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3 minutes ago, Pishy said:

Stallone knew she was 16 which in itself is distgusting because she is a child and can't consent , she is a kid , he was so popular at the time and she probably thought he was cool . These rapists  use a power differential against their victims . 

Stallone also forced her to do things with his body guard , she didn't want to, body guard raped her too.

in neither case is she capable of consent no matter what she said . And read the article below , the police report is in there . He knew her exact age and a 40 year old man back then, had daughters who are 16,17 or 18, he has to look at girls that are so young that such an "accident " could occur? Yes, because he is a rapist and pedophile. 

and it's always interesting to me how grown men yell, "she looked 18!" Or "he thought she was 18". So you are saying a child , a teen , that is just a few years past 16, somehow turned into an adult because the law set the age at 18 for other purposes ? Well then if they are so adult , why can't they drink at 18? So 16 is a child and 17 is a child and then look at this , 18, thank god I can legally molest children ! Nasty perverts , 18 year old girls are interested in 18 year old boys , not creepy dudes that look like their father .

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5081605/amp/Sylvester-Stallone-accused-forcing-teen-threesome.html

Not necessarily for this case...because this case happened 30+ years ago and there's not enough evidence either way. 

But just generally speaking, are you saying that all of a sudden, any 16-18 yearold girl that has relations with a guy older than her is a victim?  SMH.. Please.  

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Just now, Kasanova King said:

Not necessarily for this case...because this case happened 30+ years ago and there's not enough evidence either way. 

But just generally speaking, are you saying that all of a sudden, any 16-18 yearold girl that has relations with a guy older than her is a victim?  SMH.. Please.  

That's not what I said . Define "older guy"? Do you agree that 16 year old kids , 17 , 18, are not fully developed cognitively ? They still think like children . Their brains are not fully developed/functioning until st least 25, despite how '"mature" or "smart" they are. They are much more vulnerable to all kinds of coercion and poor decision making . If a 17 year old girl likes a 19 year old boy and it's consensual , ok. But if a 30 year old man is chasing 17 year old girls , maybe he is a sicko . It's different if it's 30 and 40 but kids are radically different in their decision making capabilities and you know that .

  Plus they look like kids! An 18 year old boy looks like a kid and acts like a kid , I left the 18 year old cat sitter art supplies and pizza money , not a porn subscription .

 

It's in the police report , they told her they would bash her head in . 

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3 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

I thought she had said they told her that(in the police report)? I'm just giving a passing judgement/my reaction to it.

IDK...Looks like she wanted to hook up with Stallone, started to...then Stallone's body guard got involved...she hooked up with him too, regretted hooking up with him, was embarrassed, etc.  If they did threaten her, then that is disgusting.  And Stallone shouldn't be hooking up with 16 yearolds at his age.  But it happened 30 years ago and from the looks of it, it was consensual at the time but she regretted it later. 

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17 minutes ago, Kasanova King said:

Personally, that's not my thing.  Never was into younger girls once I was an adult. But the age of consent in Nevada is 16 years old. 

And not sure how all of a sudden all 16 year old girls are little angels.  When I was 16 and dated girls that age, there were a certain amount of girls that were conservative...you would be lucky to get a kiss on the cheek after a date. 

On the other hand, there were also girls that you could date that:

A. Looked like they were in their 20's. 

B. Would rock your world.  

Not all girls mature at the same rate, etc.  There were plenty of 16 year old girls when I was that age that had no reservations about going all the way and were known for it.  

Now that I'm a dad, I don't like thinking about that stuff but it is what it is.

 

Your casual dismissive attitude that this is no big deal is disturbing.. 16yr old girls are children and your attitude that somehow she was no angel and asking for it is equaling disturbing...we at not talking about 16yr olds exploring there sexuality this was a famous grown man taking advantage of a child....smh....

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6 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

That's way over the top lol. Next you'll be saying it's basically pedophilia to fuck a 20yrld(don't think they can legally drink in America either) and are a mere 4 years above the age of consent!

It's a horrible vicious thing. No need to conflate things and be so dramatic.

total nonsense old goat you are defecting from the main point...... a 16 year old is not an adult physically or emotionally...Stallone was a grown man taking advantage of a child.......how can you even defend this logic....

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1 minute ago, classicrawker said:

Your casual dismissive attitude that this is no big deal is disturbing.. 16yr old girls are children and your attitude that somehow she was no angel and asking for it is equaling disturbing...we at not talking about 16yr olds exploring there sexuality this was a famous grown man taking advantage of a child....smh....

You're acting like this never happens in Hollywood or better yet, Rock N' Roll.  This is the classic case of a groupie that had regrets after hooking up with Stallone.  And it looks like her regret was hooking up with his bodyguard...not even Stallone. 

Like I said, I was never into girls that age when I was an adult.  Not my thing.  I've always liked women in their 30's for some reason...even when I was younger...lol.  But this stuff happens, even more so in Rock N' Roll. 

You're posting on a fan page of a rock band that was notorious for having relations with 16, 17, 18 year old groupies..(maybe even younger, who knows what the hell they did when they were wasted) ....they even wrote songs about some of them...are you kidding me?

 

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11 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

That's way over the top lol. Next you'll be saying it's basically pedophilia to fuck a 20yrld(don't think they can legally drink in America either) and are a mere 4 years above the age of consent!

It's a horrible vicious thing. No need to conflate things and be so dramatic.

No, there are many pedos that go to "barely 18" porn sites or look for barely 18 girls.  What's the point of barely 18? Is 21 too old? Yes, because they want the idea of a child . And they try to make these girls  look younger, putting them in pig tails and school girl uniforms ,the pull is, you can be a pervert , but legally . The element they're after is the child appearance.

Age of consent in the US is 18. It was higher but lowered because 21 year olds were not as interested in joining the military as 18 year olds could be convinced to be.

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3 minutes ago, Pishy said:

No, there are many pedos that go to "barely 18" porn sites or look for barely 18 girls.  What's the point of barely 18? Is 21 too old? Yes, because they want the idea of a child . And they try to make these girls  look younger, putting them in pig tails and school girl uniforms ,the pull is, you can be a pervert , but legally . The element they're after is the child appearance.

Age of consent in the US is 18. It was higher but lowered because 21 year olds were not as interested in joining the military as 18 year olds could be convinced to be.

Wrong. Age of consent varies by state. In Nevada, it happens to be 16. 

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Just now, Kasanova King said:

Wrong. Age of consent varies by state. In Nevada, it happens to be 16. 

Nevada is a home to legal prostitution and rhe whole place was set up and ran by crime families , criminals, stealing , killing , doing whatever , not exactly representative of all states in the country . Everyone here knows it's 18 and you know that . That's the cultural understanding.

stallone wasn't from Nevada, his cultural understanding woUld be to see her as a child , plus , what's a 40 year old man doing looking at kids ? You see teens and they look like children , are you telling me I'm the only one that looks at teens as cute little kids ? I doubt that .

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1 minute ago, Pishy said:

Nevada is a home to legal prostitution and rhe whole place was set up and ran by crime families , criminals, stealing , killing , doing whatever , not exactly representative of all states in the country . Everyone here knows it's 18 and you know that . That's the cultural understanding.

stallone wasn't from Nevada, his cultural understanding woUld be to see her as a child , plus , what's a 40 year old man doing looking at kids ? You see teens and they look like children , are you telling me I'm the only one that looks at teens as cute little kids ? I doubt that .

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Blue states mean age of consent is 16.  Brown is 17.  Green is 18.  As you can see, in at least 50% of the states in the U.S. the age of consent is 16.  The entire country of Canada is 16....darn pervs....:lol::P

  And since you're talking about culture, it was actually somewhat normal for 16-18 yearold girls to date guys older than them in the 70's and 80's....much more so than it is now.  Most groupies, even for your beloved GN'R were probably in their teens.  So when you're talking about the "groupie culture" it's somewhat normal.  I'm not saying I agree or disagree with it...I've always thought it was off, personally, even back then....but it is what it is.

 

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29 minutes ago, Kasanova King said:

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Blue states mean age of consent is 16.  Brown is 17.  Green is 18.  As you can see, in at least 50% of the states in the U.S. the age of consent is 16.  The entire country of Canada is 16....darn pervs....:lol::P

  And since you're talking about culture, it was actually somewhat normal for 16-18 yearold girls to date guys older than them in the 70's and 80's....much more so than it is now.  Most groupies, even for your beloved GN'R were probably in their teens.  So when you're talking about the "groupie culture" it's somewhat normal.  I'm not saying I agree or disagree with it...I've always thought it was off, personally, even back then....but it is what it is.

 

Beloved GnR? I wouldn't  know 99% of what I know now about GnR member's personal lives  if it wasn't for the csi agents in the women's thread . The last year has been a lot to digest, lol!  .I didn't know axl was wanted for rape until I read Adler's book last year . Then I read some other horrifying things in the women's thread. And yes , I'm disgusted . If you haven't noticed , a lot of long time listeners are not pleased with GnR for a number of reasons , image is largely shattered . 

I knew they had groupies but they were teens themselves and so were their groupies . I assumed they stayed about the same age. 

In the 60s and 70s, I think again they were the same age, college kids or kids hitchhiking around . In the 20s and 30s, yes there were married couples with significant age gaps . 

Canadian pervs ,goodness . The age of consent has also been changing unfortunately . And here is the thing , it means teen with teen not here is the age of consent , have at it old bastard .

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2 minutes ago, Pishy said:

Beloved GnR? I didn't know 99% of what I know now about GnR member's personal lives  if it wasn't for the csi agents in the women's thread . The last year has been a lot to digest, lol!  .I didn't know axl was wanted for rape until I read Adler's book last year . Then I read some other horrifying things in the women's thread. And yes , I'm disgusted . If you haven't noticed , a lot of long time listeners are not pleased with GnR for a number of reasons , image is largely shattered . 

I knew they had groupies but they were teens themselves and so were their groupies . I assumed they stayed about the same age. 

In the 60s and 70s, I think again they were the same age, college kids or kids hitchhiking around . In the 20s and 30s, yes there were married couples with significant age gaps . 

Canadian pervs ,goodness . The age of consent has also been changing unfortunately . And here is the thing , it means teen with teen not here is the age of consent , have at it old bastard .

GN'R were in their 20's in the mid 80's and most of the stories you hear about them happened in the mid 80's and later. :thumbsup:

I won't have at anything, not my thing.  I barely liked girls that age when I was 16....even then, I tended to prefer girls older than me.  Most of my girlfriends have been around my same age (give or take a couple of years in either direction)  throughout my life, thanks.  I think the biggest age gap was my son's mom, who was 25 when I was 29.

And age of consent means age of consent.  Laws vary by state....but usually, if they are legally independent (which they can be in some states) then they can consent themselves.  If they are still under a parent/guardian, then the guardian can sign a consent form for them.  But in reality, in most states, if the 16-17 year old says they consented, even without parent/guardian approval, that's usually good enough for the law...unless the parents/guardians decide to make a big deal of it and pursue it in court.  I worked at a grocery store with a 16 year old girl when I was 16.  She was dating a 24 year old.  I asked he about consent and she said her parents were ok with it, therefore it was legal.  It's much more common than you think...especially in suburban/rural areas. 

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Anyone read about Louis CK's scandal? I just did some "investigation" and that has to be the worst so far. He was asking coworkers to jerk off in front of them, some would say yes (2 women said they laughed at him while he did that even) and then he'd proceed and some would say no and then he would stop. And all that happened before 2005 when he was just one of the working actors/comedians/writers and not a powerhouse like he later became. 

I mean, it's as gross and creepy as it can be but where's the misconduct in there? 

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13 minutes ago, Nicklord said:

Anyone read about Louis CK's scandal? I just did some "investigation" and that has to be the worst so far. He was asking coworkers to jerk off in front of them, some would say yes (2 women said they laughed at him while he did that even) and then he'd proceed and some would say no and then he would stop. And all that happened before 2005 when he was just one of the working actors/comedians/writers and not a powerhouse like he later became. 

I mean, it's as gross and creepy as it can be but where's the misconduct in there? 

Yeah it's bizarre behavior but if they consented, then I don't think it's illegal.  I think people are just jumping on the bandwagon now.....and a lot of what is coming out now is just showing somewhat taboo or perverted behaviors....but not necessarily illegal. 

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2 minutes ago, Kasanova King said:

GN'R were in their 20's in the mid 80's and most of the stories you hear about them happened in the mid 80's and later. :thumbsup:

I won't have at anything, not my thing.  I barely liked girls that age when I was 16....even then, I tended to prefer girls older than me.  Most of my girlfriends have been around my same age (give or take a couple of years in either direction)  throughout my life, thanks.  I think the biggest age gap was my son's mom, who was 25 when I was 29.

And age of consent means age of consent.  Laws vary by state....but usually, if they are legally independent (which they can be in some states) then they can consent themselves.  If they are still under a parent/guardian, then the guardian can sign a consent form for them.  But in reality, in most states, if the 16-17 year old says they consented, even without parent/guardian approval, that's usually good enough for the law...unless the parents/guardians decide to make a big deal of it and pursue it in court.  I worked at a grocery store with a 16 year old girl when I was 16.  She was dating a 24 year old.  I asked he about consent and she said her parents were ok with it, therefore it was legal.  It's much more common than you think...especially in suburban/rural areas. 

I wasn't saying you personally have at it . 25 and 29 is ok, it's those early years when each year is like a decade in development . 

A lot of children in the US are forced to marry pervs by their parents . of course some don't care their kids are with grown men. A lot of shit parents out there .  

https://www.google.com/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/200000-children-married-us-15-years-child-marriage-child-brides-new-jersey-chris-christie-a7830266.html%3famp

 

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I was thinking y'know, all the old blues artists, I'm talking like Robert Johnson era and the eras in and around, they all knocked women about quite badly y'know by all accounts, or the vast majority of em.  There's stories in about it in most all their biographies.  Little Walter even wrote a song about it, Boom Boom Out Goes the Light about knocking his bird out if she's been putting it about.  They were most all of em drinkers and often violent drinkers.  Just saying. 

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22 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

Ron Jeremys being accused now...fuck me, you'd think he'd've had enough after a days graft.

Did you read some of what his accusers are saying?  This one might be the most bullshit of them all....

One woman said that she was invited to his place for a pornographic photo shoot...Jeremy then went to the bathroom with her...asked to see her ass, she pulls down her pants, bends over..so he penetrates her....then she told him no, so he stopped.  Then she said she decided to spend the night as his place after the alleged bathroom incident happened (lol) and is accusing him of raping her later that night as well.  GTFO.  When will women be held accountable for their actions and their decisions?  And it's obvious her story is horseshit btw.

 

 

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23 minutes ago, Kasanova King said:

Did you read some of what his accusers are saying?  This one might be the most bullshit of them all....

One woman said that she was invited to his place for a pornographic photo shoot...Jeremy then went to the bathroom with her...asked to see her ass....penetrated her....then she told him no, so he stopped.  Then she said she decided to spend the night as his place after the alleged bathroom incident happened (lol) and is accusing him of raping her later that night as well.  GTFO.  When will women be held accountable for their actions and their decisions?  And it's obvious her story is horseshit btw.

I don't like the way the way the arguments are framed.  You have the #believethevictims brigade and the sex assault apologists, you're either one or the other,  look at any of this shit with a degree of scepticism or even a critical eye (as you should with ALL such instances, this is why we have courts of law, this is why the Nazis were tried at fuckin' Nuremburg despite being blatantly fuckin' guilty, because apparently, we're a free and just society) then you find yourself on the arsehole end of the discussion.  To right minded grown ups you kinda look at each thing upon its merit, thats what I do anyway. 

Now me and you can read the above about the Ron Jeremy situation, if in fact what you've written is the story cuz i don't know I just saw a headline, I didn't read the article, if in fact that went down then, yeah, a lot of people are gonna take a dim view to that, especially based on the timing of it, but then the applicable principle is that a girl or a guy can consent tonight and then not want it tommorow...or even two minutes after you got done the first time and thats fair and just.  Its gonna invite a lot of scepticism though and legal, if say it happened yesterday and an accuser came forward, how would you prove like...I mean they can examine your shit and say that OK, 'x' happened but then if you consented the night before and then didn't in the morning then it becomes hard to prove.

Also, everyones surprised and shocked now in general right, 'omg, 'x' is a sex case!', i would've never thought that, as if its a surprise that they can be preadatory, i think there's a message in that alone, don't let yourself be surprised twice, don't let your be surprised a few decades later down the trough that some of these victims were preadatory too and you've fucked a bunch of innocent parties, if you'll excuse the expression.  Look at everything with an eye to justice, otherwise whats the point of all this.  

I don't doubt that Hollywood is full of fuckin' sleazy scumbags, quite frankly I'm a cynical boy and I sort of expect that shit and always have, if you've been out in the world long enough or worked in jobs dealing with the public (and I ain't talking about operating checkouts here, though I've done that too :lol: ) then believe me, over a long enough period you'll see fuckin' one of everything, most especially when people with money are involved but I think its important to guard against a tendency to follow a prescribed narrative here, like this is The Great Hollywood Sex Case Hunt, I mean one of the major take home lessons from this is to do with exploitation and people in positions of power exploiting people for their own gratification and/or advancement and thats a principle that works in more than the way of Hollywood big shots exploiting 'x' party that hits their radar.

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31 minutes ago, Kasanova King said:

Did you read some of what his accusers are saying?  This one might be the most bullshit of them all....

One woman said that she was invited to his place for a pornographic photo shoot...Jeremy then went to the bathroom with her...asked to see her ass, she pulls down her pants, bends over..so he penetrates her....then she told him no, so he stopped.  Then she said she decided to spend the night as his place after the alleged bathroom incident happened (lol) and is accusing him of raping her later that night as well.  GTFO.  When will women be held accountable for their actions and their decisions?  And it's obvious her story is horseshit btw.

Not sure what your argument is. Are you saying she couldn't have been raped later that night? Are you saying that porn stars can't be raped? Are you saying that 'consent' is a meaningless term if you are earning your life from fucking? I don't get your point. 

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2 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Not sure what your argument is. Are you saying she couldn't have been raped later that night? Are you saying that porn stars can't be raped? Are you saying that 'consent' is a meaningless term if you are earning your life from fucking? I don't get your point. 

I'm saying she wasn't raped that night and she is full of shit.  She's jumping on the bandwagon and coming out with bullshit accusations.  Who the hell would agree to stay over someone's house after they allegedly just sexually assaulted them in the bathroom? 

Entire story is bullshit.  

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1 minute ago, Kasanova King said:

I'm saying she wasn't raped that night and she is full of shit.  She's jumping on the bandwagon and coming out with bullshit accusations.  Who the hell would agree to stay over someone's house after they allegedly just sexually assaulted them in the bathroom? 

Maybe she thought the first incident in the bathroom was a misunderstanding and thought he wouldn't do anything worse? Maybe she is stupid? Maybe she was forced to stay? I don't know -- I haven't read anything about this beyond what you wrote -- and my ignorance on the details and context means I can't pass judgment on either her or him

I do see a trend now, though, where men, who might not be overly sympathetic to female victims of sexual harassment, take advantage of a lull in the #metoo campaigns momentum and where the novelty has worn off, to push back by attacking the alleged victims. I read this article about how the whole #metoo campaign is being ridiculed and trivialized in Russia because "men are supposed to do such things to women and women are supposed to fight back". I suppose that even in progressive western states there will be some men who share the sentiments of patriarchal Russian thinking. In the words of Trump: "Sad." As a sidenote, since I read the newspaper with my kids every morning, today I had to explain "sexual harassment" to my girls of 7 and 5. Another cruel aspect of humanity they knew nothing about.

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