that automobile plants have been closing constantly for a plethora of reasons? There have been closures long before Brexit. We lost Standard's Coventry base way back in 1980. Vauxhall's Luton plant closed 2002. Rover closed their Brummie locality and Jaguar their Coventry facility, both in 2005. Maybe we should blame the EU for these closures seeing we were thoroughly integrated within the single market/customs union and seemingly integrated for some duration?

The automobile industry faces other changes besides Brexit, such as electrification (diesel facilities finding themselves obsolete) and changing markets; there has been a general drift from European markets to China and the US in recent years which would exist even without Brexit. 

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The problem with analysing the European Union through a solely economic prism is that the EU is not solely an economic enterprise. It is judicial (ECJ), European law subordinating member state law. It is intergovernmental and diplomatic (CFSP), with a lofty sounding ''High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy'' representing it internationally. It has a ''representative-parliamentarian'' element (European Parliament), which isn't very democratic unfortunately but for sake of argument let's not go there? It has developed distinct ''party'' ideologies: Eurofederalist, Eurorealist, soft-Eurosceptic, hard-Eurosceptic. It possesses seven - I repeat seven - presidencies. It has military ambitions (CSDP). It has various cultural-educational-propagandistic elements such as the European Schools which aims to create, 

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in mind Europeans, schooled and ready to complete and consolidate the work of their fathers before them, to bring into being a united and thriving Europe (Marcel Decombis).

 

Heck, it even has a superhero, 

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I'm sure Soul and perhaps Dazey also would agree with Decombis' sentiment but the point is that this is unrelated to discussions of ''budgeting'', ''market access'' and ''job closures''! If it was just the ''common market'' (as it used to be known), which was more akin to what we originally joined in 1973, I'd agree: the EU can be judged on solely economic terms, trade benefits and EU investment, jobs, etc., but that is no longer the case and hasn't been for some time.

An analyse of the European Union and the benefits/negatives of continued membership therefore can only be multi-facilitated. It is the only approach.

35 minutes ago, bucketfoot said:

Ending free movement - check

Australian-style points system - check

Tougher on crime - check

I love you, Priti Patel.

 

Sexy as hell. Check. 

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15 hours ago, bucketfoot said:

What happens when you put the Brexiteers in charge? Stuff gets done.

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All joking aside, I've got to say that it looks like Boris might be onto a winner here. Just listening to Julia this morning and she seems on board with it which surprises me. The deputy for the 1922 committee is on now saying he'd be fine with it and so is Rees-Mogg along with a number of prominent Labour MPs. So yeah, if Europe are willing to compromise this looks like game over. Wow! :o 

Farage was shitting a brick last night on his radio show however. :lol: 

The Tories are looking at a massive majority in a General Election if this does go to plan also.

 

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14 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Sounds like the best possible outcome now?

The big difference is that he seems to have the numbers to get this through parliament. I think that makes no deal a more credible threat to the EU and I think they’ll be more inclined to compromise as a result. Before they could try and leverage the old withdrawal agreement knowing that parliament would block any other outcome. The math changed on that scenario yesterday. 

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13 minutes ago, Dazey said:

The big difference is that he seems to have the numbers to get this through parliament. I think that makes no deal a more credible threat to the EU and I think they’ll be more inclined to compromise as a result. Before they could try and leverage the old withdrawal agreement knowing that parliament would block any other outcome. The math changed on that scenario yesterday. 

What about the backstop issue?

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1 hour ago, SoulMonster said:

What about the backstop issue?

That’s the big unknown for now. The proposal does address the backstop by keeping Northern Ireland in the customs union until December 2020 and then aligned with EU goods regulations thereafter if the Northern Irish assembly agrees.

This could lead to some border checks on the island of Ireland however. The fallback would effectively mean a defacto no deal scenario affecting Northern Ireland in years to come. 

I guess the mitigation to such a scenario would be the assumption that the remainder of the UK would have already left with a deal some years earlier and should have their shit together by then.  

This is my immediate take on it having not read the full text of the proposal at this point. 

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1 hour ago, Dazey said:

That’s the big unknown for now. The proposal does address the backstop by keeping Northern Ireland in the customs union until December 2020 and then aligned with EU goods regulations thereafter if the Northern Irish assembly agrees.

This could lead to some border checks on the island of Ireland however. The fallback would effectively mean a defacto no deal scenario affecting Northern Ireland in years to come. 

I guess the mitigation to such a scenario would be the assumption that the remainder of the UK would have already left with a deal some years earlier and should have their shit together by then.  

This is my immediate take on it having not read the full text of the proposal at this point. 

Every time I think I understand the backstop, I see it used in a way that makes me think that I dont understand it. Can you fill me in, please?

Is it a Brexit 'structure' or has it been in place since the Peace Accord?

Its a law or a concept? I think its a manner of waiving customs enforcement to maintain peace?

I read these, not trying to be lazy, but still dont get it

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-politics-44615404

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/15/what-is-the-brexit-backstop

 

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4 hours ago, Dazey said:

General Election if this does go to plan also.

Nah the numbers would change if Brexit happened anyway. If a no deal happened, voters might not be happy if there isn't a sudden economic boom regardless of what readers of the Telegraph think. If a deal does happen, then the Tories are back to being just the Tory party with Brexit off the agenda which might be a problem for them.

Honestly this deal is even worse than May's deal for Northern Ireland. Won't be acceptable (at least by the public here). The DUP are not representative of the majority of this place. One of the downsides of fptp.

I think the danger, is that there are Labour mps who'd back (outside of your John Mann/Kate Hoey), even though this is essentially a harder brexit than under May. 

Best hope is the EU reject this and Labour stall for an election for a few months during a lengthy extension.

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8 hours ago, soon said:

Every time I think I understand the backstop, I see it used in a way that makes me think that I dont understand it. Can you fill me in, please?

Is it a Brexit 'structure' or has it been in place since the Peace Accord?

Its a law or a concept? I think its a manner of waiving customs enforcement to maintain peace?

I read these, not trying to be lazy, but still dont get it

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-politics-44615404

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/15/what-is-the-brexit-backstop

 

The backstop is a part of Theresa May's original withdrawal agreement. Basically it keeps the whole of the UK in a customs union with the rest of the EU after Brexit until a permanent agreement on future arrangements can be made. The issue Brexiters have with it is that it doesn't allow the UK to enter into trade deals with any other countries outside the EU and it can't be cancelled without EU approval.

Brexiters claim that this is unacceptable for the above reasons whereas the EU claim it's necessary to protect single market trade until a better solution can be found. Of course Brexiters also claim that there should be no need for the backstop as there are loads of easy solutions to this dilemma while at the same time failing to actually present any such solutions. :lol: 

The new proposal basically does much of the above but it draws a border in the Irish Sea leaving only Northern Ireland under these restrictions. The sticking point seems to that the Northern Irish government would have a vote every 4 years on whether to remain in that arrangement. This would be unilateral giving the EU no say over things which they're not too happy about.

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