THE OFFICIAL PROPER FOOTBALL THREAD 2020/21

[AtariLegend]

9 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Korea in 2002 was one of the most shocking displays of refereeing ever. 

My favorite moment of that when I was a kid in high school was the ITV commentator saying, no's going to convince me he meant that about Ronaldinho's free kick goal against England and the excuses afterwards.

Edited June 18, 2018 by AtariLegend

[DieselDaisy]

1 minute ago, AtariLegend said:

My favorite moment of that when I was a kid was the ITV commentator saying, no's going to convince me he meant that about Ronaldinho's free kick goal against England and the excuses afterwards.

You're a bit obsessed with the England football team aren't you? You seem as preoccupied with England as you are with Theresa May and certain newspapers.

[AtariLegend]

6 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

You're a bit obsessed with the England football team aren't you? You seem as preoccupied with England as you are with Theresa May and certain newspapers.

I'd like to talk about other teams, but both ITV and the BBC spend more time talking about the smile Harry Kane and Sterling have on their faces than the teams that are playing. Plus, the Brexit vote a few days before the Iceland game and that silly answer Kane a few years about Brexit has made me anti-England team.

I think some of the pundits are awful too. Personally can't take Neville seriously anymore after he almost took a Champion's League team into a relegation battle.

[DieselDaisy]

1 minute ago, AtariLegend said:

I'd like to talk about other teams, but both ITV and the BBC spend more time talking about the smile Harry Kane and Sterling have on their faces than the teams that are playing. Plus, the Brexit vote a few days before the Iceland game and that silly answer Kane a few years about Brexit has made me anti-England team.

I think some of the pundits are awful too. Personally can't take Neville seriously anymore after he almost took a Champion's League team into a relegation battle.

Is Harry Kane a Brexiteer? Harry Kane does sound like a ''Brexiteer type name'' come to think of it, salt of the earth olde English type of name. 

BBC/ITV are British tv stations in fairness. People want to know that they have playstations in their hotel and watch them arriving at the stadium on a bus!! There was a fair bit on Wales during the last Euros so it is not as if this is an Anglo-Saxon thing. The problem is, you Celts rarely qualify! If you qualified you'd get segments on what your team eats for breakfast and what your players are listening to on spotify. 

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2 hours ago, Padme said:

They are not my Iran or Panama. If it was up to me those teams wouldn't even be in the WC, neither Tunisia or Japan. But FIFA wants them. I think Germany, Argentina, Spain, Brazil, England should beat the living shit out of them. But they either draw, lose or barely win against them. Maybe because is still early in the tournament. Maybe because they are not used to play against those teams. Or maybe because European and South American teams play way too many European and South American tournaments every year. And they are a bit overwhelmed

I think it’s because for Tunisia type teams the game against England is like a world cup final. If they cause an upset they go down in history. And they will often do anything to win, like park the bus. And all that is fine. But the England mindset doesn’t always realise this. Or fans don’t see that reality. Man city players are used to breaking down defensive teams. Spurs too. So it’s more the expectation that it’s going to be 4-0 that sometimes has anegative effect. The pressure seems to overwhelm them. But this group seem more at ease with media and are more underdogs than the golden generation. 

But Tunisia weren’t that bad, they rode their luck and were competitive. They didn’t park the bus in a real way. 

Walker given his comments before the game and facing his goal for the goal using his arms like a fullback, seems like Cahill should come in. 

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Wales has it’s own tv channels like BBC Wales right? They talk more about Welsh football. 

I think there seemed to be a narrative Rio was speaking to. They were focusing on the positives much more at half time, Rio mentioned how they used to get heavily criticised. But it was looking like same old england. Somehow something conspires against them. There’s a lack of gamesmanship with English players. Walker seemed be saying to the Tunisian players at the end if I wanted to elbow you I would have  decked you. The ref and VAR officials gave England exactly nothing in that game. Maybe in 2006 it was hard to tell, but mow with no expectations, it seems obvious. Tackles from behind, waving play on for handballs, Kane rugby tackled in the box. 

Basically Fifa want Messi, Neymar, Ronaldo to win it. But they also want these no mark teams that qualify under globalization to do well. Italy and the Netherlands must be wonderng how Saudi and Tunisia are even in the WC. 

That mini doc highlighted some of the megative myths generated by Capello “the ghost of 66”. The ghost of 86, 96, 2006 more like. This kind of thing seems to be actively avoid by Southgate. Getting media on their side seems to the idea with BBC on board. ITV is more bitter ex players like Neville moaning about never winning anything with England. 

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2 hours ago, AtariLegend said:

I think Japan should, they've at least made it past the group stages a few times and won the Asia version of the Euro's three times this century. It's also the world cup, not the European/South American Cup.

South Korea might not be very good, but they have a better World Cup record this century than England technically. 

South Korea and Japan are good. They have players from the european leagues. Saudi were weak or took the russian money to throw the game. It’s good for football development around the world. 

[AtariLegend]

Just want to say on Capello. He was that manager of that legendary AC Milan side that went 55 games unbeaten in the league when it was the stronger league in the 90's, he won league titles and Europeans cup, league cups you name it in Spain and Italy. He was a serial winner and England, tbh when it comes to England I blame the players not him. They did collapse against Germany in 2010 and the players did blame him, but if you look at the stats he's only the manager that had England win the vast majority of their games one way or the other. The FA messing with other team selection and the England captaincy can't have helped either.

Oh and I said I think Japan should, however this year's crop aren't expected to do well. Only heard bad things and looks like really poor form recently, anyway we'll see. 

Decent chance Columbia is who England are getting in last 16, so it should be interesting.

Edited June 19, 2018 by AtariLegend

[Padme]

6 hours ago, AtariLegend said:

I think Japan should, they've at least made it past the group stages a few times and won the Asia version of the Euro's three times this century. It's also the world cup, not the European/South American Cup.

South Korea might not be very good, but they have a better World Cup record this century than England technically. 

So Japan won the Asian version. Would they be able to win the European Cup? They might win a match against Island. Can they win against Germany, Spain, Portugal, or Ingland?

I'm not saying only Europeand and S.A. teams should paticipate. But now there are too many teams that they are a head scratcher like Panama, Australia or Saudi Arabia

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Fifa want to spread football around the world. Part of that is giving Saudi, Aussie, Tunisia places at the WC. There might be the next Messi somewhere in Tunisia now getting inspired by them body checking english players on live tv. Who knows anything can happen in football. 0-0 penalties. 

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[Padme]

6 hours ago, wasted said:

South Korea and Japan are good. They have players from the european leagues

Following your logic, Egypt is a football super power because of Salah. You will have one or two stars from countries like Korea or Japan. But that happens once in a blue moon. Football is a team sport, 11 guys not just 1 need beyond average skills in whatever position they are playing.

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1 hour ago, Padme said:

Following your logic, Egypt is a football super power because of Salah. You will have one or two stars from countries like Korea or Japan. But that happens once in a blue moon. Football is a team sport, 11 guys not just 1 need beyond average skills in whatever position they are playing.

Well yes, this is by degrees. Firstly it’s who has strong leagues, then some have a lot of players in strong leagues. Then some have a few like Japan, then some have one, some have none like Tunisia. 

I guess the logic is if you don’t let them qualify there’s no incentive for them to develop football. 

The group stages are meant to clean them out. 

But theres a definite case for Italy and Netherlands being in just because they have decent leagues. I guess european teams are better overall. 

At the end of the day if you can’t qualify then you’re not going to win it. 

I think Japan and Korea have a few. There’s a few in prem and serie A. They might have 4-5. 

I sort of have a magic of the cup feeling about it. Some smaller team could hack their way to the final. Greece won the euros one year. 

 

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[AtariLegend]

Greece were awful and lucked their way there. Only tourn winning side, since I've been alive without a star player.

1 hour ago, Padme said:

Following your logic, Egypt is a football super power because of Salah. You will have one or two stars from countries like Korea or Japan. But that happens once in a blue moon. Football is a team sport, 11 guys not just 1 need beyond average skills in whatever position they are playing.

Egypt aren't good, but Africa should have rep. at the world cup.

Japan might go out at the group stages this year, but they embrassed themselves less at the last 2 cup's than England. 

I might point out a decade ago the golden generation's stars lost a match to Northern Ireland and couldn't qualify for Euro 08. 

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I like the way Japan play. 

The point is that it could happen is a part of football. But like any sport some countries are stronger. 

I don’t think it should be a break away super world cup with just nations who have the best players. It’s already predictable enough. Throw in some underdogs. 

Edited June 19, 2018 by wasted

[Padme]

 

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It’s a funny ole game. 

[DieselDaisy]

Nihon. Nihon. 

Apparently 18.3 million watched England v Tunisia. 

[Padme]

Brilliant play by Colombia. I don't know everyone else, but in my case it's the first time I see a free kick being executed underneath instead of over the barrier. That's innovation!

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I don’t normally rate Kane, basically just bcos the way he looks, but I have to admit he has just been a goal machine for at least two seasons. That header was world class. 

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2 minutes ago, Padme said:

Brilliant play by Colombia. I don't know everyone else, but in my case it's the first time I see a free kick being executed underneath instead of over the barrier. That's innovation!

Lampard and Gerrard used to do it every other week. Frank was more of a deflected free kick specialist. I think I remember Figo doing something like it in the chumps league. It used be Platini and Zico bending it around the wall. Now they need two walls. 

[Padme]

4 minutes ago, wasted said:

Lampard and Gerrard used to do it every other week. Frank was more of a deflected free kick specialist. I think I remember Figo doing something like it in the chumps league. It used be Platini and Zico bending it around the wall. Now they need two walls. 

Thanks, I don't remember seeing it before. But I don't follow football all the time

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1 minute ago, Padme said:

Thanks, I don't remember seeing it before. But I don't follow football all the time

It’s a good point that this seems to be a thing though. In the olden days of yore it used to bending the ball round the wall. Ronaldo made the up and down more popular. Now this cowardly trick is being employed. 

This game is no better than the Japan Mexico friendly I saw on repeat the other day. 

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Honda. I think he plays in Serie A?

Milan but in 2017 he joined a Mexican team. Very Kenny Powers move. 

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Gol. 

[Padme]

29 minutes ago, wasted said:

It’s a good point that this seems to be a thing though. In the olden days of yore it used to bending the ball round the wall. Ronaldo made the up and down more popular. Now this cowardly trick is being employed. 

This game is no better than the Japan Mexico friendly I saw on repeat the other day. 

Colombia has serious problems on deffense. And they played most of the match with 10 men because of the sent off