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Are we too hard on Guns?

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2 minutes ago, Padme said:

I understand what you are saying. But just because Axl might like  the song and it means a lot to him. That doesn't mean I must like the song.

Of course not. You don't like it, that's fine, but you were asking why they were still playing it and I think that's probably the most likely reason, I may be wrong. I would imagine they'll drop it at some point but it's obviously something Axl still feels he needs/wants to play atm.

10 minutes ago, Padme said:

If in the St. Louis show they play some Tom Jones song. Do I have to be happy they play that song

Yes... it's Tom. :lol:

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4 hours ago, Padme said:

Since when Cornell is one of his favorite artist? We've seen Axl with Elton John, Bruce Springsteen, Billy Joel, Freddie Mercury tribute/Brian May, Sebastian Bach. When Chris Cornell invited Axl to anything or care about him? 

Axl was asked in an interview who his favourite singers were and he replied "Frank Sinatra and Chris Cornell".

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Axl sounds bad this year. He'll sing his ass off for AC/DC and doesn't do much in GNR.

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1 hour ago, Blackstar said:

Axl was asked in an interview who his favourite singers were and he replied "Frank Sinatra and Chris Cornell".

He can play all the songs from all his favorite singers if that makes him happy. However that's not my cup of tea. So from now on I'm just staying away from future shows

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4 hours ago, Padme said:

I understand what you are saying. But just because Axl might like  the song and it means a lot to him. That doesn't mean I must like the song. If in the St. Louis show they play some Tom Jones song. Do I have to be happy they play that song just because the song means a lot to Axl? 

And here you're forgetting that to many musicians their music is kind of a self therapy. Maybe it just helps him singing this song again and again and to express his own admiration for Chris. Maybe it helps him to cope better with Chris' sudden death, whcih most definitely was quite a slap in the face to him. You know, those guys on stage have feelings, just like yourself! I know, hard to imagine, but it's true!

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10 minutes ago, Bono said:

It's hilarious to see people who can't for the life of them understand why others criticize the setlist. You go to a Guns N' Roses show to see and hear Guns N Roses ye.... of the 30 songs played at the last show we got 

The Seeker
Black Hole Sun
Whole Lotta Rosie
Layla
Wish You Were Here
God Father Theme
Attitude
**Live and Let Die
**Knockin On Heaven's Door

Nearly 1/3 of the show was cover songs plus 4 CD songs while songs like Pretty Tied Up, Think About You, Out Ta Get Me, Dead Horse, Anything Goes etc sit by the way side and songs like Don't Damn Me, Locomotive and Breakdown have never been played period(Maybe Breakdown was played once)

It's fairly obvious and deservedly so why people have issue with the set list. I mean  why not let Duff sing So Fine one time. At least it's a GnR song. People don't want to bitch about things but the lack of effort by the band to do something exciting or throw fans something different is lame. And before the peanut gallery starts preaching "Everybody at the shows has a great time". No fucking shit. Being there in person is always a great time. That doesn't mean people can't have an opinion about the set list. 

Yeah I agree about the covers. Overall, its a great set with a lot of variety but there are SO MANY covers. God damn, its insane

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I'm Still mad that You're Crazy which has a similar sound to the beginning of Seeker has not been played...I love the Seeker, but cmon how has You're Crazy stayed buried all this time?

overall you can never be too hard on gnr. They have shit on fans for over two decades...and here we are waiting for more. It's a sad cycle. If they weren't so god damn talented I'd hope they all go bankrupt and reside in a homeless shelter. However I still see potential in any lineup with Axl...now that Slash is in I'm more optimistic but also know we are playing on Axl's time and his rules.

What it all comes down to is a lack of material from all ends of this band. 

-last two creative albums released in 08 &91

-only two official live dvd's/bluray/VHS 

-terrible fan website

-terrible vip passes for tours 

there's so much more they could do with the fan base they have

i don't care if you never want to release another album, but how about you start putting some old concerts on your YouTube channel. I'd even pay for them. But at the end of the day the fan base is alive, the band has just been unresponsive.

ill give them an A+ on touring though. They got that down 

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I think we are too hard with them because they have waste the huge potential they had by various means, 
not everyone is top album for their first album ...
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On 23/07/2017 at 7:33 PM, ZoSoRose said:

Yeah I agree about the covers. Overall, its a great set with a lot of variety but there are SO MANY covers. God damn, its insane

i wouldnt have a problem with covers if they were to pick 5 or 8 covers every night from a pool of 20 or 30 or 40 different covers

(or do like pearl jam and play 500 diffferent covers in 25 years -- that would be awesome)

problem is that they play THE EXACT SAME COVERS every single night

axl is ozzying his way onstage for much too long now and whatever is left of GNR is kinda doing just the same

 

22 minutes ago, Ramaaj said:

I think we are too hard with them because they have waste the huge potential they had by various means, 
not everyone is top album for their first album ...

also it is worth mentioning that not everyone goes on such a downward spiral for 26 years!

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It depends. There's certain areas where they deserve it and areas where they don't. I honestly feel that some people on here get their hopes up and then get angry despite the fact that they set themselves up for disappointment and then shit on the band for not doing what they wanted. 

With that said, if they're not going to release anything new, they should at least change the setlist up and release some stuff from the vault
 

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Well, what do you expect? This joke of a band has shown too much disrespect towards their fans. Axl doesn't give a fuck, really, and Slash and Duff seem pretty comfortable following that same line.

 

There's always bitching online among the fanbase in forums, it's part of how the internet works. One of my all time fav. bands (NIN) has a great online community, and despite the fact that Trent Reznor has been releasing music consistently throughout his career either as NIN, HTDA, movie soundtracks, etc, delivers incredible live shows that are always AT LEAST very good, releases music in ways that keep the fans involved, etc, there's quite a bit of bitching from fans because of some fuck-ups here and there, or because of plain old self-entitled cunts who will never be happy.

Point is, GUNS don't deliver neither of those things, how are fans supposed to be positive? We all still support the band, and we'll buya an album if it is ever released, but what else do you expect? We thought this band would get better with Duff and Slash on board, but it has only been getting consistently worse day after day. No new music, bullshit about Izzy's and Steven's involvement (or lack of), overpriced tickets, Axl delivering some of his worst vocals to date, ZERO contact with the fanbase, a shitty fanclub that is nothing but a rip-off, overpriced merch...

 

Personally, I find this sad, it sucks what GNR has become, and what sucks even more is that those other 2 oldies who joinedfor this "reunion" are cool with all that crap. Integrity? My fucking ass. Whether people likedor not CD, there was something to look forward to back then, there was something going on, there was a project moving (very slowly), we were discovering new music. And CD was released NINE FUCKING YEARS AGO.

 

All we can expect right now is more cashgrab nostalgia touring with mediocre performances and the same setlist with 2 or 3 changes here and there.

 

Well, fuck that. I know I'm not owed anything, but still, FUCK THAT. This GNR online community is for fans to interact, and we react to what we are given and/or denied. This is not supposed to be an online version of an extended entourage of Axl's yesmen.

 

We will be positive about the band and comment in a positive way when they deliver something that's worth of praise and positive feedback. Right now they're heading in the opposite direction 1000 miles/hour.

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If Guns wants to be a purely touring, money-making machine, so be it, but they're going to have to put in some effort. 

The merch is pretty much the same stuff they've been selling since time began. The only thing fresh at all are those lithos. 

Axl said it best quoting his old acquaintance Riad in the Chinese Democracy liner notes: "people were stupid and he could sell them anything". It's almost as if that cautionary tale has become the modus operandi. 

So if you're dissatisfied - stop going to shows, buying shitty merch, unfollow them on social media, and whatever else you can do. 

And stop stealing content and streaming live shows. That sort of bullshit is why no one makes music anymore and does $200 tours instead.

Power to the people, peace out, and blame Merck and Azoff. 

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On 7/22/2017 at 3:56 AM, Zurimor said:

What a bullshit, ask Slash, Duff, Steven about their drug usage, not even close to single-handedly. Also, the band members obviously had different ideas for the band, you could even say Axl evolved, the rest of the band did not (without any judgement). It's normal that ways do part if this happens in a band.

On topic, yes, many people are too harsh. If it were just for the money, they wouldn't need to do 3+ hours shows as you said. 2 hours or even 90 minutes would be enough. Seems like some GN'R fans have difficulties to appreciate what they have. ;)

 

Axl evolved? He evolved into shit. He "evolved" into trying to copy every trend that came out in the 90's. Admiring shitbags like Fed Durst.  Are you serious?  When you are as great as GNR, you do not need to "evolve". Besides, UY1 and 2 is the only "evolving" they needed to do.

 

Chinese Democracy is a joke of an album. Thank God the other members never "evolved". Imagine evolving into hiding and never releasing shit  lol

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On 7/22/2017 at 11:37 AM, Estranged Reality said:

How has he ruined the GN'R legacy?

All the people who complained during the Chinese Democracy era (or lack thereof at times...) wanted him to get back together with Slash, and that has happened. They're touring, they're putting on well-reviewed and well-attended shows. I get that die-hard fans want an album, or more variety in the set lists; but for the casual fan that the reunion tour is targeted toward, they're pretty much delivering exactly what anyone would want, and I think it's overall been handled quite well. I definitely sympathize at times with the idea of changing up the songs more and all that, but again, that's coming more from the perspective of a die-hard fan following all the shows and watching performances on YT, and the average person going to see them isn't going to care about that; they just want to hear SCOM, PC, WTTJ, etc. 

Get back together only if his voice was up to it, which it is not. Without Axl's voice this band is not what it is supposed to be. Just like it wouldn't be without Slash's guitar.  What we got now is the Slash show covering Guns n' Roses songs. Songs he couldn't play unless he got back together with Axl.. That is the bright spot in this tour:   SLASH.

 

and also Duff.

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20 minutes ago, SWINGTRADER said:

Axl evolved? He evolved into shit. He "evolved" into trying to copy every trend that came out in the 90's. Admiring shitbags like Fed Durst.  Are you serious?  When you are as great as GNR, you do not need to "evolve". Besides, UY1 and 2 is the only "evolving" they needed to do.

 

Chinese Democracy is a joke of an album. Thank God the other members never "evolved". Imagine evolving into hiding and never releasing shit  lol

I like CD and many others enjoy it, too. Your opinion doesn't apply to everyone. :)

 

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On 2017-07-22 at 6:49 PM, EricA said:

I don't think "we" are too hard on Guns, but "we" are running in circles, i've never been on an other band forum where there was a need for such a question or a thread like this...

Here is a Perfect sum up of complaints:

No new album or new music

No Izzy Stradlin

No Steven Adler

No real Appetite anniversary

Stale setlist, stale performances

Zero interviews or interaction between members

Nostalgia + Cashgrab = $$$

Bad singing with no rasp/Mickey voice

Frank's drumming

Melissa's uselessness 

...but REALLY in every single show thread:facepalm: that's boring and that's why it looks like we are too hard on Guns!

Some of these things above are facts, some are up to everybodys own opinion/taste !

We all know the facts, so why discussing them over and over and over again?

Maybe because there is nothing else to discuss about the current band?

Maybe because there's not much positive to say given the FACTS?

The whole purpose of these online boards is for us to talk, discuss, shoot the shit among fans. And in the case of GNR, if we want to discuss the band's music (the reason we became fans of the band), we have to go al least 9 years BACK.

 

Sadly, there's nothing to talk about regarding GNR since the first leg of the reunion. So, we can talk about the current facts (live performances), or talk again, for the millionth time, about AFD, Lies, UYI, TSI?, or CD.

 

That's what happens with stale acts.

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On ‎7‎/‎22‎/‎2017 at 5:45 AM, jacdaniel said:

I have a read of the forum almost every day and its sad to see it so full of negativity.  No izzy or Steve, Axls voice, setlist, Melissa, Frank, ticket prices, ticket sales, no new music, cash grab....

 

We more or less knew from the start that it was just slash and duff rejoining. We've known for years that Axl is struggling with rasp/midrange. The setlist is really awesome IMO. 

 

At the end of the day, they are going out there and playing 3+ hour shows with almost 30 songs.  If it was just a cash grab, they'd be playing a 2 hour set with way less songs. 

 

I for one am enjoying the tour.  It's great to see my favourite band out there playing huge shows to huge crowds. It's great that Guns are relevant again. 

 

Of course I would love to hear an interview, or new music or a new drummer but I'm going to enjoy the reunion for what it is and not worry too much about what it's not. 

 

If Guns read the forum, it wouldn't surprise me that they steer clear of the online community.

In short, the answer is yes.  Plain and simple.  I know a lot of people will bitch and moan about people drawing that conclusion, but you just don't find fan sites where people badmouth the band incessantly like you do here.  It's a shame, because with the reunion, people have regained interest.  When said people stumble across this site and think "Oh cool!  A GnR fansite!" they get lost quickly when they start seeing posts like "Do you think Axl rapes Slash every night? Do you think he makes Duff watch?"  and they just leave.  Mygnrforum is the ultimate loser in the whole thing because they could have gained a lot more traffic.

 

Overall, it kind of flows, some years ago, this was the single most hateful site on the web for Guns n' Roses.  They were really hung up on the whole "we don't want to censor people" thing and it opened the door for straight hate.  I spent about 2 years away from the site because it was like 85% negative.  The golden rule, as far as I could tell was if you prefaced something with "I'm a really big fan" you could say whatever you wanted. So for example, you could write "I'm a huge fan, love these guys: So my question is this - I was talking to Axl after a show, and he said he knows how terrible he is, and he thinks NuGuns is a joke, but he's addicted to the money.  He said he hates his fans, and part of him feels guilty about it.  He seemed sincere, he seemed like a really cool guy. What do you guys think?  Should he be ripping us off? Or should he retire?"    Sounds extreme, right?  Well, it's from a post that wasn't an "extreme example"  and was not ever locked.  That was the discussions we had on here.   If you wrote "Love the band" and bookended it with "seems really cool"  You could flat out slander the band in between.

 

  It's gotten a lot better but it's still annoying, I don't follow the site like I used to, but it is at least tolerable.  The mods now are much better now, and they do a really good job of keeping main threads clean.   For a very short while when they created a sub forum for the hate speech, the main board was pretty cool.  Slowly, the trolling seeped it's way back on to the main page.  I mostly lurk to see if anything leaks.

Unfortunately, as long as people who dislike the band feel compelled to come here for the sole purpose of telling people (who don't give a shit) that they dislike the band, the hate will be there.

 

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Just my opinion here....to answer this question NO ...and as someone who has been a fan of theirs for 29 years now Guns N Roses are sure hard on their fans...
first off not every fan who really wants to see them live can afford the outrageous ticket prices...
so some fans depend on releases of music/dvds whatever...you know that "new material" stuff everyone talks about everyone bitching about.   (mainly lack of)
the whole VIP thing is fucking insane...and should tell you something... you pay  1 or 2 grand  and what????  YOU'RE STILL NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO MEET THE BAND???????  absolutely horrible!!!   
If GNR continued to release new music over the years and some albums sucked OKAY so what you keep producing and making records eventually one will be amazingly good... I'd rather wish they made some shitty records instead of breaking up and having nothing for 16 to 20 yrs... and here it is again 9 yrs after Chinese Democracy was released hearing the same old shit i heard since 94 "they are making and working on new music"...they need to stop touring for now and take a breath before the same shit happens all over again!!!......

again this is just my opinion!  which of course does not matter!

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Some of you are too hard on mygnrforum

GNR fans are very loyal and optimistic to a fault.

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2 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

Some of you are too hard on mygnrforum

GNR fans are very loyal and optimistic to a fault.

Eh i think we're abuncha pessimistic cunts honestly. Its not without reason though, the band is ran terribly.    

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33 minutes ago, -W.A.R- said:

Eh i think we're abuncha pessimistic cunts honestly. Its not without reason though, the band is ran terribly.    

Deep down we all want the band to do a good job, release more music and for everyone to have fun without being ripped off and that's despite how disappointing GNR decides to be. Pessimism with a reason is not pessimism.

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