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13 hours ago, Padme said:

No Henry VIII powers. Thanks to some rebel Tories who decided to join the opposition :smiley-confused2:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/13/tory-brexit-rebels-inflict-major-defeat-on-theresa-may

 

Actually there was an amendment on removing the Henry VIII powers immediately after that vote. The government won that one.

That vote above that was the headline, was on making the vote on the deal actually mean something. So there is an obscure chance Brexit does get stopped in the end, but I still reckon the best chance is another election.

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19 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Henry VIII powers? Which idiot came up with that description?

Believe it or not Henry the 8th.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proclamation_by_the_Crown_Act_1539

The difference is a PM now has those powers.

For those not from the UK, let's say a bill is passed... This kind of clause if inserted into the bill, makes it possible to change everything the bill covers retrospectively without vote. In other words changing the description of laws retrospectively after a vote has occurred and not allowing a re-vote.

Sounds a bit silly using a 16th century technicality, right? Well not for these people.

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1 minute ago, AtariLegend said:

Believe it or not Henry the 8th.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proclamation_by_the_Crown_Act_1539

The difference is a PM now has those powers.

For those not from the UK, let's say a bill is passed... It makes it possible to change everything the bill covers retrospectively without vote. In other words changing the description of laws retrospectively after a vote has occurred and not allowing a re-vote.

Sounds a bit silly using a 16th century technicality, right? Well not for these people.

The analogy with the Henrician act is utter bollocks. 

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6 hours ago, AtariLegend said:

They included the clause in the bill. So nope.

I'll read into it when I get the time.

You do realise that if there is another general election, resulting in either another Tory or a Labour government, under both outcomes there will still be buckfast? 

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Labour accepts the referendum result and a Labour government will put the national interest first.

- their official website

 

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The problem is Blair is so toxic he's a net negative to any cause.

The Tories might have voted for it and done the same if they were in power, but Blair's the one responsible for taking those decisions a decade ago.

So many people dead and it was all brushed off in the end.

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So what's everyone's thoughts on Green finally being forced to resign?

Anyone other than Diesel sympathetic enough to Green spending several hours a day watching porn on his office computer to brand the police who arrested him a decade ago over "aiding and abetting misconduct in public office" and "conspiring to commit misconduct in a public office" enemies of the people? Should be noted for those that didn't pay attention to the allegations a month ago, he also one of those accused of sexually harassing women or as the Tories call it "being handsy".

Are the women who accused Green simply just vile hard-left remainers?

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35 minutes ago, AtariLegend said:

So what's everyone's thoughts on Green finally being forced to resign?

Anyone other than Diesel sympathetic enough to Green spending several hours a day watching porn on his office computer to brand the police who arrested him a decade ago over "aiding and abetting misconduct in public office" and "conspiring to commit misconduct in a public office" enemies of the people? Should be noted for those that didn't pay attention to the allegations a month ago, he also one of those accused of sexually harassing women or as the Tories call it "being handsy".

Are the women who accused Green simply just vile hard-left remainers?

Two different things. Watching porn is not a crime. Men have been doing it for ages. And it's a private metter. I'm not gonna tell a guy what he should watch in his house. Having said that, if the guy has been watching porn while he is working on important issue regarding a given policy. It means he doesn't take his job seriously. It is not his job to watch porn in his office

But sexual harassment, that's another story. That's very serious wrong doing. And yes, he shouldn't be in office despite the fact that those are only allegations at this point. Even if he is innocent. He is still in the eye of the storm right now.

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19 minutes ago, Padme said:

Two different things. Watching porn is not a crime. Men have been doing it for ages. And it's a private metter. I'm not gonna tell a guy what he should watch in his house. Having said that, if the guy has been watching porn while he is working on important issue regarding a given policy. It means he doesn't take his job seriously. It is not his job to watch porn in his office

But sexual harassment, that's another story. That's very serious wrong doing. And yes, he shouldn't be in office despite the fact that those are only allegations at this point. Even if he is innocent. He is still in the eye of the storm right now.

Just want to point out that it was "hours" a day regularly at work. Why does it matter to someone like me though? 

Well consider the investigatory powers that the EU is blocking currently that he voted for, along with the changes to accessing porn sites next year (verification and the idea that it'd have to be approved by the BBFC), he's a hypocrite. The chances are that whatever he was viewing although currently legal, will probably be illegal after next year.

Consider though why the police looked at the computer in the first place.

Add in the fact that they tried to suggest this was about Brexit and the police are the bad guys with the help of Murdoch/Dacre and you get a rather unpleasant example of a Tory. The attempts by the right to brand the police/judges and people that don't vote for them as traitors/saboteurs is extremely dangerous as history as told.

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3 hours ago, AtariLegend said:

So what's everyone's thoughts on Green finally being forced to resign?

Anyone other than Diesel sympathetic enough to Green spending several hours a day watching porn on his office computer to brand the police who arrested him a decade ago over "aiding and abetting misconduct in public office" and "conspiring to commit misconduct in a public office" enemies of the people? Should be noted for those that didn't pay attention to the allegations a month ago, he also one of those accused of sexually harassing women or as the Tories call it "being handsy".

Are the women who accused Green simply just vile hard-left remainers?

Why are you singling me out in all this?

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3 hours ago, AtariLegend said:

Just want to point out that it was "hours" a day regularly at work. Why does it matter to someone like me though? 

Well consider the investigatory powers that the EU is blocking currently that he voted for, along with the changes to accessing porn sites next year (verification and the idea that it'd have to be approved by the BBFC), he's a hypocrite. The chances are that whatever he was viewing although currently legal, will probably be illegal after next year.

Consider though why the police looked at the computer in the first place.

Add in the fact that they tried to suggest this was about Brexit and the police are the bad guys with the help of Murdoch/Dacre and you get a rather unpleasant example of a Tory. The attempts by the right to brand the police/judges and people that don't vote for them as traitors/saboteurs is extremely dangerous as history as told.

But besides of this EU issue or Murdoch, the guy didn't care that taxpayers pay his salary. He was in his office wasting his time and UK citizens money watching porn.  In his office he should've been doing his job. On top of that there are allegations about sexual harassment

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I'd be more surprised about a (male) Member of Parliament not watching porn to be honest. Considering Westminster I'd say that internet porn is very mild. I mean a rentboy scandal is considered basically routine at Westminster.

Heck, Gladstone, the ''grand old man'', used to whip himself and had a strange obsession with prostitutes or ''fallen women'' as they were known then. And he is considered one of our greatest Prime Ministers!

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1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said:

I'd be more surprised about a (male) Member of Parliament not watching porn to be honest. Considering Westminster I'd say that internet porn is very mild. I mean a rentboy scandal is considered basically routine at Westminster.

Heck, Gladstone, the ''grand old man'', used to whip himself and had a strange obsession with prostitutes or ''fallen women'' as they were known then. And he is considered one of our greatest Prime Ministers!

They can watch all the porn they want but at their houses. Further more, during a bathroom break or during lunch time while in Parliament. The can take a look at Playboy magazine. They can watch a video. They can have a quicky with a secretary if she is willing to do it. But when they in their office, during work hours they have to be focused in their job.

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3 hours ago, Padme said:

They can watch all the porn they want but at their houses. Further more, during a bathroom break or during lunch time while in Parliament. The can take a look at Playboy magazine. They can watch a video. They can have a quicky with a secretary if she is willing to do it. But when they in their office, during work hours they have to be focused in their job.

I do not think it quite works like that. There is inherently going to be moments when there is nothing to do in the office, and human nature being what it is, Pornhub beckons. 

In the old days before the net, people in offices used to look busy by playing pong. 

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On 12/21/2017 at 11:02 PM, Graeme said:

Who has so little self-control that they're compelled to masturbate at their office job?

If you ever find yourself unfortunate enough to be working in an office, remember this conversation whenever you have to borrow a pen from a colleague.

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9 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

If you ever find yourself unfortunate enough to be working in an office, remember this conversation whenever you have to borrow a pen from a colleague.

:lol: What are you implying they'll have been doing with the pen?

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  • 2 weeks later...

Any truth to this article saying the UK healthcare system is in shambles?  Had to cancel 50,000 surgeries?

https://hotair.com/archives/2018/01/05/great-moments-single-payer-britain-cancels-50000-surgeries/

 "The UK’s vaunted single-payer system has collapsed into “third world” conditions, thanks to a lack of resources that has ambulances unable to pick up patients, who would find difficulty in getting an empty bed at a hospital. The order came down this week from on high to cancel as many as 50,000 scheduled surgeries over the next several weeks until the National Health Service can figure out how to climb out of the hole (via Guy Benson)"

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