janrichmond Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 1 hour ago, IncitingChaos said: he had something extra those nights Fat? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 14 minutes ago, Pedrolg said: What is always odd for me is that using the rasp doesn't seem hard at all for him in those videos. It looks casual and effortless. It better have! He saved that voice for 4 years at that point haha 9 minutes ago, janrichmond said: Fat? Cmon now! This is a vocal thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janrichmond Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 1 minute ago, IncitingChaos said: Cmon now! This is a vocal thread yeah sorry about that, it just slipped out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedrolg Posted October 7, 2017 Author Share Posted October 7, 2017 2 hours ago, IncitingChaos said: It better have! He saved that voice for 4 years at that point haha Well, it appears he used all of it in 2016. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 18 minutes ago, Pedrolg said: Well, it appears he used all of it in 2016. It took us 26 pages but we solved the issue! Axl has to reenergize the rasp! He used it all in 06 but had to wait till 10 to unleash the saved rasp then he reenergized in 11-14 in Used it all up with AC/DC. Now we have to wait till 2020 Illusions tour to hear that voice again! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 7 minutes ago, IncitingChaos said: It took us 26 pages but we solved the issue! Axl has to reenergize the rasp! He used it all in 06 but had to wait till 10 to unleash the saved rasp then he reenergized in 11-14 in Used it all up with AC/DC. Now we have to wait till 2020 Illusions tour to hear that voice again! Unless Axl/DC tours next year. Then GNR gets the mickey voice forever. I'm so glad I got to see them on the NA '16 leg. It wasn't even a top tier show for that leg but it was so much better than what he's been doing since. Late 2016-2017 has been his re-energizing period for the AC/DC tour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingstar Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 I keep my hope up as history has shown its possible. He sounded terrible during 2001-2002. During 2010 I would say it was the best vocal era he ever had. The Bucharest show in particular, is probably one of the best shows he ever pulled off vocally. Maby ever.Better Bucharest 2010 Even scom sounds.. good! Sweet child And YCBM sounds awesome with A LOT of rasp from start throughout the whole song. Ycbm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFGnR Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) PC is almost on 2002 levels, from Philly. Edited October 9, 2017 by AFGnR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedrolg Posted October 9, 2017 Author Share Posted October 9, 2017 Whatever the reason for the issues with his voice, Axl is aware of them. It's the first time I see him perform this song and not even try to somewhat reach for the high raspy notes in the "I'd do anything for you part". A bit sad, really. I hope it's not permanent, as that voice imo is where the AC/DC voice also came from, and it was one of the last bits of "wow" left in Axl's vocal performances. This voice being gone would explain performances of My Michelle being worse and worse and OTGM being rarely played anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I feel compelled to come here to vent so I don't piss off people in the show thread. Am I the only one who thinks Axl sounded completely horrendous for TWAT and Mads? Like, not just his usual bad, I mean, really, really bad? I can't quite believe no one else can hear it? Am I just crazy or something? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jw224 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 He seems to have very little control over his voice. He really needs to work on using it best he can. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caedo Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I thought he sounded great on Madagascar tbh, TWAT was average but I didn't think it was all that bad... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedrolg Posted October 9, 2017 Author Share Posted October 9, 2017 18 minutes ago, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said: I feel compelled to come here to vent so I don't piss off people in the show thread. Am I the only one who thinks Axl sounded completely horrendous for TWAT and Mads? Like, not just his usual bad, I mean, really, really bad? I can't quite believe no one else can hear it? Am I just crazy or something? I think Madagascar was pretty decent, tbh. Axl used rasp on the beggining and the lower parts, and mickeyed the higher ones, which is something I expected. I agree that TWAT was extremely lackluster, and him just not going for the best verse of the songs and phoning it in full mickey really sucks the soul out of the song. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gem Archer Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 19 minutes ago, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said: I feel compelled to come here to vent so I don't piss off people in the show thread. Am I the only one who thinks Axl sounded completely horrendous for TWAT and Mads? Like, not just his usual bad, I mean, really, really bad? I can't quite believe no one else can hear it? Am I just crazy or something? i agree, maddy is not that bad considering that it was the tour premiere, but in TWAT he sounds out of breath, and he can't reach the higher notes at the end, or at least he doesnt even try anymore... 2 hours ago, Pedrolg said: Whatever the reason for the issues with his voice, Axl is aware of them. It's the first time I see him perform this song and not even try to somewhat reach for the high raspy notes in the "I'd do anything for you part". A bit sad, really. I hope it's not permanent, as that voice imo is where the AC/DC voice also came from, and it was one of the last bits of "wow" left in Axl's vocal performances. This voice being gone would explain performances of My Michelle being worse and worse and OTGM being rarely played anymore. he now uses more the lower voice in the verses compared to previous versions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jw224 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I have to say I didn't mind Madagascar. Maybe it's because he actually uses the high voice in parts of that song "if we ever find it's true". It sounded pretty decent. Still not a fan of mickey during the verses though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 48 minutes ago, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said: I feel compelled to come here to vent so I don't piss off people in the show thread. Am I the only one who thinks Axl sounded completely horrendous for TWAT and Mads? Like, not just his usual bad, I mean, really, really bad? I can't quite believe no one else can hear it? Am I just crazy or something? He's not very good right now. Not even strong Mickey in there. Not sure what's going on, but it's been quite bad for a while now. Hes not showing up for any soundchecks, so Twat and Maddy will struggle along with Axl. His voice has been shot to pieces this year. I hope he has an answer for this or his career will be over. Maybe he's just trolling us haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedrolg Posted October 9, 2017 Author Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) 49 minutes ago, IncitingChaos said: He's not very good right now. Not even strong Mickey in there. Not sure what's going on, but it's been quite bad for a while now. Hes not showing up for any soundchecks, so Twat and Maddy will struggle along with Axl. His voice has been shot to pieces this year. I hope he has an answer for this or his career will be over. Maybe he's just trolling us haha I'm gonna go ahead and say that, freak incidents such as RIR 2011 (2017 was not much better) and Bridge School, we are currently seeing Axl in the worst vocal shape of his career. In hindsight, so many performances from 2011-2014 were better than the 2017 ones. It has nothing to do with Axl's physical and psychological condition, as he seems happy, into it and in great shape for his age. It is strictly a vocal issue. I'm more and more inclined to think that AC/DC did him in. Things started to go downhill from the second leg with Angus, with the voice cracks starting to appear. The fact that the high raspy shriek he used with AC/DC is clearly shot and gone these days lends credence to this theory. It might be temporary and it might heal with rest, or it might be permanent. In the end, every single specialist who commented on Axl always said that the rasp was unsustainable on the long term, and this right here was probably the reason Axl chose to drop the rasp after 2010, using it just enough here and there to show us he could do it still. Doing it frequently though as he did in 2016 might have wrecked him for good. I wonder how Axl feels about that and the future of his career. Maybe he is just tired and fed up, has no intention of ever releasing anything again and is doing all this as a farewell, burning out what's left of his voice while being fully aware of it. I don't know, his performance and setlist choices point to him knowing very well the state of his voice and limitations, and tbh he doesn't really seem sad or worried. Edited October 9, 2017 by Pedrolg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I really want to hear Shacklers again. It's a high energy song that would replace This I Love great. sadly I'm sure we will get something closer to the 2012 version Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Rose Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 3 hours ago, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said: I feel compelled to come here to vent so I don't piss off people in the show thread. Am I the only one who thinks Axl sounded completely horrendous for TWAT and Mads? Like, not just his usual bad, I mean, really, really bad? I can't quite believe no one else can hear it? Am I just crazy or something? I'm repeating this from the show thread but needs to be said: If you think the high parts of Twat last night were bad and indicative of some great decline then please listen to the worst ever Madagascar from Madrid ELEVEN years ago. I've set it to the high parts after the solo. It makes last night sound like fucking Pavarotti. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedrolg Posted October 9, 2017 Author Share Posted October 9, 2017 7 minutes ago, Jordan Rose said: I'm repeating this from the show thread but needs to be said: If you think the high parts of Twat last night were bad and indicative of some great decline then please listen to the worst ever Madagascar from Madrid ELEVEN years ago. I've set it to the high parts after the solo. It makes last night sound like fucking Pavarotti. That is much better than the other night imo. Axl not only goes for the high note, but reaches it with power, and then follows up with a raspy verse. 100x better than last night. Axl was reaching those notes in 2014 and 2014, so it's not like I'm complaining he doesn't sound like he did in his prime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanboy Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Im sorry @IncitingChaos I didn't answer to your post, but yeah Better, Sorry, TIL are really weak right now, if Axl is as perfectionnist as people says, he must be really pissed off about himself, about his voice. I kinda liked Madagascar, not the best performance for sure but not horrible to me. Slash/Duff should tell him to use his speaking voice more often like he did with TWAT, the dude has a great voice, speaking voice and it fits well on TWAT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Fanboy said: Im sorry @IncitingChaos I didn't answer to your post, but yeah Better, Sorry, TIL are really weak right now, if Axl is as perfectionnist as people says, he must be really pissed off about himself, about his voice. I kinda liked Madagascar, not the best performance for sure but not horrible to me. Slash/Duff should tell him to use his speaking voice more often like he did with TWAT, the dude has a great voice, speaking voice and it fits well on TWAT If we could ask Axl about his voice his exact answer would be. "It's bad to you..and you may be right but that's your opinion and I don't give a shit. There are other things we should be concerned with going on in our world than my voice. But since you don't like it go find someone else to listen to...asshole." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanboy Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 1 hour ago, IncitingChaos said: If we could ask Axl about his voice his exact answer would be. "It's bad to you..and you may be right but that's your opinion and I don't give a shit. There are other things we should be concerned with going on in our world than my voice. But since you don't like it go find someone else to listen to...asshole." I don't know... you may be right, he is cleary murdering few of his own songs but thats my opinion. Take a look to this youtube channel, the guy has almost all songs from the last show, missing a couple, but when I listen to Yesterday or My Michelle, he can't be satisfied with that, well once again Im not in his head. Like it was already said, being at the show it's not the same for sure but still, and you can't make live bluray with this. We are probably just some walking dollars for him. Im really curious about the future, once the tour is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towelie Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 (edited) Seriously, why doesn't he do this? There are only four non-negotiable staples at a GNR gig, Jungle, SCOM, Nov Rain and Paradise City. I think these songs have to be performed at every GNR gig in order for the casual music fan not to feel shafted. I would also keep in Nightrain and Civil War, as I feel these are songs that Axl still performs relatively well, even on an off-night. But a huge amount of the songs they currently perform on a nightly basis are ones that they could easily replace with other tracks without alienating the average GNR concert-goer. Why on earth does he insist on puffing and wheezing his way through Coma, YCBM, Estranged, This I Love, TWAT, Better, when he could just replace these songs with ones that are far easier to sing. It would improve his overall performance tenfold and stop so many people criticising his lacklustre vocal performance. Is Axl really that deluded that he actually believes that he's still delivering good performances of these songs? Or is he just too tired/unmotivated to care? The setlist really needs to be tailored around Axl's changing vocals, because as it stands, he's going from one disasterous performance to another. A setlist like this would be so much better and manageable for Axl, and it would also serve the purpose of shaking up the setlist and keeping things fresh for fans who attend multiple shows: It's So Easy Mr Brownstone Chinese Democracy Welcome To The Jungle Double Talkin Jive Bad Obsession Move To The City Locomotive Acoustic set: Patience / You Ain't The First / You're Crazy Pretty Tied Up The Godfather Sweet Child O Mine Civil War Nightrain November Rain Don't Cry The Seeker Paradise City Edited October 11, 2017 by Towelie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sosso Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 (edited) They can play what they want and some people will still complain. That's why Edited October 11, 2017 by Sosso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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