AtariLegend Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 "Third World Conditions", according to Fox News commentator? I guess it's like these sharia law no go zones in the UK where the police fear to tread? The 50,000 scheduled surgeries neglects to mention that it's mostly for minor things. The English part of the NHS is where it is currently, because that's how the Tories want it. Despite that, it's one of the best health care systems in the world where people have a better life expectancy than in the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Nova Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 1 hour ago, AtariLegend said: "Third World Conditions", according to Fox News commentator? I guess it's like these sharia law no go zones in the UK where the police fear to tread? The 50,000 scheduled surgeries neglects to mention that it's mostly for minor things. The English part of the NHS is where it is currently, because that's how the Tories want it. Despite that, it's one of the best health care systems in the world where people have a better life expectancy than in the US. I don't think that guy was from Fox News. Still seems problematic that they would need to cancel 50,000 surgeries and close down clinics, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 Yes, it has a lot of problems. Used to be the best in the world but it is now chronically underfunded. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLegend Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 52 minutes ago, Kasanova King said: I don't think that guy was from Fox News. https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=opera&q=Guy+Benson&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Nova Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 18 minutes ago, AtariLegend said: https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=opera&q=Guy+Benson&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 Ed Morrisey is the author of the blog. And even if he was from Fox News, all he is doing is pointing out facts. Not so sure what that has to do with anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLegend Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 44 minutes ago, Kasanova King said: Ed Morrisey is the author of the blog. And even if he was from Fox News, all he is doing is pointing out facts. Not so sure what that has to do with anything. 13 hours ago, Kasanova King said: Any truth to this article saying the UK healthcare system is in shambles? Had to cancel 50,000 surgeries? https://hotair.com/archives/2018/01/05/great-moments-single-payer-britain-cancels-50000-surgeries/ "The UK’s vaunted single-payer system has collapsed into “third world” conditions, thanks to a lack of resources that has ambulances unable to pick up patients, who would find difficulty in getting an empty bed at a hospital. The order came down this week from on high to cancel as many as 50,000 scheduled surgeries over the next several weeks until the National Health Service can figure out how to climb out of the hole (via Guy Benson)" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Nova Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 8 minutes ago, AtariLegend said: Right. So what? Author of the blog was someone else. And obviously what he stated is true....if anything would validate Fox News as a source. So not sure where you are coming from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 24 minutes ago, Kasanova King said: Right. So what? Author of the blog was someone else. And obviously what he stated is true....if anything would validate Fox News as a source. So not sure where you are coming from. There are some big problems https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jan/02/nhs-hospitals-told-to-take-unprecedented-measures-amid-winter-crisis?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_WhatsApp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Nova Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 20 minutes ago, Padme said: There are some big problems https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jan/02/nhs-hospitals-told-to-take-unprecedented-measures-amid-winter-crisis?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_WhatsApp Wow, that's crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 27 minutes ago, Kasanova King said: Wow, that's crazy. The issue is that the conservative government is deliberately under funding the NHS. The idea being that by running it into the ground they sell it off to private companies. The current health minister is a guy called Jeremy Hunt who once co-authored a book recommending replacing our health service with US style private insurance. This should tell you all you need to know. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-hunt-privatise-nhs-tories-privatising-private-insurance-market-replacement-direct-democracy-a6865306.html%3famp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 8 hours ago, Dazey said: The issue is that the conservative government is deliberately under funding the NHS. The idea being that by running it into the ground they sell it off to private companies. The current health minister is a guy called Jeremy Hunt who once co-authored a book recommending replacing our health service with US style private insurance. This should tell you all you need to know. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-hunt-privatise-nhs-tories-privatising-private-insurance-market-replacement-direct-democracy-a6865306.html%3famp "That's the standard technique of privatization: defund, make sure things don't work, people get angry, you hand it over to private capital." Noam Chomsky KK: read the article Padme posted and note the shock of the professionals at the difficulties being encountered, people who've worked in the NHS for decades saying things like "I've never seen anything like this". Does that not suggest to you that this is out of the ordinary for a system which has historically coped well? Also bear in mind that these surgeries are all "non-urgent" and that all patients' operations will go ahead at a later date. If you're in a life-threatening situation you will still be seen then and there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 The NHS was buggered before the Tories got back into power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 4 hours ago, Graeme said: "That's the standard technique of privatization: defund, make sure things don't work, people get angry, you hand it over to private capital." Noam Chomsky KK: read the article Padme posted and note the shock of the professionals at the difficulties being encountered, people who've worked in the NHS for decades saying things like "I've never seen anything like this". Does that not suggest to you that this is out of the ordinary for a system which has historically coped well? Also bear in mind that these surgeries are all "non-urgent" and that all patients' operations will go ahead at a later date. If you're in a life-threatening situation you will still be seen then and there. Don't worry with Brexit the Government will give 350 million pounds to the NHS I don't think this time people will fall for the private sector bullshit. I mean look at the trains. Railways have been in private hands for decades, they still suck. And people have to deal with very expensive tickets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLegend Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 I still can't believe they haven't backtracked on Toby Young's appointment yet. It's not that much a step away from Katie Hopkins. So much social harm is going to be done if they last till 2022. ...And I lay the blame at the Tory voters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 May with Marr today https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/07/what-theresa-may-told-andrew-marr-nhs-rail-fares-brexit-trump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Now Farage wants a second referendum. He thinks the outcome will be the same. I'm not so sure https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/11/nigel-farage-backs-fresh-brexit-referendum-to-kill-off-issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) Looks like @AtariLegend's vendetta against the Daily Mail (which I've always agreed with anyway) has a basis not only in perception, but in statistics. Source: https://tabloidcorrections.wordpress.com/2018/01/02/statistics-show-that-daily-mail-was-by-far-the-most-unreliable-uk-paper-in-2017/ The Daily Mail transgressed the press regulator rules no fewer than 50 times in 2017, making it by far the biggest offender of the year out of the publications monitored by IPSO. This was more than the combined total of the next three worst offenders (Daily Express, The Sun and the Daily Telegraph) and far in excess of its 2016 total, when the paper also topped the charts. The 2017 figures show an overall rise in IPSO sanctions compared to 2016, which could be due to worsening press standards or greater vigilance among those monitoring and reporting transgressions to IPSO. In terms of overall figures, the Daily Mail chalked up 50 offences. The Daily Express was second worst with 19, then The Sun with 17, the Daily Telegraph with 10, The Times with 8, the Daily Star with 6 and the Daily Mirror with 5. Figure 1 (above): Total number of IPSO rulings 2017 These include breaches of various clauses of the Editors’ Code of Practice, including accuracy, privacy and harassment. Concerning accuracy alone, the Mail breached the code on 37 separate occasions. This is over twice the number of times it breached the code in 2016 (when it was sanctioned 17 times). The Express followed with 17 breaches, and The Sun with 16 (both up on their 2016 totals). Figure 2 (above): IPSO rulings for inaccuracy 2017 This means that the three worst offenders in terms of publishing inaccurate content were sanctioned a total of 70 times between them in 2017, an increase of more than 50 per cent on last year (when they were sanctioned 43 times between them). This is worrying news for the Daily Mail, the most popular daily paper in the UK in terms of online readership, but perhaps highlights why Wikipedia made the decision to classify it as an unreliable reference source in 2017. Regarding subject matter of articles pulled up for inaccurate content, it was a mixed bag for the Mail although slightly more common themes were Jeremy Corbyn/Labour Party and issues relating to immigration and refugees (3 each). There were clearer patterns where the Express was concerned, with nearly half of its inaccurate content (8 articles) relating to the EU/Brexit and a further four concerned with Islam/Muslims. The most common theme of The Sun‘s inaccurate content was Corbyn/Labour (3 articles). Perhaps what these figures show more than anything is that the current IPSO sanctions are ineffective. If they were working, you would expect the number of times these papers were pulled up for inaccurate content to decrease. The very fact that the Mail, the Express and The Sun are committing more offences than ever before does little to instil confidence in the current IPSO model as a regulatory force. IPSO was established in 2014 as an independent regulator of the press but has been criticised for not imposing sufficient penalties when guidelines are breached. Offenders generally get away with printing a small correction notice months after the original offending article was published. Surely it’s time to make papers pay for their indiscretions rather than handing out token ineffective punishments. Some have suggested forcing papers to publish corrections in bold print on the front page. Others have suggested imposing fines to hit publications where it hurts. Another idea could be to impose a ban on papers covering certain subjects for different periods of time if they can’t report truthfully and accurately on them. After all, if a paper has repeatedly demonstrated that it can’t handle a topic responsibly, why should it be allowed into a position where it can influence millions of people? IPSO does have the power to impose tougher sanctions such as increased prominence of corrections notices or even fines for serious or repeat offences. It can be contacted here. Edited January 11, 2018 by Graeme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Well some good news for a change. Trump cancelled his UK visit... At least for now https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/12/donald-trump-visit-to-london-called-off-amid-fears-of-mass-protests Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLegend Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 I'm wondering how many people actually know about the porn verification laws coming in a few months, I know most don't know anything about the investigatory powers act. I'm literally the only one that's ever mentioned it here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Well it looks like Trump has his own opinion about the NHS https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/05/trump-pro-nhs-marches-universal-healthcare-farage-fox-friends Both UK Government and opposition told him to fuck off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Trump is right though. The NHS went tits up ages ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 15 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: Trump is right though. The NHS went tits up ages ago. It's none of his fuckin business. He has to take care of his problems. Even Hunt showed a strong support for the NHS. And he told Trump to focus in the U.S. healthcare system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 Well Labour came up with a more clear position, customs union. Business seem to like it. Will voters like it? What kind of effect (if any) this plan would have on the current Brexit process? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/26/labour-wins-plaudits-from-uk-business-after-brexit-speech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 @DieselDaisy Fishermen revolt http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-43484031 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 I see Corbyn has provoked the ire of the Children of Abraham? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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