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2 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

There will be a civil war in the Labour party between Corbynites/Momentum and the Blairites. 

Can you help me understand this, please? For one thing, Blair?!? Even the Muricans have the good sense to leave Dubya to the dust bin of history. Iraq was a lie. 

The national conversation is forever shifted left though, thanks to Corbyn.

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1 minute ago, soon said:

Can you help me understand this, please? For one thing, Blair?!? Even the Muricans have the good sense to leave Dubya to the dust bin of history. Iraq was a lie. 

The national conversation is forever shifted left though, thanks to Corbyn.

Well I am using Blair in the sense of Blairism, the specific ideology espoused by the right-wing of Labour. I am not suggesting that Tony Blair will do a comeback tour - although that wouldn't shock me. 

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Senior backbencher Lisa Nandy, who would be one of the candidates to get the backing of Unite, refused to rule out standing for the top job. “To be really honest, I don’t know what I’m going to do next,” she said.

Senior backbencher Lisa Nandy refused to rule out standing for the top job

“If anybody thinks they have all the answers they haven’t learnt anything from last night”.

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/battle-labour-leadership-begun-after-21093958

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/14/woman-likely-to-lead-labour-jostling-to-succeed-jeremy-corbyn-begins

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5 minutes ago, Dazey said:

I hope Jess Phillips gets it. 

Seen her perform poorly in interviews but she seems to be one of the better candidates. If Thornberry gets it, Labour are finished. 

Shamed to say I laughed at this on twitter, amidst speculation on which party Chuka will join next,

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1 hour ago, soon said:

Can you help me understand this, please? For one thing, Blair?!? Even the Muricans have the good sense to leave Dubya to the dust bin of history. Iraq was a lie. 

The national conversation is forever shifted left though, thanks to Corbyn.

I think Blair gets a bad rap in a lot of cases. Iraq was a terrible mistake but domestically his policies did a lot of good. Ups and downs like any government and the financial crisis put an end to Labour but it wasn’t all dreadful. 
 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premiership_of_Tony_Blair

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2 minutes ago, Dazey said:

I think Blair gets a bad rap in a lot of cases. Iraq was a terrible mistake but domestically his policies did a lot of good. Ups and downs like any government and the financial crisis put an end to Labour but it wasn’t all dreadful. 
 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premiership_of_Tony_Blair

If Blair had his way we would have joined the Eurozone!! 

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1 minute ago, DieselDaisy said:

If Blair had his way we would have joined the Eurozone!! 

Didn’t say he was perfect by any means. Just that he had some good domestic policies. 

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4 minutes ago, Dazey said:

Didn’t say he was perfect by any means. Just that he had some good domestic policies. 

He also once upon a time saw Cheri Booth at a party and said to himself, ''phew, she's a looker''. 

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Of course it was Blair who brought in possibly the worst bit of legislation since the Yanks banned alcohol in the 1920s: student tuition fees, 1998. 

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8 minutes ago, Gibsonfender2323 said:

It's a joke  

Because all politics are fucked up

Claiming all politics are fucked up is a joke. A bad one. 

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4 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Claiming all politics are fucked up is a joke. A bad one. 

No its not. People beliving they are the only ones who are right and not fucked up while everyone else is wrong is the biggest joke in history

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2 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

Of course it was Blair who brought in possibly the worst bit of legislation since the Yanks banned alcohol in the 1920s: student tuition fees, 1998. 

The last time a left wing Labour Party won a majority (+3) was 45 years ago. Tony Blair moved the party to the centre in 1997 and won three in a row.

I get that he wasn't Labour Classic but that was still 13 years when the Tories were out of power. 

To be honest though I think we've seen the last Labour majority anyway given the electoral map in Scotland. I think any future non-Tory government is a Labour/SNP coalition. 

In fact if I were Boris right now I'd be handing a second independence referendum to Nicola Sturgeon on a silver platter. 

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I really don't like this. Brexit was probably going to happen anyway, but this didn't need to happen. I don't think some people realize when they walk past a foodbank or a homeless person, how nasty it is to suggest people deserve it. I'm only 31, but this was a very different country when I was a teenager.

The Kensington one was particularly sickening. Sam Gyimah the darling of the liberal media (simply for quitting the Conservatives). Parachuted across the country into a seat the Liberal Democrats thought they could exploit, that he had no connection with. Ran a campaign of suggesting the incumbent Labour mp (who narrowly won it in 2017) was responsible for Grenfell. Also had tactical voting sites (such as Best for Britain ran by a Lib Dem) suggest remain Labour voters should tactically vote for him. Labour lost it by less than a hair, and he came a distant 3rd on 9K votes.

I have a lot of other thoughts, but they don't really matter.

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4 hours ago, Gibsonfender2323 said:

No its not. People beliving they are the only ones who are right and not fucked up while everyone else is wrong is the biggest joke in history

Believing you have the best answers is not only an intrinsic part of the human condition but also a prerequisite to get things done. 

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8 hours ago, Dazey said:

The last time a left wing Labour Party won a majority (+3) was 45 years ago. Tony Blair moved the party to the centre in 1997 and won three in a row.

I get that he wasn't Labour Classic but that was still 13 years when the Tories were out of power. 

To be honest though I think we've seen the last Labour majority anyway given the electoral map in Scotland. I think any future non-Tory government is a Labour/SNP coalition. 

In fact if I were Boris right now I'd be handing a second independence referendum to Nicola Sturgeon on a silver platter. 

Neither Wilson nor Callaghan were ''the left wing of Labour'' however. The left wing of the Labour Party during Wilson and Callaghan's tenure was represented by Michael Foot and Tony Benn. 

 It is a pity for your party that Caroline Flint lost her seat. Spoke a heck of a lot of sense this morning whilst eviscerating Corbynism and would be a good candidate for leadership,

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/10555533/caroline-flint-blasts-emily-thornberry-for-calling-voters-stupid/

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13 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

Nandy can get it! The Party leadership too.

Whats shes saying seems to align with what people have been critical of about Labour under Corbyn and also aligns with what they say that they want. She wants to be "rooted in the communities." No London elitism from my girl. And here shes also being strategic without selling out her just principles.

I hope this works out, and not only because that means more pics and news about her :wub: But also because she seems to be what y'all want in Labour, as far as I understand.

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I don't understand the SNP's independence plans whatsoever.

Seeing as Scotland would want to join the European Union,

- If they keep Pound Sterling England would have to firstly agree to currency union; if England does agree then the Bank of England would control Scottish interest rates! ''Independence'' would mean merely forgoing political sway whilst subordinating the Scottish economy to England. They also can't join the European Union as per Maastricht.

- If Scotland want to join the European Union they would have to sign up to the Eurozone or negotiate an opt-out (see below). In either circumstances, this would basically replicate ''the Irish Border question'' between England and Scotland! It is utterly comical hearing SNP politicians basically paraphrase Boris Johnson on ''technological'' and ''Scandinavian solutions'' to border checks, despite criticising - even claiming they are ''fictional'' - these very same policies themselves when applied to Northern Ireland! 

- If they are determined on a new Scottish currency (''the Salmond''?), they can't join the Eurozone and therefore the European Union, unless they negotiate an opt-out like Denmark and the United Kingdom!

So what one is it?

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56 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

I don't understand the SNP's independence plans whatsoever.

Seeing as Scotland would want to join the European Union,

- If they keep Pound Sterling England would have to firstly agree to currency union; if England does agree then the Bank of England would control Scottish interest rates! ''Independence'' would mean merely forgoing political sway whilst subordinating the Scottish economy to England. They also can't join the European Union as per Maastricht.

- If Scotland want to join the European Union they would have to sign up to the Eurozone or negotiate an opt-out (see below). In either circumstances, this would basically replicate ''the Irish Border question'' between England and Scotland! It is utterly comical hearing SNP politicians basically paraphrase Boris Johnson on ''technological'' and ''Scandinavian solutions'' to border checks, despite criticising - even claiming they are ''fictional'' - these very same policies themselves when applied to Northern Ireland! 

- If they are determined on a new Scottish currency (''the Salmond''?), they can't join the Eurozone and therefore the European Union, unless they negotiate an opt-out like Denmark and the United Kingdom!

So what one is it?

What do you reckon to this? 😂

On a scale of one to ten how bad do you reckon it would go?

https://indywales.github.io/IndyWales/

 

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8 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

Believing you have the best answers is not only an intrinsic part of the human condition but also a prerequisite to get things done. 

Getting things done is one thing. Believing you are the only one with all the right answers it's arrogance. Chances are you have some good ideas and no so good ones. You have to keep an open mind and listen to others. That's the problem with world leaders everywhere. At the end, all they care about is power. There are few exceptions I'm afraid.

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