Dazey Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Just now, DieselDaisy said: They probably didn't want to leave because it was their home. So very arrogant. Not really. I'm not talking about the people affected at the time because they aren't the people voting now. Subsequent generations who grew up in the aftermath should get off their arses and do something else rather than moaning about the fact that they can't find work in an industry that died 50 years ago. Just now, Len Cnut said: Sorry, what? By school I clearly mean University. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 minute ago, DieselDaisy said: It isn't even a historic grudge when you live in a ghost town. You are still living with the repercussions. So move out then? I empathise with the older generations who are stuck there but the youngsters can get out. I've had to move several times in order to find work and not always by choice but life can be a bitch at times like that. You either suck it up and get on with it or sit and complain about how badly done to you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dazey said: Not really. I'm not talking about the people affected at the time because they aren't the people voting now. Subsequent generations who grew up in the aftermath should get off their arses and do something else rather than moaning about the fact that they can't find work in an industry that died 50 years ago. You are sort of expecting people would sort of willingly accept their ''ghost town status'' for their community - ''thanks EU for fucking my town up the arse. I'll now happily depart'' - leave their homes and family and pursue occupations which they may not desire (they may have wanted to follow their fathers' occupation as per tradition). That is an expectation I would not impose on anyone. 2 minutes ago, Dazey said: So move out then? I empathise with the older generations who are stuck there but the youngsters can get out. I've had to move several times in order to find work and not always by choice but life can be a bitch at times like that. You either suck it up and get on with it or sit and complain about how badly done to you are. I completely agree with this. But you still don't then willingly vote for the cunts who created this scenario for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 The Specials wrote a song about this: 16 minutes ago, Dazey said: Not really. I'm not talking about the people affected at the time because they aren't the people voting now. Subsequent generations who grew up in the aftermath should get off their arses and do something else rather than moaning about the fact that they can't find work in an industry that died 50 years ago. By school I clearly mean University. Dossing cunt trying to make out you was some boffin at secondary school Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 minute ago, DieselDaisy said: You are sort of expecting people would sort of willingly accept their ''ghost town status'' for their community - ''thanks EU for fucking my town up the arse. I'll now happily depart'' - leave their homes and family and pursue occupations which they may not desire (they may have wanted to follow their fathers' occupation as per tradition). Well that's life isn't it? If your old mans' job doesn't exist anymore then it's tough really. 2 minutes ago, Len Cnut said: Dossing cunt trying to make out you was some boffin at secondary school Makes my subsequent achievements all the more impressive then doesn't it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 10 minutes ago, Dazey said: Well that's life isn't it? If your old mans' job doesn't exist anymore then it's tough really. Makes my subsequent achievements all the more impressive then doesn't it? Certainly does, respek bruvva Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Just now, Dazey said: Well that's life isn't it? If your old mans' job doesn't exist anymore then it's tough really. Yes but you don't then vote freely for your executioner. I completely agree with what you say - life's tough, etc. - and support this sort of socio-economic and geographic mobility but you don't willingly dress yourself up as a EU flag condom and join a bunch of lefty hippies outside Westminster. You don't even have to moan about your ''lot in life''. All you have to do is vote leave. It is inherent. If somebody buggers you up the arse, you aren't very well going to vote for them. Besides, many people in my area are also hard-left and advocates of Bennism, that the EU is basically ''the Fourth Reich and impedes socialism and democracy''. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said: Yes but you don't then vote freely for your executioner. I completely agree with what you say - life's tough, etc. - and support this sort of socio-economic and geographic mobility but you don't willingly dress yourself up as a EU flag condom and join a bunch of lefty hippies outside Westminster. You don't even have to moan about your ''lot in life''. All you have to do is vote leave. It is inherent. If somebody buggers you up the arse, you aren't very well going to vote for them. Besides, many people in my area are also hard-left and advocates of Bennism, that the EU is basically ''the Fourth Reich and impedes socialism and democracy''. I certainly expect people to vote intelligently, and not piss away their children's opportunities because of some silly old grudge that you have inherited from your parents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 10 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: I certainly expect people to vote intelligently, and not piss away their children's opportunities because of some silly old grudge that you have inherited from your parents People rarely vote for the greater good though, do they? They vote for self interest or percieved self interest, its like rich fuckers who vote for lower taxation of the rich, they ain't thinkin' for the greater good, they're thinkin' for their pocket, people are effected more by the shit that is their immediate issue. Now fair dues a lot of the shit is shit that happened yonks ago if your town is still a ghost town its not like you're bearing someone elses grudge, the shit is in your immediate surroundings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Just now, Len Cnut said: People rarely vote for the greater good though, do they? Their childrens' future isn't "the greater good", though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 9 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: Their childrens' future isn't "the greater good", though? Its not immediate though is it? You're talking about a future that ain't happened yet that any number of other variables might effect. Meanwhile there's people living in ghastly northern shitholes still convalescing from having their industry amputated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Just now, Len Cnut said: Its not immediate though is it? You're talking about a future that ain't happened yet that any number of other variables might effect. Meanwhile there's people living in ghastly northern shitholes still convalescing from having their industry amputated. I get what you are saying. People who willingly live in such shitty, derelict places and haven't moved to greener pastures -- or just places that don't look Tschernobyl infested with drunk zombies -- can't be expected to vote for anything but their own immediate gratification of inherited grudges, not even a more prosperous future for their kids. People who are able to think a bit longer than the tip of their nose, have moved away ages ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 18 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: I get what you are saying. People who willingly live in such shitty, derelict places and haven't moved to greener pastures -- or just places that don't look Tschernobyl infested with drunk zombies -- can't be expected to vote for anything but their own immediate gratification of inherited grudges, not even a more prosperous future for their kids. People who are able to think a bit longer than the tip of their nose, have moved away ages ago. Your home is your home innit, some cunts gotta live there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Len Cnut said: Your home is your home innit, some cunts gotta live there. Reminds me of a Bill Bryson quote: "I come from Des Moines. Somebody had to." This one is good: When you come from Des Moines you either accept the fact without question and settle down with a girl called Bobbi and get a job in the Firestone factory and live there forever and ever or you spend your adolescence moaning at length about what a dump it is and how you can't wait to get out and then you settle down with a local girl named Bobbi and get a job in the Firestone factory and live there forever and ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: Reminds me of a Bill Bryson quote: "I come from Des Moines. Somebody had to." This one is good: When you come from Des Moines you either accept the fact without question and settle down with a girl called Bobbi and get a job in the Firestone factory and live there forever and ever or you spend your adolescence moaning at length about what a dump it is and how you can't wait to get out and then you settle down with a local girl named Bobbi and get a job in the Firestone factory and live there forever and ever. I actually agree with the principle behind what you and McLeod are saying I just don’t think the world works like that, a great many think like Dies’ and the sad truth is there is no remedy for it, those people will just slip through the cracks and get marginalised but they won’t go down without a fight, one way or another they’ll be heard...and they were with this Remain thing. This is part of the problem in this country, there’s a great chunk of the population that find themselves being marginalised and they can’t just be brushed under the carpet. It’s all there even in the responses to the referendum, the whole ‘well we shouldn’t allow thick people to vote’, there’s an inherent insult there directed at the majority of the British population. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 49 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: You don't even have to moan about your ''lot in life''. All you have to do is vote leave. It is inherent. If somebody buggers you up the arse, you aren't very well going to vote for them. Well you are if the alternative is to be gang buggered up the arse twice as hard. That's the point! You're voting for extra buggering to piss off the original bugger who has long since buggered off and died. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Len Cnut said: Your home is your home innit, some cunts gotta live there. I've moved seven times in the last ten years. Your old man would love me for the amount of fucking letting agents fees I've spunked up the wall! 21 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: Reminds me of a Bill Bryson quote: "I come from Des Moines. Somebody had to." This one is good: When you come from Des Moines you either accept the fact without question and settle down with a girl called Bobbi and get a job in the Firestone factory and live there forever and ever or you spend your adolescence moaning at length about what a dump it is and how you can't wait to get out and then you settle down with a local girl named Bobbi and get a job in the Firestone factory and live there forever and ever. I love the next line about the drunken neighbour who yells at people in the street and keeps crashing his car! Quote "The only person I ever knew in Des Moines who wasn’t serene was Mr Piper. Mr Piper was my parents’ neighbour — a leering cherry-faced idiot who was forever getting drunk and crashing his car into telephone poles. Everywhere you went you encountered telephone poles and road signs leaning dangerously in testimony to Mr Piper’s driving habits. He distributed them all over the west side of town, rather in the way dogs mark trees. Mr Piper was the nearest possible human equivalent to Fred Flintstone, but less charming. He was a Shriner and a Republican — a Nixon Republican — and he appeared to feel he had a mission in life to spread offence. His favourite pastime, apart from getting drunk and crashing his car, was to get drunk and insult the neighbours, particularly us because we were Democrats, though he was prepared to insult Republicans when we weren’t available. Eventually, I grew up and moved to England. This irritated Mr Piper almost beyond measure. It was worse than being a Democrat. Whenever I was in town, Mr Piper would come over and chide me. ‘I don’t know what you’re doing over there with all those Limeys,’ he would say provocatively. ‘They’re not clean people.’ ‘Mr Piper, you don’t know what you’re talking about,’ I would reply in my affected English accent. ‘You are a cretin.’ You could talk like that to Mr Piper because (1) he was a cretin and (2) he never listened to anything that was said to him." Thinking about it I think Mr Piper is probably a Brexiteer! Edited January 18, 2019 by Dazey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 42 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: I certainly expect people to vote intelligently, and not piss away their children's opportunities because of some silly old grudge that you have inherited from your parents Well that (''silly old grudge'') would be your description, not mine. I could never write off the destruction of an entire socio-economic community so flippantly, and I find the whole ''voting for your children's opportunities'' rather odd in that somebody who is ninety-five and a childless bachelor has just as much democratic right to decide how they're governed for the remaining days as somebody who is fifteen. The franchise was not aimed exclusively at young people or old people with children who vote with their child's view in mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 14 minutes ago, Len Cnut said: A great many think like Dies’ and the sad truth is there is no remedy for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 22 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: Reminds me of a Bill Bryson quote: "I come from Des Moines. Somebody had to." This one is good: When you come from Des Moines you either accept the fact without question and settle down with a girl called Bobbi and get a job in the Firestone factory and live there forever and ever or you spend your adolescence moaning at length about what a dump it is and how you can't wait to get out and then you settle down with a local girl named Bobbi and get a job in the Firestone factory and live there forever and ever. Well there is nothing wrong with that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 11 minutes ago, Dazey said: Well you are if the alternative is to be gang buggered up the arse twice as hard. That's the point! You're voting for extra buggering to piss off the original bugger who has long since buggered off and died. Well that is just your opinion. Post Brexit Britain will no longer be tied to an organisation as utterly repellent, undemocratic and corrupt as the EU - that would be my opinion. We have been through this with the religious thing; some people have one opinion, others have another, and neither are necessarily correct or incorrect. You'll struggle a lot in life if you do not grasp this concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, Dazey said: I thought he was on my side! Britain innit, Beatles and Churchill and Spitfires - no need for those beret wearing Euros (unless we have to liberate 'em)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 28 minutes ago, Dazey said: Thats not what I meant and you know it What I meant was there's no remedy for their predicament (Dies' don't even apply, he ain't no fuckin' fisherman or manual worker, he just happens to be speaking for them in this discussion) when industry collapses those people either find something else to do sharpish or they get fucked over and out. And the truth is a lot of people like, factory workers, fisherman or whatever, they don't fuckin' know nothing else, they don't have your ability to like...adjust to a different hustle and crack on. But you can't just write em off, you split society in two, there's only so much a particular demographic will swallow until they kick you back in the bollocks and thats kinda what this referendum showed us, the fuckin' people have spoken. This theory that as long as London prospers England prospers is functional on paper, as long as the moneys coming in but life ain't on paper, its out there in the fresh air, on the streets and in the fields and when people are discontent you'll know about it soon enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 28 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: I thought he was on my side! Britain innit, Beatles and Churchill and Spitfires - no need for those beret wearing Euros (unless we have to liberate 'em)? The Beatles were a look at the future fella, all long hair and multi-cultural, they are incongruent with Churchill and Spitfires and giving Johnny Euro the finger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) 28 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: Post Brexit Britain will no longer be tied to an organisation as utterly repellent, undemocratic and corrupt as the EU Could you be more specific? I mean why you think the EU is like the Italian mafia? Edited January 18, 2019 by Padme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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