Dazey Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Len Cnut said: Apparently they’re gonna do over the statue of Baden Powell now. I didn’t know he was a racist. Come to that all I know about him was that he started the scouts. Well he was probably a nonce then and hence we're well rid of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dazey said: Well he was probably a nonce then and hence we're well rid of him. Apparently he met with Hitler to discuss closer relations between the scouts and the Hitler Youth. Doesn't Stephen Fry play him, or a piss take thereof in a Black Adder? Or The Thin Blue Line? Perhaps he was just a dotty old cunt that was drawing towards the scouting and nothing more? I think a more thorough investigation of this meeting and when and how it happened and what it entailed is probably called for before knocking his statue down because the rest of the accusations against him, spoke against homosexuality and masturbation, well fuck me, what public figure of that era came out in support of those? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 9 minutes ago, Dazey said: Well he was probably a nonce then and hence we're well rid of him. See, he was just an off his tits eccentric, I can see him wandering into a meeting with Hitler in the 1930s not knowing fuck all about the dark side of em Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillionsOfSpiders Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 (edited) The state of this lot in London today, embarrassing for the UK And that hard man at the end in a green t shirt going after the smallest officer he can see Edited June 13, 2020 by MillionsOfSpiders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 The people with out weapons are the violent ones? Interesting take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillionsOfSpiders Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 Yes. Morons who turned up to defend the cenotaph against BLM and are pissed off they weren’t allowed through by police so started on them. The football lads out for trouble because they’ve nothing better to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 Ah, that's what Diesel's doing 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 (edited) Oh this is the Right? Wish the cops wouldve responded accordingly, then. Also, what is this cenotaph everyone over there is on about all the time lately? Edited June 13, 2020 by soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, soon said: Oh this is the Right? Wish the cops wouldve responded accordingly, then. Also, what is this cenotaph everyone over there is on about all the time lately? A war memorial, or rather peace memorial I think. I have no idea why parts of the BLM movement wants to vandalise it. I don't see the connection. Maybe it is just thought of as a symbol over British colonialism? Still, that is with some degrees of separation while it is directly and closely held dear, I assume, to all Brits who have fought and lost in their wars and conflicts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: A war memorial, or rather peace memorial I think. I have no idea why parts of the BLM movement wants to vandalise it. I don't see the connection. Maybe it is just thought of as a symbol over British colonialism? Still, that is with some degrees of separation while it is directly and closely held dear, I assume, to all Brits who have fought and lost in their wars and conflicts. Thanks for filling me in. I remember it from a Pink Floyd song now, lol. Yeah, stuff like that is complex. Because it is, in part, a memorial to the racist colonial and imperial expeditions which still leave immense misery and destruction in their wake. But its also a memorial to the those who sacrificed their lives and limbs fighting fascism. Not to mention the class implications, and the constrained choices leading towards enrolment, of many soldiers. But to me all that could be explored about the complexity is actually secondary to the idea that people are willing to get their heads kicked in and/or careers ruined over symbolism. Fucking symbolism, really?? Smh Defending it, when it can easily be cleaned of graffiti, is still far dumber than attacking it imo. But strategically theres really not much meat on the bone to attacking it (unless its a cleaver rouse to get Right wingers arrested and into the system). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillionsOfSpiders Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 There have been gatherings like that all over the UK to defend memorials and statues. I don’t get it personally, to me it just looks like a bunch of hooligans looking for a fight. I bet most of them don’t even know what they’re defending. I thought it was great when the people pulled down the Colston statue and jumped all over him, then rolled him into the river. I don’t know how anyone can watch it and think it’s vandalism. The UK doesn’t want to face its colonial past - when I was at school the history of the British Empire was taught like it was all good for everyone and a massive achievement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axl_morris Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 The cenataph is a war memorial remembering those who died in both world wars. The monarchy and political Leaders gather round it once a year to pay respects. It was graffitied with ACAB last week, and someone tried to burn the flag. Some soldiers in civilian clothing went to clean it off the next day and were given all sorts of abuse. This ignited alot of anger in the veteran community, who have lost friends In various conflicts. So they made a stand to defend it as it continued to be graffitied, they don't want drawn into a political/racial debate thats essentially started in America. The veterans protested peacefully at the cenataph without trouble. The "football fans"... Err Britain first/EDL, far right were counter protesting in parliament Square at the Churchill memorial. They were wanting a fight but never got one as the BLM protest was in Hyde park. They got a bit loud with the police and then went to Hyde park looking for a fight to find a few people having a picnic. Now we're all offended at statues that for decades no one's giving a shit about. Oh and everyone probably has Corona virus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 Made me chuckle: "If you take down monuments to evildoers, people will forget the dark parts of history, which is why nobody knows who Hitler was." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spunko12345 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 11 hours ago, soon said: Thanks for filling me in. I remember it from a Pink Floyd song now, lol. Yeah, stuff like that is complex. Because it is, in part, a memorial to the racist colonial and imperial expeditions which still leave immense misery and destruction in their wake. But its also a memorial to the those who sacrificed their lives and limbs fighting fascism. Not to mention the class implications, and the constrained choices leading towards enrolment, of many soldiers. But to me all that could be explored about the complexity is actually secondary to the idea that people are willing to get their heads kicked in and/or careers ruined over symbolism. Fucking symbolism, really?? Smh Defending it, when it can easily be cleaned of graffiti, is still far dumber than attacking it imo. But strategically theres really not much meat on the bone to attacking it (unless its a cleaver rouse to get Right wingers arrested and into the system). I agree. The problem is that people can attribute any meaning they want to these monuments regardless of what the person who erected it meant it it mean. They might have meant it to mean a tribute to people who died in wars but concepts, meanings and ideas flow into people's brains in different ways so what's sacred to some is an insult to others. The cenotaph is in actual fact a lump of concrete. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spunko12345 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 12 hours ago, SoulMonster said: Ah, that's what Diesel's doing Don't be daft, one swish from a police baton and his wig would blow off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLegend Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 (edited) 2 "qurantine raves" last night with about 6k people between them in Manchester. At least 1 dead of an od and 3 others stabbed. Though at least they all got to "test their eyesight". Edited June 14, 2020 by AtariLegend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basic_GnR_Fan Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 On 6/13/2020 at 4:08 PM, MillionsOfSpiders said: There have been gatherings like that all over the UK to defend memorials and statues. I don’t get it personally, to me it just looks like a bunch of hooligans looking for a fight. I bet most of them don’t even know what they’re defending. I thought it was great when the people pulled down the Colston statue and jumped all over him, then rolled him into the river. I don’t know how anyone can watch it and think it’s vandalism. The UK doesn’t want to face its colonial past - when I was at school the history of the British Empire was taught like it was all good for everyone and a massive achievement. That doesn't ring true to me. That may be true in Japan where they literally couldn't give two shits about apologizing for their empire days. But even American students get a view of the British Empire as an achievement but one that was more on the evil side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spunko12345 Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 On 13/06/2020 at 10:08 PM, MillionsOfSpiders said: The UK doesn’t want to face its colonial past - when I was at school the history of the British Empire was taught like it was all good for everyone and a massive achievement. It was though. Until the slave business dried up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Jay Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 The product of British's education system. She's a leading London activist and local police advisory committee member. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 Spot the difference. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Silent Jay said: The product of British's education system. She's a leading London activist and local police advisory committee member. Yeah, us "British's" should really be ashamed of our education system. Edited June 15, 2020 by Dazey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 5 minutes ago, Dazey said: Yeah, us "British's" should really be ashamed of our education system. There is no "British" education system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Graeme said: There is no "British" education system. No American one either if Silent Jay is to be held up as an example. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 Well, also there no country called America. So... yeah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 9 minutes ago, soon said: Well, also there no country called America. So... yeah Piss off you fucking hippy! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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