DieselDaisy Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Again a media black-out by the thoroughly guardianist BBC and Channel 4 on the situation in France - only Sky reported it a bit. Disgraceful media bias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 On 08/12/2019 at 11:54 AM, bucketfoot said: I really hope Labour go the same way in the rest of the heartlands as they have in Scotland and get wiped out. That would be all they deserve for betraying their core voters. Wankers. In Scotland we at least replaced them with a centre-left party rather than performing a bizarre ideological 180° and deciding that voting for right wing parties would be a good alternative. That's like deciding that the fire station you work in isn't being run very well so rather than seeking a transfer to another, you decide to become an arsonist. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) It is Labour who have done a U-Turn by ditching northern working class issues such as jobs, living standards and housing for London orientated middle class issues such as environmentalism and gay rights - oh, and support for the EU. Supporting rampant migration also. That isn't going to go down well. Edited December 9, 2019 by DieselDaisy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Was BoJos base pissed off at him for mocking Trump? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucketfoot Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Graeme said: In Scotland we at least replaced them with a centre-left party rather than performing a bizarre ideological 180° and deciding that voting for right wing parties would be a good alternative. That's like deciding that the fire station you work in isn't being run very well so rather than seeking a transfer to another, you decide to become an arsonist. I'll be voting for a party who will honour the referendum result and deliver Brexit, not one who refuse to accept democracy and are attempting to force a second, rigged vote. Left wing, Right wing, makes no difference to me. 1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said: It is Labour who have done a U-Turn by ditching northern working class issues such as jobs, living standards and housing for London orientated middle class issues such as environmentalism and gay rights - oh, and support for the EU. Supporting rampant migration also. That isn't going to go down well. Nail on head. Labour are now controlled by London-centric, liberal luvvies, obsessively chasing the minority vote wherever they can. They are now the party of uncontrolled immigration, the party of Eddie Izzard and Owen Jones. They are totally disconnected from the average working class voter. I think Izzard pitching up on Question Time, wearing a pink fucking beret and lippy, is quite possibly what swung the vote in favour of Leave in the end. Cheers Eddie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 UK Yougov, Why Sony? And where is Joanna Lumley? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49762140 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucketfoot Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 On 08/12/2019 at 3:06 PM, DieselDaisy said: Labour now pulling out their celebrity-comedian fans, Steve Coogan and Eddie Izzard - no doubt Grant from Eastenders and Captain Picard are not far behind? I cannot think of anything that would make me less liable to vote for Labour than Eddie Izzard! Steve Coogan gets a pass on account of his God-like genius. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, bucketfoot said: Steve Coogan gets a pass on account of his God-like genius. Not Grant Mitchell? He had it away with Tiff at least so deserves some respect for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucketfoot Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 19 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: Not Grant Mitchell? He had it away with Tiff at least so deserves some respect for that. She hasn't been seen for years, has she? A very underrated bit of fluff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Embarrassing, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: Embarrassing, At least Trump only pretends to drive trucks Both Heads of State required adult supervision in the cabs, though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLegend Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 So if yougov's mrp is right. There's still a chance to stop the Tories. Within the margin of error, due to the number of marginals. It could also still be a landslide, but the likes of Raab, Ian Ducan Smith, Villers are all in danger of lossing their seats regardless. There's even an outside chance of Redwood and Johnson. Johnson though is probably the safest of the lot, but still... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillionsOfSpiders Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 There isn’t any option tomorrow that doesn’t seem like I’m voting for turning this country into a big pile of shit ☹️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLegend Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 3 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said: There isn’t any option tomorrow that doesn’t seem like I’m voting for turning this country into a big pile of shit ☹️ Do you live in a safe seat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) I got a Labour leaflet through the door claiming the NHS was their own creation! In reality Beveridge, a Liberal, proposed it (1942), and a Conservative produced a cabinet white paper for it (1944). True it was implemented by Bevin in 1946 but it was really a cross-party creation. There has been some speculation on Boris being unseated, but I cannot see it myself as Uxbridge and South Ruslip voted Leave 57%. If he was unseated he could seat himself in the Lords, the first Prime Minster to sit in the House of Lords since Lord Salisbury, 1903. It should be hilarious to see Soubry unseated. If there is a god Chuka ''four parties'' Umunna should be unseated also as his constituents will be sick to death of him, but he is in the largest remainer seat in the whole of the United Kingdom, 79%, Waitrose heaven, so probably not? Edited December 11, 2019 by DieselDaisy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 hours ago, DieselDaisy said: I got a Labour leaflet through the door claiming the NHS was their own creation! In reality Beveridge, a Liberal, proposed it (1942), and a Conservative produced a cabinet white paper for it (1944). True it was implemented by Bevin in 1946 but it was really a cross-party creation. In the Westminster Parliamentary System, who other than the sitting govt can create such policies and law? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spunko12345 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 hours ago, DieselDaisy said: I got a Labour leaflet through the door claiming the NHS was their own creation! In reality Beveridge, a Liberal, proposed it (1942), and a Conservative produced a cabinet white paper for it (1944). True it was implemented by Bevin in 1946 but it was really a cross-party creation. That's all bluster and a flourish of dates that have no relevance to anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, soon said: In the Westminster Parliamentary System, who other than the sitting govt can create such policies and law? This is a decent read on the subject. https://www.parliament.uk/documents/lords-information-office/lords-briefing-papers/15840HoLBriefing-Bills.pdf 1 minute ago, spunko12345 said: That's all bluster and a flourish of dates that have no relevance to anything you bald cunt. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, Dazey said: This is a decent read on the subject. https://www.parliament.uk/documents/lords-information-office/lords-briefing-papers/15840HoLBriefing-Bills.pdf Thanks. You know, we have the same parliamentary system minus the differences in your House of Lords *gives you side eye* (J/K I appreciate you taking time to offer that. I was just being more critical than earnest with my question in this case ) Private members bills rarely become law, here in Canada. Even less are they even prioritized to get a reading, with the time restraints. Given that, something as monumental as public healthcare would have to be introduced by the government. Thats where I was speaking from. Maybe Im missing something though? What Dies' has done, so far as I understand, is highlighted how individuals in other parties proposed various forms of public healthcare but that their parties didn't support it. IMHO it doesn't warrant any partial credit going to the parties who didnt bring public healthcare just based on the merit that individuals within their ranks acted in support of it. And, I mean, all bills are informed by preexisting thought (except in the case of Trumps camp ). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 34 minutes ago, spunko12345 said: That's all bluster and a flourish of dates that have no relevance to anything. It is relevant in that Labour are openly bullshitting on their propaganda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, soon said: Thanks. You know, we have the same parliamentary system minus the differences in your House of Lords *gives you side eye* (J/K I appreciate you taking time to offer that. I was just being more critical than earnest with my question in this case ) Private members bills rarely become law, here in Canada. Even less are they even prioritized to get a reading, with the time restraints. Given that, something as monumental as public healthcare would have to be introduced by the government. Thats where I was speaking from. Maybe Im missing something though? What Dies' has done, so far as I understand, is highlighted how individuals in other parties proposed various forms of public healthcare but that their parties didn't support it. IMHO it doesn't warrant any partial credit going to the parties who didnt bring public healthcare just based on the merit that individuals within their ranks acted in support of it. And, I mean, all bills are informed by preexisting thought (except in the case of Trumps camp ). All three parties had National Health Service proposals in their 1945 manifestos. Quote The health services of the country will be made available to all citizens. Everyone will contribute to the cost, and no one will be denied the attention, the treatment or the appliances he requires because he cannot afford them. We propose to create a comprehensive health service covering the whole range of medical treatment from the general practitioner to the specialist, and from the hospital to convalescence and rehabilitation - Conservative manifesto, 1945 Edited December 11, 2019 by DieselDaisy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: All three parties had National Health Service proposals in their 1945 manifestos. - Conservative manifesto, 1945 Thanks. Thats cool to learn. Still, who presented a bill? Im gonna guess it was the Government? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 minute ago, soon said: Thanks. Thats cool to learn. Still, who presented a bill? Im gonna guess it was the Government? I have already told you that: Bevan in 1946. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 33 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: It is relevant in that Labour are openly bullshitting on their propaganda. Speaking of bullshit. https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/general-election-boris-johnson-conservatives-labour-corbyn-facebook-ads-a9241781.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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