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1 hour ago, Modano09 said:

In general that's a good point, and probably the explanation. But for me personally, even at the time, I didn't think it was anything more than awesome music. Similar to Marilyn Manson. I liked the music, and I knew simply listening to him was a form of rebellion, but there was nothing about the music that really touched me or whatever. On the flip side, GNR and Nine Inch Nails I can still listen to and remember why I connected to it.

I think that depends on each person and the things that move you. I know people who still listen to Marilyn and he is their idol and his lyrics mean something to them....

Not everybody relate to the same things :shrugs:

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8 hours ago, papashaun said:

Don't know if anyone else ever listened to the comedian, Tim Wilson, but he had this quote to say about Kurt Cobain one time:

"Kurt Cobain.....now there's a waste of humanity. The man couldn't play, the man couldn't sing....yet he hated the world, just because he was paid millions of dollars, to give it a good try."

I don't know if that's a serious comment, but he was a terrible guitarist and musician, yet he influenced so many kids to pick up a guitar. He showed them that you didn't have to be some 80's shredder to play in a rock band even if you can't play a lot more than power and open chords. I think he had a great voice, though, and the intensity and anguish in that scream of his was part of the appeal.

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14 hours ago, EvanG said:

He was the man of contradictions. He contradicted himself sometimes in the same interview. I think it was his best friend who once said that Kurt wanted to play for 100.000 people yet at the same time he felt guilty for wanting that. It's odd guessing why he really killed himself, but I think it had more to do with depression and drugs than 'success'. Because he wanted success and be in a successful rock band, but at the same time he didn't. 

I think it was pretty obvious that he wanted to be successful but not famous. He wanted to have fans on the street saying: "That album was awesome man!" and not to have a herd of reporters in front of his house trying to judge his parenting but sadly, they come together usually.

 

Lol @Kurt being bad musician and guitarist. He may not shred great but he could play the shit out of it

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40 minutes ago, Nicklord said:

I think it was pretty obvious that he wanted to be successful but not famous. He wanted to have fans on the street saying: "That album was awesome man!" and not to have a herd of reporters in front of his house trying to judge his parenting but sadly, they come together usually.

 

Lol @Kurt being bad musician and guitarist. He may not shred great but he could play the shit out of it

I think even that was a contradiction, in a way he liked the attention but at other times he didn't. He married a woman who was the opposite of him in every way, someone extremely outgoing and desperate for attention, which I think he admired because he was so introverted most of the time.

He wasn't a great musician, maybe ''terrible'' isn't exactly the right word. I think he was self-conscious about his lack of technique and therefore he ''dumbed'' everything down and played everything on guitar as simple as possible. He always talked about being musically retarded and not a great guitarist in interviews, but he probably could have been better if he tried. The fact that he was completely fucked up on something or another during live shows didn't make his 'sloppy' style any better. Anyway, my point was that he still managed to influence a lot of kids no matter how much he was lacking as a musician. 

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On 18/08/2017 at 0:00 PM, sidman69 said:

i think this is perhaps my favourite episode. Some cool stories about Axl finding out Kurt passed away and Axl ranting about Nirvana at GNR shows and more!

 

 

there was never a "GNR x Nirvana feud"

it was all axl

 

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On 8/24/2017 at 6:53 AM, EvanG said:

I don't know if that's a serious comment, but he was a terrible guitarist and musician, yet he influenced so many kids to pick up a guitar. He showed them that you didn't have to be some 80's shredder to play in a rock band even if you can't play a lot more than power and open chords. I think he had a great voice, though, and the intensity and anguish in that scream of his was part of the appeal.

You must a great guitarist and musician then to be able to judge so objectively. Can I hear some of your songs, if you are? I bet they're incredible. 

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55 minutes ago, Son Nguyen said:

You must a great guitarist and musician then to be able to judge so objectively. Can I hear some of your songs, if you are? I bet they're incredible. 

Thanks, dude, I do alright.

But anyway, when the man himself said that he wasn't a great musician, when people who worked with him said he wasn't a great musician, when you listen to many live performances you can tell he's not a great musician, then yeah...

I think he had a great voice, he was a great songwriter, and he did some really cool stuff, but he wasn't a great musician.

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They knew how to mess with Axl so he was an easy target. I doubt they ever thought the band was talentless. (Neither band has really done anything since) 

my thing is they go after Axl's character and talk about how he treats women, gays and black people. Which is fine. Axl isn't perfect..neither was Kurt (obviously). But the big difference is Axl stuck around long enough to make himself a better human. Kurt never made the effort, Bc whatever he was or wanted to be didn't fit into our world..which became a completely selfish move. 

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If it was the Rose of 1987 that was being attacked by Corbain I'd be in Rose's corner, but Kurt was attacking the Rose of the Illusion era who was frankly embarrassingly pompous, all fake teeth implants, bloated videos to bloated ballads and Elton John's hussar cast-offs.

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21 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

If it was the Rose of 1987 that was being attacked by Corbain I'd be in Rose's corner, but Kurt was attacking the Rose of the Illusion era who was frankly embarrassingly pompous, all fake teeth implants, bloated videos to bloated ballads and Elton John's hussar cast-offs.

-Is there anything about Guns N' Roses' music you like?
I can't think of a damn thing. I can't even waste my time on that band, because they're so obviously pathetic and untalented. I used to think that everything in the mainstrteam pop world was crap, but now that some underground bands have been signed with majors, I take Guns N' Roses as more of an offense. I have to look into it more: They're really talentless people, and they write crap music, and they're the most popular rock band on the earth right now. I can't believe it.

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-How do you feel about Guns N' Roses fans coming to see you?
Well, when we played that No on 9 benefit in Portland, I said something about Guns N' Roses. Nothing nasty-I think I said, "And now, for our next song, 'Sweet Child o' Mine.'" But some kid jumped onstage and said, "Hey, man, Guns N' Roses plays awesome music, and Nirvana plays awesome music. Let's just get along and work things out, man!"
And I just couldn't help but say, "No, kid, you're really wrong. Those people are total sexist jerks, and the reason we're playing this show is to fight homophobia in a real small way. The guy is a fucking sexist and a racist and a homophobe, and you can't be on his side and be on our side. I"m sorry that I have to divide this up like this, but it's something you can't ignore. And besides they can't write good music." [Laughs]

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There is a war going on in the high schools now between Nirvana kids and Guns N' Roses kids. It's really cool. I'm really proud to be a part of that, because when I was in high school, I dressed like a punk rocker and people would scream "Devo!" at me-because Devo infiltrated the mainstream. Out of all the bands who came fromt he underground and actually made it in the mainstream, Devo is the most subversive and challenging of all. They're just awesome. I love them.

http://www.nirvanaclub.com/info/articles/02.00.93.html

(He didn't know that Axl liked Devo too...)

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2 hours ago, IncitingChaos said:

But the big difference is Axl stuck around long enough to make himself a better human. Kurt never made the effort, Bc whatever he was or wanted to be didn't fit into our world..which became a completely selfish move. 

How do we know Axl is a better human nowadays? We know nothing about the guy anymore. He's stopped talking about his thoughts and feelings since 1992.

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3 hours ago, killuridols said:

How do we know Axl is a better human nowadays? We know nothing about the guy anymore. He's stopped talking about his thoughts and feelings since 1992.

I think if you look at some statements regarding his world view and how he views Trump's policies and people like Jeff Sessions..even things like his view of China while he was there and how suppressed those people are. 

He hasn't had any support for racist, he doesn't hate immigrants (he lives with em) 

i think you take things like this, the fact that there haven't been any reported beatings of women (we know if someone could they'd  love to sue him)

so while I can't say for sure I don't beleive Axl has any racist thoughts, immigrant hate, or beat any women lately. So take it for what it is. Maybe he's become a worse human in other ways, but I guess for the things he's been knocked for in the past he's found a way to clean those things up. 

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12 minutes ago, IncitingChaos said:

I think if you look at some statements regarding his world view and how he views Trump's policies and people like Jeff Sessions..even things like his view of China while he was there and how suppressed those people are. 

He hasn't had any support for racist, he doesn't hate immigrants (he lives with em) 

i think you take things like this, the fact that there haven't been any reported beatings of women (we know if someone could they'd  love to sue him)

so while I can't say for sure I don't beleive Axl has any racist thoughts, immigrant hate, or beat any women lately. So take it for what it is. Maybe he's become a worse human in other ways, but I guess for the things he's been knocked for in the past he's found a way to clean those things up. 

While I don't believe he's become a worse person I also cannot take the things you've mentioned as an indication that he doesn't think anymore like he used to.

His views on China are typical average American POV rather than the reflect of someone politically involved, with deep knowledge on the subject. 

The absence of media reports is not something that I would automatically consider a safe source of information since I know that millions of things go unreported every day because media purposely select their topics of interest (agenda setting).

Of course, any incident of that nature in relation with Axl would make headlines, but I think he's learn to take care of himself better now by not exposing himself to the cameras (or recorders) anymore. So, in that sense, his silence doesn't tell me any other thing than him just being more cautious.

His sexism is still apparent to me in those ridiculous t-shirts he wears every night and the fact that he's not been in a serious relationship since 1992 also tells me he's still struggling with this issue. Plus, he's made repeated comments about his "sad love life" in several occasions ever since the NITL tour started.

I couldn't say he's still beating up women but the lack of reports about it doesn't mean anything to me, when I know how hard still is for women to talk about it and denounce it, especially if you have to accuse a powerful man like him.

For all these reasons I choose to remain "in the wait" before making any statements about who he is today. My hopes are that he's in a better place and that he's learned from his mistakes but honestly, it's too hard for me to assume that he's actually there with so little evidence provided.

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4 hours ago, killuridols said:

While I don't believe he's become a worse person I also cannot take the things you've mentioned as an indication that he doesn't think anymore like he used to.

His views on China are typical average American POV rather than the reflect of someone politically involved, with deep knowledge on the subject. 

The absence of media reports is not something that I would automatically consider a safe source of information since I know that millions of things go unreported every day because media purposely select their topics of interest (agenda setting).

Of course, any incident of that nature in relation with Axl would make headlines, but I think he's learn to take care of himself better now by not exposing himself to the cameras (or recorders) anymore. So, in that sense, his silence doesn't tell me any other thing than him just being more cautious.

His sexism is still apparent to me in those ridiculous t-shirts he wears every night and the fact that he's not been in a serious relationship since 1992 also tells me he's still struggling with this issue. Plus, he's made repeated comments about his "sad love life" in several occasions ever since the NITL tour started.

I couldn't say he's still beating up women but the lack of reports about it doesn't mean anything to me, when I know how hard still is for women to talk about it and denounce it, especially if you have to accuse a powerful man like him.

For all these reasons I choose to remain "in the wait" before making any statements about who he is today. My hopes are that he's in a better place and that he's learned from his mistakes but honestly, it's too hard for me to assume that he's actually there with so little evidence provided.

Fair enough. You can believe what you want about Axl. What he did will forever taint his reputation in the eyes of many, sometimes a person can never fix that no matter how they live their life after. 

Good story though. There's a podcast of some guy in LA, he met Axl at a cigar shop in early to mid 2000's. He has no idea who he's talking to but apparently Axl goes on to tell him a story about taking a girl up to his room. He gets her there and she goes into the restroom..Axl doesn't think much of it but  he's sitting there waiting and watching tv, some infomercial comes on (I can't remember what it was) but he gets this terrible feeling, he knows something is wrong..so the girl comes out of the bathroom and Axl says "you have to go..get out" she tries to stay but he has a body guard escort her away. Apparently they get to the lobby and the girls mom was waiting for her. Their plan was to accuse Axl of something and force him into a settlement. 

Its a great story the way the guy tells it, I tried to sum it up but the best part is the commercial that freaks Axl out. (I think it was a date rape service announcement) 

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11 hours ago, IncitingChaos said:

Kurt never made the effort, Bc whatever he was or wanted to be didn't fit into our world..which became a completely selfish move. 

What do you mean he never made the effort? He battled with depression for most of his life, and are you referring to his suicide as selfish? You have no idea what is going on in someone's head when they do such a thing, you are in no position to ever judge something like that.

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2 minutes ago, EvanG said:

What do you mean he never made the effort? He battled with depression for most of his life, and are you referring to his suicide as selfish? You have no idea what is going on in someone's head when they do such a thing, you are in no position to ever judge something like that.

He had a daughter. Your life should never be put in front of hers. She grew up without her dad..I can't think of a more selfish act than that. That whatever you are dealing with is more difficult than not having your dad. 

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7 minutes ago, IncitingChaos said:

He had a daughter. Your life should never be put in front of hers. She grew up without her dad..I can't think of a more selfish act than that. That whatever you are dealing with is more difficult than not having your dad. 

Exactly, that's how you think about it, who is being selfish now? Again, you don't know in what kind of mental state someone is who commits suicide. It's so easy to call it selfish when you have no idea what's going on in that person's head. I can't imagine doing something like that either, but I've probably never been where those people have been, so I don't have the right to ever judge that. Shame on you.

 

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Just now, EvanG said:

Exactly, that's how you think about it, who is being selfish now? Again, you don't know in what kind of mental state someone is who commits suicide. It's so easy to call it selfish when you have no idea what's going on in that person's head. I can't imagine doing something like that either, but I've probably never been where those people have been, so I don't have the right to ever judge that. Shame on you.

 

Shame on him* 

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8 minutes ago, EvanG said:

Stop trolling the thread... go back to supporting one of your Trump campaigns, there you might find equal minded people.

Not a fan of trump, not a conservative either. I have just never been a fan of how we celebrate a guy that killed himself (with a family) yet we tear down people who made mistakes and sought redemption. 

You can view it how you want. I saw it as selfish..that's all. I think many will agree and many more will disagree like yourself. No need to get worked up over it. I apologize if you've dealt with depression or know someone in a similar situation. Didn't mean to touch a nerve but I hope whoever you know is still here and I hope they are dealing with it in a safe manner. Hopefully they find an escape and can still be with us today. If its something you've felt then I hope the best for you and would never want to disrespect your struggle or anyone else's. But I hope everyone keeps fighting regardless. 

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2 minutes ago, IncitingChaos said:

Not a fan of trump, not a conservative either. I have just never been a fan of how we celebrate a guy that killed himself (with a family) yet we tear down people who made mistakes and sought redemption. 

You can view it how you want. I saw it as selfish..that's all. I think many will agree and many more will disagree like yourself. No need to get worked up over it. I apologize if you've dealt with depression or know someone in a similar situation. Didn't mean to touch a nerve but I hope whoever you know is still here and I hope they are dealing with it in a safe manner. Hopefully they find an escape and can still be with us today. If its something you've felt then I hope the best for you and would never want to disrespect your struggle or anyone else's. But I hope everyone keeps fighting regardless. 

I'm not celebrating a guy who killed himself. I can't speak for other people. But I was talking about suicide in general.

I don't know anyone personally who ever committed suicide, so you didn't touch a nerve nor am I getting worked up. I just think it's incredibly narrow-minded to judge someone when you have no idea about their struggle or whatever is going on with them. It's easy to say... ''oh, I've dealt with depression and I've been through so much and I'm still here'', but that doesn't mean your situation is the same as someone elses. Open your mind.

Who knows what was going on with Cobain. He thought in his fragile, depressed, drug filled mind that his daughter would be better off growing up without him. Makes probably no sense to most people, but that was his state of mind. His friends thought that he might have suffered brain damage a month earlier when he had been in a coma, because they noticed something off about him. Who knows what was going on with him, to be calling it selfish without knowing anything about it, is to me very shallow.

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I think a lot of people go through depression at one point or another, and most people get through it without ever even thinking about sucide, but for some people it's a sickness and it keeps coming back and, like tremolo said, it can eventually pollute the mind to a point where your brain doesn't function normally anymore and you are not yourself and that can lead to suicide. It's hard, maybe even impossible to comprehend when you've never experienced that yourself.

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