soon Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 17 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: Trudeau's opening speech, Trudeau first coalition meeting with the NDP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) 33 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: You said Parliament is a example of ''better times'' here, and mentioned the British Empire as an example, yet there is nothing particularly ''Imperial'' about Westminster as it originated far earlier, when England was actually a rather weak country. I do not understand the point you were making then. The point I was making is that some parliamentary customs that seem hilariously dated to us non-Brits, like shown in the video posted, are leftovers from a time that some Brits might consider to have been better. All this pomp and traditions and rituals, as seen in your Parliament, your Monarchy, all originate at different times and some predate what anyone would consider "better times", yet are inextricably connected to customs of the British Empire or when you were at your height. It is like you know it is all gone but at least the archaic customs can't be taken away from you! It's just a case of pretending and appearances. Edited October 22, 2019 by SoulMonster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, SoulMonster said: yet are inextricably connected to customs of the British Empire or when you were at your height. They aren't though! If you said tea drinking, Palladian architecture or many of the customs associated with the armed forces I'd have agreed with you. PS You have a point about the monarchy which, although commencing in the 9th century (this is true for both England and Scotland)*, appropriated much of the pomp and ceremony of empire during the 18th and 19th century. The best example of this is Queen Victoria being made Empress of India by Prime Minister Disraeli. We still see traces of this monarchical-imperial association in the honours system. * Present dynasty however is as recent as 1901, changing its name from Saxe-Coburg and Gotha to Windsor in 1917 but effectively the same royal house. Edited October 22, 2019 by DieselDaisy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 ''Boris is a fascist who is stopping Parliament from debating'', Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucketfoot Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 2 hours ago, DieselDaisy said: Trudeau's opening speech, Loves a bit of blacking up, does Trudeau. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 In layman's terms Boris won the vote (by a reasonable margin) but this triumph was rather cancelled out by losing the second vote which was about pushing bill through in three days. Again, the cycle continues... 19 Labour MPs backing Boris's bill incidentally, Quote Kevin Barron Sarah Champion Rosie Cooper Jon Cruddas Gloria de Piero Jim Fitzpatrick Caroline Flint Mike Hill Dan Jarvis Emma Lewell-Buck John Mann Grahame Morris Lisa Nandy Mel Onn Stephanie Peacock Jo Platt Ruth Smeeth Laura Smith Gareth Snell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucketfoot Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 No longer if we leave..... but when. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, bucketfoot said: No longer if we leave..... but when. The funny thing about that is it betrays his public school background as it is essentially a rugby tackle, an extremely good tackle as it happens, and Boris played rugby union at Eton. Poshers have no idea what (association) football is - it is considered a plebs' sport played and supported by Britain's working classes and a load of dodgy Europeans. Rugby Union, Cricket and Polo are the sports of choice in our public schools (and Oxbridge). 'The sports of empire and commonwealth''. When was the last time an Etonian played in the Premiership? Edited October 22, 2019 by DieselDaisy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 45 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: In layman's terms Boris won the vote (by a reasonable margin) but this triumph was rather cancelled out by losing the second vote which was about pushing bill through in three days. Again, the cycle continues... 19 Labour MPs backing Boris's bill incidentally, As much as this is just going to drag things out I can't really argue with Parliament wanting a little longer than 72 hours to conduct oversight and scrutiny of the bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 11 minutes ago, Dazey said: As much as this is just going to drag things out I can't really argue with Parliament wanting a little longer than 72 hours to conduct oversight and scrutiny of the bill. Scrutiny my arse. They have had three years and it is just the same bill as May's with the backstop removed. They just want to stymie it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: Scrutiny my arse. Only if you buy me dinner afterwards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spunko12345 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said: The funny thing about that is it betrays his public school background as it is essentially a rugby tackle, an extremely good tackle as it happens. Its a terrible rugby tackle, in fact it would be a penalty as he doesn't wrap his arms around he just shoulder barges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLegend Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 The bill was published last night and even gov. ministers hadn't read it. It completely contradicated everything he said about the Northern Ireland border for example. It'd have been foolish for people vote for this before they got a chance to read it. What I don't understand is why he's paused the bill when it seemed he might actually have enough votes. Can only assume he was worried it might actually get passed before a general election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, spunko12345 said: Its a terrible rugby tackle, in fact it would be a penalty as he doesn't wrap his arms around he just shoulder barges. I think it is a good tackle. Will Carling would be proud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: I think it is a good tackle. Will Carling would be proud. Will Carling? More like 12 Carling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Just now, Dazey said: Will Carling? More like 12 Carling. The quipping is strong with this one tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spunko12345 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 12 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: I think it is a good tackle. Will Carling would be proud. The technique is awful. This is more promising...Shows the defender the ball then drops the shoulder in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, spunko12345 said: The technique is awful. This is more promising...Shows the defender the ball then drops the shoulder in. The tackles work better when they're 9 year old Japanese kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 12 hours ago, DieselDaisy said: They aren't though! To people's mind they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 2 hours ago, SoulMonster said: To people's mind they are. Only to people who do not understand much about British history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 1 minute ago, DieselDaisy said: Only to people who do not understand much about British history. Okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 13 hours ago, bucketfoot said: No longer if we leave..... but when. I'd love to see him caught with a check hook coming in like: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Priti in today's metro looking sexy in a pair of specs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLegend Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 8 hours ago, SoulMonster said: Okay. For clarity: British = English History = Telegraph fantasy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 1 hour ago, AtariLegend said: British = English Not really. When England and Scotland formed a Union (1707) Scotland's MPs joined the English Parliament, which thereafter become a British Parliament. It is rather inevitable a discussion of Westminster would begin in England! 1 hour ago, AtariLegend said: History = Telegraph fantasy I don't read the Telegraph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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