IncitingChaos Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 1 hour ago, tremolo said: Define “better”. you didn’t like the vocals, that’s alright, to each their own. But that doesn’t mean his “vocals were not well received”. That’s something you made up in your head to convince yourself you are right (in a matter that has no right or wrong, just different preferences for one style over another). Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe Axl himself said his vocals weren’t well received when he changed them. That’s from the China Exchange interview and I said in my first comment back at you it’s all preference and opinion based so these arguments go nowhere, however if you think CD was a success then I believe you’re wrong 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 (edited) 31 minutes ago, tremolo said: I don’t know about Axl’s opinion on his own voice, I haven’t seen that interview. But you went from “his vocals were not well received” to “Axl said...” Well, by whom? Fans? Critics? People in the industry? Why do you say I think CD was a success? You just pulled that out of your ass. I couldn’t care less about how “successful” is any artist or their work. I don’t follow rankings, award shows or stupid “inductions”. I do like CD, and while I don’t believe it was worth the long wait, it is a very underrated album. Was it a financial success? Did it do well against “music critics” and bloggers? I don’t know, I don’t care. You edited your post to remove the fact that you alluded to the album being a success. But if you didn’t say that then I apologize for thinking that you thought CD was successful And besides go to one of my previous post on this page and I mention Axl saying that so if you wonder where I got “His vocals weren’t well received” it comes from Axl himself. What you are doing is trying to create an alternate reality to where CD is better than it is. The instrumentals are phenomenal and some of the best I’ve heard but Axl ruined it with vocals Edited March 28, 2018 by IncitingChaos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 11 minutes ago, tremolo said: What? I edited what? You’re making up shit. This is ridiculous. I’m not saying CD is better than anything. You are creating that stupid dichotomy in your head, because it comes down to taste, and you can’t measure that. There is no “better” or “worse” to compare, that only exists in your head, under your own parameters, but that matters to nobody other than yourself. Your head seems to be too deep inside your own ass. Come out, take a deep breath of cleanish fresh air. It smells like shit in there anyway. Ok, in my head Axl’s vocals suck on CD. They are not “better” than his previous vocals on record and are much “worse” than what he could have done. But that’s in my head. Just like the rest of my post that say “I think” “I believe” “in my opinion” but you wanted to argue about what I felt. And I even cited sources that conclude CD was not well received, but you want to argue with what’s in your heart. And in your heart Axl sounds phenomenal on CD and the album doesn’t get any respect despite you not caring about respect or reviews. So what you’re arguing is opinions don’t matter Bc opinions are in your head and therefore we will never know truly how good CD is Bc everyone has their head up their ass. I’m glad we’ve been able to have a constructive argument over CD’s vocals... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 2 hours ago, tremolo said: No. This whole post is just a fabrication that only makes sense inside your head. Once you put it out for the rest of the world to see/read it’s absolutely ridiculous, because you make statements based on shit that you make up, just so you can convince yourself your opinion is the right one. I called you out on your bullshit a few times when you tried to put words and statements in my mouth, and you keep on doing it. I only said YOUR head is up your own ass, nobody else’s, and not because you have a different opinion, but because you keep on making ridiculous statements that are based on nothing but your own perceptions and try to present them as facts. So you’re either doing it maliciously, which makes you a douchebag, or you don’t realize you’re doing it, which means your reading comprehension is that of a 3rd grade kid, and youdon’t know how to argue. I’d rather think it’s the later. I’m all up for discussing Axl’s vocals on CD from a more objective point of view. I mean talking about timbre, tone, pitch, arrangement, counterpoint, harmony, etc. Whether we like the end results or not is a whole different story. Ok you start. Give me some examples of great vocal moments on CD and I’ll go listen to those parts. I’ll agree or disagree. I might post some moments I dislike. You tell me why they are actually good or maybe you don’t like that part either. But I think it’s a good way to start a conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sl4yer Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 55 minutes ago, IncitingChaos said: Ok you start. Give me some examples of great vocal moments on CD and I’ll go listen to those parts. I’ll agree or disagree. I might post some moments I dislike. You tell me why they are actually good or maybe you don’t like that part either. But I think it’s a good way to start a conversation. Maybe I'll start. Chorus in Chinese Democracy. I love it especially 'Even with an iron fist' moment. It's so powerfull Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonizedmind Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 (edited) I've recently returned to the 2016 era and my god, possibly the best times since 1993 for Axl.... To front not just one, but two of the biggest (if not THEE) tours of the year was simply incredible! Perhaps, Axl is the type that needed a jolt, a different animal, a different tune, to get him out of "tried, tested and safe" Now, there's far better performances from that tour, but his vocals pierce thro here, as on many recordings, they're a bit back in the mix.... Listen to that rasp... I know we discuss voice to death but I would like to take it to a level we don't normal bother with... the process, the method...What in your opinion did Axl do to get back in shape (vocally) ? Was it flipping a switch, was it the opportunity/ challenge to act out a dream, impress a hero (Angus) ? Was it extensive work, training and struggle with his old long time vocal coach? Or anything else...? I still hold fond memories of going on here and tuning in for just about every periscope and people constantly being blown away, 95% positive comments and enthusiasm, was a pleasant change.... When they tour again with hopefully a new LP, will he sound as good? Edited March 29, 2018 by colonizedmind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, sl4yer said: Maybe I'll start. Chorus in Chinese Democracy. I love it especially 'Even with an iron fist' moment. It's so powerfull For sure! I like CD the track. His vocals here are different but they have an aggressive tone that I love. My issue is with songs like IRS where I like his vocal style but the execution is off. The way he rounds out lines has some of that voice fatigue weakness to it. And on an album that you’re spending that much money on and that much time the finish product shouldn’t have demo vocals. He could have re-recorded those in 06 and it sound great! And more finished plus I hated the whining intros on songs like IRS Edited March 29, 2018 by IncitingChaos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 IRS would have been great with these vocals. Much more emotion and again falls in line with the aggressive tone of the opening song in the album. I want to hear pissed off Axl, it’s his first album in 15 years, don’t sound weak and defeated. Come out with some energy. Love how he sings the line at 1:17. “Wouldn’t even matter the things that I say” we all look and want different things in our music so I’m not hating on Axl, he’s the artist I’m just playing critic so it’s all for fun for me. Obviously I’m here so I appreciate his work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alejandro GNR Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 14 minutes ago, IncitingChaos said: IRS would have been great with these vocals. Much more emotion and again falls in line with the aggressive tone of the opening song in the album. I want to hear pissed off Axl, it’s his first album in 15 years, don’t sound weak and defeated. Come out with some energy. Love how he sings the line at 1:17. “Wouldn’t even matter the things that I say” we all look and want different things in our music so I’m not hating on Axl, he’s the artist I’m just playing critic so it’s all for fun for me. Obviously I’m here so I appreciate his work! GREAT example...thats what Im saying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNR 1991 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 On 3/28/2018 at 1:15 PM, IncitingChaos said: Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe Axl himself said his vocals weren’t well received when he changed them. That’s from the China Exchange interview and I said in my first comment back at you it’s all preference and opinion based so these arguments go nowhere, however if you think CD was a success then I believe you’re wrong He was referring to his clean voice (seen mostly on 01/02 tours). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 24 minutes ago, GNR 1991 said: He was referring to his clean voice (seen mostly on 01/02 tours). Which in turn was what we got on the album. I’d say he was referring more to the album and how he wanted to “clear” his voice up but fans didn’t respond to it as he put it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgina Arriaga Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 14 minutes ago, IncitingChaos said: Which in turn was what we got on the album. I’d say he was referring more to the album and how he wanted to “clear” his voice up but fans didn’t respond to it as he put it. I agree with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 2 hours ago, colonizedmind said: I've recently returned to the 2016 era and my god, possibly the best times since 1993 for Axl.... To front not just one, but two of the biggest (if not THEE) tours of the year was simply incredible! Perhaps, Axl is the type that needed a jolt, a different animal, a different tune, to get him out of "tried, tested and safe" Now, there's far better performances from that tour, but his vocals pierce thro here, as on many recordings, they're a bit back in the mix.... Listen to that rasp... I know we discuss voice to death but I would like to take it to a level we don't normal bother with... the process, the method...What in your opinion did Axl do to get back in shape (vocally) ? Was it flipping a switch, was it the opportunity/ challenge to act out a dream, impress a hero (Angus) ? Was it extensive work, training and struggle with his old long time vocal coach? Or anything else...? I still hold fond memories of going on here and tuning in for just about every periscope and people constantly being blown away, 95% positive comments and enthusiasm, was a pleasant change.... When they tour again with hopefully a new LP, will he sound as good? Vocal coach was huge. Axl knew how he wanted to sound for ACDC got with a trusted coach who could get him there without damaging his voice and worked his ass off for the opportunity. No secret to success, he had to work for it and I think that’s why gnr fans feel a bit jaded when it comes to Axl’s approach with his own band. But Axl is no dummy he knows how fans feel about his mickey voice and he avoided it nicely with ACDC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sl4yer Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 (edited) Guess I'm in minority but for me This I Love from 2010 is not better than studio version. I like it but with that amount of rasp it sounds less melodic to me.. I prefer 2016 version Edited March 30, 2018 by sl4yer Bad 'with' spell 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axeli Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 On 15.3.2018 at 3:13 PM, IncitingChaos said: this was a cover that I would love to hear him try in his own way. I get he’s singing like Neil Young here but when your Axl Rose people want to hear how Axl would sing it. Which IMO could have been one of his better covers if he just liked his low voice. Damn there have been so many covers over the years. Nearly forgot this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trqster Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 The most amazing thing about Axl's pipes is the range itself - I mean how many 50ish singers do you know out there that can still hit the higher notes they used to in their heyday? And truth be said it's just a matter of time before Axl looses that ability or otherwise he wouldn't be human. So people just enjoy while it lasts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGeneral Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Just now, trqster said: The most amazing thing about Axl's pipes is the range itself - I mean how many 50ish singers do you know out there that can still hit the higher notes they used to in their heyday? And truth be said it's just a matter of time before Axl looses that ability or otherwise he wouldn't be human. So people just enjoy while it lasts. Michael Jackson's vocal coach or something, who was working with him shortly before he passed away, said that as Michael got older, his vocal range got even wider. So if he would be alive now, he would have been able to hit even higher notes than when he was 49/50. I don't know, maybe it's the same with Axl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson87 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 1 hour ago, TheGeneral said: Michael Jackson's vocal coach or something, who was working with him shortly before he passed away, said that as Michael got older, his vocal range got even wider. So if he would be alive now, he would have been able to hit even higher notes than when he was 49/50. I don't know, maybe it's the same with Axl. Something tells me it would be different for Axl. I'm not knocking the guy, it's just that his style of singing is very different from Michael's style. Even though Axl is singing in that style the correct way, it'll wear down your voice/range if you do it for 30+ years. There's a reason he doesn't do the vocal fry scream on WTTJ anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhazUp Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 On 3/28/2018 at 1:32 AM, RazorGunner said: 02 VMA's wasn't GNR's strongest show, but they still stole the show. They definitely did steal the show, but honestly not in a good way The opening scream of Jungle is fucking awesome but what happens afterwords is the most WTF thing, like I remember watching that clip when I got back home from the 2016 shows I saw and I just thought it seemed like an alternate reality that was just a bad cornrow-laden dream that we thankfully are not in anymore lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alejandro GNR Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 But whay about Touch Too Much for example....he mickeys it... I still believe it depends on the song. WE COULD GET SOME INFO IN THE MULTIPLE POSTCADS FROM GNR CENTRAL, but for some reason they wont ask anything about Axl vocal changes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 11 minutes ago, Alejandro GNR said: But whay about Touch Too Much for example....he mickeys it... I still believe it depends on the song. WE COULD GET SOME INFO IN THE MULTIPLE POSTCADS FROM GNR CENTRAL, but for some reason they wont ask anything about Axl vocal changes he touched up the vocals on this one. Sounded much better the last time. I think he thought he could sing it with that mickey voice and it sound good but as you can tell from the first few lines he is barely audible Bc that vocal doesn’t project very well live. Which is why I think he worked to improve it. If the above video was at a gnr show it would be one of the better vocal performances of the night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janrichmond Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 39 minutes ago, Alejandro GNR said: WE COULD GET SOME INFO IN THE MULTIPLE POSTCADS FROM GNR CENTRAL, but for some reason they wont ask anything about Axl vocal changes I think the guys are being respectful to the guests they have, if the guest feels respected and comfortable they can maybe ask more in a 2nd chat, if the guest feels like they are being pushed to answer things they won't return and it may put future interviewees off. Just my opinion of course 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, janrichmond said: I think the guys are being respectful to the guests they have, if the guest feels respected and comfortable they can maybe ask more in a 2nd chat, if the guest feels like they are being pushed to answer things they won't return and it may put future interviewees off. Just my opinion of course Fernando says Axl knows about his mickey voice. Axl was asked about his vocals and if they’ve changed in the last 10 years during the China Exchange interview. i think Beta was mad at fans that said he didn’t try with GNR and said something along the lines of they are very different from gnr songs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janrichmond Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 @IncitingChaos i don't think you meant to quote me i was talking about the podcasts and answering @Alejandro GNR question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Yap meant to quote Alejandro. Thought he was asking about Axl’s voice being mentioned on podcast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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