batman007 Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 I've always had Axl 's back or made excuses in the past. I've traveled all North America about 13-15 times to see GNR. I think his voice is pretty bad right now. The concert at the Apollo was horrible . Listening to it right now on xm radio made me decide not to go see this time around . Here is looking toward a future album in a few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Ass Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 16 hours ago, Gordon Comstock said: Honestly I haven't been keeping up with every WTTJ performance. He usually botches the first couple lines and is pretty solid for the rest of it. That one from Ottawa was a let down, he didn't really get going til halfway thru it. Same here.. That was always one of my favorites from this lineup too.. I would watch it show after show and he would nail it every night.... :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Ass Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 9 hours ago, batman007 said: I've always had Axl 's back or made excuses in the past. I've traveled all North America about 13-15 times to see GNR. I think his voice is pretty bad right now. The concert at the Apollo was horrible . Listening to it right now on xm radio made me decide not to go see this time around . Here is looking toward a future album in a few years. Out of the things I have been disappointed with this tour, Axl wasn't one of them. Sure he struggled at times but he was great at others and giving it 100%.. It made up for the weak parts of the line up... If he keeps going downhill it will start to become not as worth it.. That is where a more legitimate lineup could have picked up the slack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnrcane Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 9 hours ago, batman007 said: I've always had Axl 's back or made excuses in the past. I've traveled all North America about 13-15 times to see GNR. I think his voice is pretty bad right now. The concert at the Apollo was horrible . Listening to it right now on xm radio made me decide not to go see this time around . Here is looking toward a future album in a few years. It was a mistake not to go IMO. His voice "sounds" much better in person blasted over the PA at high volume. It isn't actually better but it sounds better to human ears when you are there. The Miami show in person sounded great. Listening to the high quality audio recording in the download section Axl pretty much sounded like the SiriusXM broadcast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 I was at the Ottawa show and I cringed at the opening lines of Jungle. That was some of the worst vocals I've ever heard from Axl in all of the times I've seen him over the years. I feared for the remainder of the show based on that. Luckily, he was no worse for the rest of the show than any of the other 2017 shows. He was on par with the better of the 2017 performances, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 gotta take Nightrain off his songs he nails...that opening verse is abysmal. Then after 1:26 he sucks. Sad day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedrolg Posted August 25, 2017 Author Share Posted August 25, 2017 Axl needs to seriously get his shit together. He is either out of his mind by allowing his performances to dip to this level, or, in case he is unable to do better, in dire need of a break as touring is taking a massive toll on his pipes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman007 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 I have appreciation for this thread . Nobody is trying to bash Axl, just being honest . No, you have to be there to experience it , bla, bla, etc. Guns will always be my favorite band . And would love to hear new music. But nobody can stay on top of their game forever . Either Axl needs a break , or something , but this is one of the worst I've heard him . Key word , people ... one of . I remember walking out of last year's Dallas show, and a friend while had never seen Guns told me , was that the best you have seen them , or what ? I told him not even close to 2006. He didn't want to believe me because of the lineup. If I ever see guns again, and Axl would have to clean up his voice my a mile , he can never beat 2006. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 16 minutes ago, batman007 said: I have appreciation for this thread . Nobody is trying to bash Axl, just being honest . No, you have to be there to experience it , bla, bla, etc. Guns will always be my favorite band . And would love to hear new music. But nobody can stay on top of their game forever . Either Axl needs a break , or something , but this is one of the worst I've heard him . Key word , people ... one of . I remember walking out of last year's Dallas show, and a friend while had never seen Guns told me , was that the best you have seen them , or what ? I told him not even close to 2006. He didn't want to believe me because of the lineup. If I ever see guns again, and Axl would have to clean up his voice my a mile , he can never beat 2006. 2006-2010 was amazing. I'd rank the shows I saw in 2016 just after the one I saw in 2010. I fear that in a week I'll be comparing the 2017 shows to the ones I saw in 2012.... and at least the shows in 2012 had Izzy ffs! Agreed about nobody here trying to bash Axl, we're all fans of his, some people here can't handle their idol being criticized though. The truth is he now sounds just as bad as he did in the 2012-2013 era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedrolg Posted August 25, 2017 Author Share Posted August 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said: 2006-2010 was amazing. I'd rank the shows I saw in 2016 just after the one I saw in 2010. I fear that in a week I'll be comparing the 2017 shows to the ones I saw in 2012.... and at least the shows in 2012 had Izzy ffs! Agreed about nobody here trying to bash Axl, we're all fans of his, some people here can't handle their idol being criticized though. The truth is he now sounds just as bad as he did in the 2012-2013 era. I'll go on and say he sounds worse than 2012. Maybe on par with the start of the 2014 tour, which is really, the worse he ever sounded. He sounds worse than 2002 too, he had more power back then, even if he sang with zero rasp. I'm fine with Axl deteriorating with age, it's perfectly normal, but there are singers Axl's age who sound good still. Also, the sudden massive drops in performances (2010-2011 and 2016-2017) are really weird and unusual. At this time last year I never, ever thought I would hear Axl go full mickey and out of key on WTTJ or Nightrain. We were discussing just how much more than we thought he had left in the tank with AC/DC and his very respectable GNR performances. I feel bad for him, at this point I doubt he does it on purpose. Also, he seems to have evolved into a decent and generous guy, who has been kind and patient with his fans. There's gotta be a way around this, from medical treatment to vocal to training to changing style to dropping a few songs, but he honestly, truly sounds worse than more than one amateur bar singer I heard in my life right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 26 minutes ago, Pedrolg said: I'll go on and say he sounds worse than 2012. Maybe on par with the start of the 2014 tour, which is really, the worse he ever sounded. He sounds worse than 2002 too, he had more power back then, even if he sang with zero rasp. I'm fine with Axl deteriorating with age, it's perfectly normal, but there are singers Axl's age who sound good still. Also, the sudden massive drops in performances (2010-2011 and 2016-2017) are really weird and unusual. At this time last year I never, ever thought I would hear Axl go full mickey and out of key on WTTJ or Nightrain. We were discussing just how much more than we thought he had left in the tank with AC/DC and his very respectable GNR performances. I feel bad for him, at this point I doubt he does it on purpose. Also, he seems to have evolved into a decent and generous guy, who has been kind and patient with his fans. There's gotta be a way around this, from medical treatment to vocal to training to changing style to dropping a few songs, but he honestly, truly sounds worse than more than one amateur bar singer I heard in my life right now. Yea, 2013-early 2014 was probably his worst and he's around that level again. I disagree with your last point though, it seems to me like he's on 100% cruise control, he's coasting through these shows and I'm sure he's "conserving" his voice for AC/DC. If he hadn't taken on that gig, I'm fairly certain we wouldn't be talking about this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedrolg Posted August 25, 2017 Author Share Posted August 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Gordon Comstock said: Yea, 2013-early 2014 was probably his worst and he's around that level again. I disagree with your last point though, it seems to me like he's on 100% cruise control, he's coasting through these shows and I'm sure he's "conserving" his voice for AC/DC. If he hadn't taken on that gig, I'm fairly certain we wouldn't be talking about this... I hope you are right, but coasting imo would be doing just enough, he dropped below that standard. He sounds ok for about 3-4 songs a night now. If he comes out sounding like a god with AC/DC again than he is signaling GNR is over as band. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Pedrolg said: I hope you are right, but coasting imo would be doing just enough, he dropped below that standard. He sounds ok for about 3-4 songs a night now. If he comes out sounding like a god with AC/DC again than he is signaling GNR is over as band. Agree about the last part. I'm sure his voice is worn down from touring, but I think it's a combination of being worn down and trying to conserve what he's got left for AC/DC, which results in a pretty rough show.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman5150 Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 On 8/23/2017 at 2:43 PM, IncitingChaos said: Jungle is screwed up and DTJ shouldn't count he has 4 lines... jungle has been terrible 2016 was better hell most Jungle performances were better between 2011-2014 vocally Watching those videos it's clear that something is going on. I hope it's just that he's trying to conserve his voice since there is still a lot of shows left. There is definitely a hell of a difference in 1 year. I'm hoping it's not that his voice is blown for good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNRfanMILO Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 3 hours ago, Pedrolg said: I hope you are right, but coasting imo would be doing just enough, he dropped below that standard. He sounds ok for about 3-4 songs a night now. If he comes out sounding like a god with AC/DC again than he is signaling GNR is over as band. He sang Highway To Hell a few weeks ago with Billy Joel, sounding even better than last year. Isnt that enough proof that his voice is not shot, and that he just doesnt hare about GNR and its fanbase? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris 55 Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 On 8/23/2017 at 0:00 PM, Pedrolg said: Worse than 2016, for sure. A bit better than when this leg started. On a sidenote, what a lame crowd, jesus. Seriously. I was hoping to see one stupid pointer finger lazily wagging back and forth to the sound of "woo! yeah!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludurigan Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 WHY SINGERS KEEP LOSING THEIR VOICE didnt listen to it so i am not sure if there is any axl mention here = https://www.theguardian.com/news/audio/2017/aug/25/why-do-stars-like-adele-keep-losing-their-voice-podcast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFGnR Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 3 hours ago, ludurigan said: WHY SINGERS KEEP LOSING THEIR VOICE didnt listen to it so i am not sure if there is any axl mention here = https://www.theguardian.com/news/audio/2017/aug/25/why-do-stars-like-adele-keep-losing-their-voice-podcast Adele had been here before. Six years earlier, she had suffered a haemorrhage to her vocal cords Adele’s surgeon, Dr Steven Zeitels, was after a nasty polyp that had formed under her epithelium Every vocal performance involves hundreds of thousands of micro-collisions in the throat Voice specialists liken the physical toll on singers and stage performers to what athletes endure. Surgery to the professional singer’s vocal cords is what ligament reconstruction has become to the football player’s knee Back then, Crutchfield saw that singers peaked in their 30s and then began to decline. Specially trained vocal therapists have also restored performers to health through voice training, but medical experts advise taking this route only for minor vocal injuries, such as small nodules. Otherwise, they strongly suggest surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 In dedication to the horrible flooding in Houston, let's revisit what Axl is capable of 3:23-3:27 that's a great note! And 7:23 on is incredible! i miss these great performances of RQ then a good performances of YCBM, easily the best one in a while. Not perfect but plenty good in my book Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 ^Don't forget Better. It's amazing how much better it sounds when Axl adds some grit to his voice in the first and last verses: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onurbayrak03 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Axl sucks now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 15 minutes ago, onurbayrak03 said: Axl sucks now. He could do better. I think that's what hurts most haha my thing is, don't schedule a 200 date tour unless you can perform at a high level to justify tour pricing. I understand vocal damage and things happening but he's clearly not giving much to some of these songs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedrolg Posted August 29, 2017 Author Share Posted August 29, 2017 14 hours ago, IncitingChaos said: He could do better. I think that's what hurts most haha my thing is, don't schedule a 200 date tour unless you can perform at a high level to justify tour pricing. I understand vocal damage and things happening but he's clearly not giving much to some of these songs Nobody cares but us. He has absolutely zero incentive to try harder, it means pushing himself, maybe risking his voice, enduring some measure of pain, to achieve the exact same results. I always thought that Axl would get slammed by the press if he came out on a spotlight like the reunion and performed like 2011-2014. He came out strong, conquered the world with AC/DC, and now slipped back into it. Tbh, it baffles me that not a single review so far that I've read has pointed out Axl's shortcomings, how bad, or at the very least how different his vocals sound from his old voice, the one that is on the records and made him famous. In fact, it's quite the opposite, some people go on about his "trademark falsetto" being on point. I gave up going to RIR or Sao Paulo because of how Axl's sounds right now. I'm a bit worried that he is approaching the end here, but I do still believe he will eventually do better than this. Nothing would make me happier as a GNR fan than seeing his voice make a comeback, but it's been 7 years and it gets less likely with each day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSoftie Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Just to return to the hormone talk, wasn't there rumours that Axl was on testosterone back in 06? He was in ridiculously good shape at the time. I think he went off them after that year after fainting in London, high blood pressure etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Ass Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 I don't think Axl usually sounds that good on this song but this just came on in the background while my laptop was playing youtube vids.. I think he sounds pretty damn good here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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