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22 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Maybe she thought the first incident in the bathroom was a misunderstanding and thought he wouldn't do anything worse? Maybe she is stupid? Maybe she was forced to stay? I don't know -- I haven't read anything about this beyond what you wrote -- and my ignorance on the details and context means I can't pass judgment on either her or him

I do see a trend now, though, where men, who might not be overly sympathetic to female victims of sexual harassment, take advantage of a lull in the #metoo campaigns momentum and where the novelty has worn off, to push back by attacking the alleged victims. I read this article about how the whole #metoo campaign is being ridiculed and trivialized in Russia because "men are supposed to do such things to women and women are supposed to fight back". I suppose that even in progressive western states there will be some men who share the sentiments of patriarchal Russian thinking. In the words of Trump: "Sad." As a sidenote, since I read the newspaper with my kids every morning, today I had to explain "sexual harassment" to my girls of 7 and 5. Another cruel aspect of humanity they knew nothing about.

Or maybe some women are taking advantage of the mass media hype in regards to these cases and are coming out with false allegations, decades after they supposedly happened in order to get their 15 minutes of Fame and/or are doing it for monetary reasons. 

Not saying it's true in all cases...and I think a lot of the cases have merit.  But we, as a society, need to use common sense when separating fact from fiction . And even more so out of respect for the real victims...so that their cases don't become trivialized.

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2 minutes ago, Kasanova King said:

Or maybe some women are taking advantage of the mass media hype in regards to these cases and are coming out with false allegations, decades after they supposedly happened in order to get their 15 minutes of Fame and/or are doing it for monetary reasons. 

Me saying "I can't pass judgment on either him or her" means that I am open to the possibility she may be taking advantage of the current zeitgest to lie about what went down. My point is that I can't, based on so little information, unequivocally say she is lying. Which you are doing. 

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6 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Me saying "I can't pass judgment on either him or her" means that I am open to the possibility she may be taking advantage of the current zeitgest to lie about what went down. My point is that I can't, based on so little information, unequivocally say she is lying. Which you are doing. 

I'm not saying she is unequivocally lying.  But based on the information we have, it points to that.  Now, if more information were to come out, saying otherwise, then I would reconsider my opinion.  

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There were previous, official allegations of rape made against ron Jeremy . Apparently he also has a bad rep in the industry of using the fact he is a porn actor, to be overly aggressive and maul women . The article below gives a little more info 

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/inside-ron-jeremy-sexual-misconduct-allegations-w511844

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2 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

"I'm saying she wasn't raped that night and she is full of shit" suggests otherwise :lol: 

That's my opinion as of now, with the information we have...lol.  I could be wrong but usually if something smells like a rat, looks like a rat, acts like a rat...then it's usually a rat. :lol:

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19 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Then you are a Republican! :o

Sure...if Republicans support nationalized, single payer healthcare, better, common sense gun laws, better retirement benefits for seniors and maintaining current tax rates, then I guess I'm a Republican. 

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Add Russell Simmons, the man who at 40 years old, stalked a 17 year old high school girl, Kimora Lee. After she was no longer a child , he lost interest . 

One of the allegations being made now is by a model who stated that when she was 17, and Russel was 34, he forced her to perform sex acts /raped her.

Apparently Brett Ratner was present during some of the assaults and sometimes actively participated. Two sick losers .

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All these fuckin' guys and they can't think of a better way of pulling than just like...dropping their trousers in front of a bird, come ONNN!!.  I would've thought Charlie Rose would've been a right smoothie.  It is so easy to get some when you're famous, it truly is, it's not even that difficult if you're un-famous and you can hold down some semblence of conversation on a Saturday night, how repellent must your true personality be that you can't even fake it to come off like a human being long enough to pull even when you're fucking famous, people flock around these fuckin' guys.  I mean have you ever been in the club where fuckin' some football player is there or like, someone famous, the talent positively flocks around em!  To think of all the guys who have to like, embroider a little about themselves like 'yeah, i got a job in the city', these guys ACTUALLY do have a cool job, i don't care how hideous a fuckin' lump you are, surely like...I dunno, I'm sure I could do it and get laid just by association, bowl up to a bunch of birds 'this is my mate Harvey, he's a producer in Hollywood, ever see Pulp Fiction?  Yeah, that was him', I mean fair play you've gotta have your slag radar on but is it REALLY that fuckin' complicated? 

Its just fuckin' arrogance innit, thats got to be it, they do it in the way they do it not cuz its the only way they can get a shag but they just get off on the bullying aspect. 

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Hi guys. I've come in and read from time to time being weirded most of the times. Not accusing anyone, just observing. What it comes down to, in my eyes, the sexism, the bullying, the threads and the intimidation is: power game. In the patriarchy we all live in, it is the social, gender-hierachy that does the trick. Men are more powerful than women, even if they're not famous. Who is being doubted if she claimes to have been reaped? The female victim, not the - what's it called in english - the offender? The male is the norm and thus trustworthy. 

Anyway, it does come down to the bullying aspect. There's nothing wrong in liking women and trying to shag as much as you want. Just make sure they want it too, it really isn't that difficult. Women like sex, believe. What is terrible and demeaning und humiliating is when men get off on the bullying aspect. And also believe, every fucking women I know has experienced sexism, threads of her physical and mental integrity. It is not only the famous males that get off on bullying and it is not only the beautiful women that are being molested. It is every woman. And I do count in verbal humiliation, too. Because it fucking hurts and stops careers.

Cheers, and keep on.

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1 hour ago, Tori72 said:

Hi guys. I've come in and read from time to time being weirded most of the times. Not accusing anyone, just observing. What it comes down to, in my eyes, the sexism, the bullying, the threads and the intimidation is: power game. In the patriarchy we all live in, it is the social, gender-hierachy that does the trick. Men are more powerful than women, even if they're not famous. Who is being doubted if she claimes to have been reaped? The female victim, not the - what's it called in english - the offender? The male is the norm and thus trustworthy. 

Anyway, it does come down to the bullying aspect. There's nothing wrong in liking women and trying to shag as much as you want. Just make sure they want it too, it really isn't that difficult. Women like sex, believe. What is terrible and demeaning und humiliating is when men get off on the bullying aspect. And also believe, every fucking women I know has experienced sexism, threads of her physical and mental integrity. It is not only the famous males that get off on bullying and it is not only the beautiful women that are being molested. It is every woman. And I do count in verbal humiliation, too. Because it fucking hurts and stops careers.

Cheers, and keep on.

I agree with this 100% but the only thing that bugs me is how you have structured it as a very female-centric issue. What about all the boys that have been diddled by those in power in this sick industry? Their stories seem all but pushed aside imo...

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4 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

I was talking with a few girls in my class one day and one of them described being on the bus and some guy with tattoos got on, he didn't speak to her or even look at her, but she immediately had a vision of him suddenly grabbing her from behind and slicing her throat. Well, I burst into laughter lol. That is just so very, very extreme and unlikely. Plus that girl is really nice so I just can't imagine someone wanting to do that.

It isn't helpful or healthy to live in fear when most men aren't going to do anything like that and most understand the simple concept of consent.

What is the patriarchy?  

What exactly are you saying? Please google patriarchy.

You come across as pretty passive-agressive here. I'm not here to educate you or anyone. You all can google info and statistics and crime reports.

Bye.

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6 minutes ago, AxlRoseCDII said:

Don’t know if it’s been mentioned in this thread but Sylvester Stallone was recently accused of this. I do say I don’t think he would commit such a crime and his ex wife even spoke out to defend him. What do you guys think?

This was talked about earlier in the thread...one of the things that bugs me is that this woman (bc she is a woman now) was not the one who came forward with this..some reporter dug up the police report from 1986 or whatever, and splashed it everywhere... Maybe this woman did not want to think about this episode again or have her name broadcast everywhere? To me, that's like being violated all over again.  I don't know..it doesn't sound like there was a systemic pattern of using his power to molest women or we probably would have heard more..this was certainly a pervy/sleazy episode if true, but not necessarily non-consensual. I just think this reporter was out of line, women are voluntarily coming forward to speak up and that should be their choice, not someone else's.

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4 hours ago, Whiskey Rose said:

This was talked about earlier in the thread...one of the things that bugs me is that this woman (bc she is a woman now) was not the one who came forward with this..some reporter dug up the police report from 1986 or whatever, and splashed it everywhere... Maybe this woman did not want to think about this episode again or have her name broadcast everywhere? To me, that's like being violated all over again.  I don't know..it doesn't sound like there was a systemic pattern of using his power to molest women or we probably would have heard more..this was certainly a pervy/sleazy episode if true, but not necessarily non-consensual. I just think this reporter was out of line, women are voluntarily coming forward to speak up and that should be their choice, not someone else's.

I agree.  I think a lot of the cases may have merit.  But on the other hand, like in the situation you describe, it's the media creating stories for ratings/financial gain.  What's really tragic is that if this continues at this pace...with 1-2 new stories everyday, people will no longer be able to tell fact from fiction and it will dilute and trivialize the real reports and the real victims.  Pretty disturbing. 

And as this happens, some women could begin to believe that a guy that made a pass at them 20 years ago, at a night club, sexually harassed them.  Men around the world could soon be forced to get a woman's permission, in writing... before being allowed to start a discussion with them.  It's getting crazy folks.  :facepalm:

 

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3 hours ago, Kasanova King said:

And as this happens, some women could begin to believe that a guy that made a pass at them 20 years ago, at a night club, sexually harassed them.  Men around the world could soon be forced to get a woman's permission, in writing... before being allowed to start a discussion with them.  It's getting crazy folks.  :facepalm:

What has talking to a woman got to do with sexual harassment? Only people who don't know the difference would be worried about this slippery slope.

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4 hours ago, Kasanova King said:

I agree.  I think a lot of the cases may have merit.  But on the other hand, like in the situation you describe, it's the media creating stories for ratings/financial gain.  What's really tragic is that if this continues at this pace...with 1-2 new stories everyday, people will no longer be able to tell fact from fiction and it will dilute and trivialize the real reports and the real victims.  Pretty disturbing. 

And as this happens, some women could begin to believe that a guy that made a pass at them 20 years ago, at a night club, sexually harassed them.  Men around the world could soon be forced to get a woman's permission, in writing... before being allowed to start a discussion with them.  It's getting crazy folks.  :facepalm:

 

all i can say is, i'm glad i'm "off the streets" so to speak. I have found a lovely wife, we love each other, and i'm glad that task is done with. A task, yes. because that is exactly what it is these days.

How on earth are we supposed to "hit on" women these days, and at the same time take into consideration every nuance, body language, word choice, for it not to have a hint of harrassment.

How are you going to get the message across, without giving a hint of "harrassment". Telling a woman she's hot is already too much according to some people. Well yeah yeah. Whatever. if you think that, i suggest you go to the fridge and get a cold one. Get some of those ridiculous thoughts out of your fucking head. I'm out. Enjoy your accusations. Glad i'm out of that cesspool of poison.

Watch the world population go down rapidly though. Because, in case you didnt know, in order to get babies you need to have sweaty sex. *gasp!* the horror! he must be a filthy rapist! get him!

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12 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

I was talking with a few girls in my class one day and one of them described being on the bus and some guy with tattoos got on, he didn't speak to her or even look at her, but she immediately had a vision of him suddenly grabbing her from behind and slicing her throat. Well, I burst into laughter lol. That is just so very, very extreme and unlikely. Plus that girl is really nice so I just can't imagine someone wanting to do that.

It isn't helpful or healthy to live in fear when most men aren't going to do anything like that and most understand the simple concept of consent.

What is the patriarchy?  

I really don't get why you think you were not being passive aggressive? You must be kidding me. I was explaining from a woman's pov what sexism feels like. And I said that every woman I know experienced it.

What do you do? You come up with a reply telling me of a girl who told you she got scared of someone but then nothing happened. What does it even have to do with what I said? I had to be assuming you wanted to take the piss of my post, right? Sexism is not about being frightend without a reason as maybe this girl was. Sexism happens every day, how else do you explain yourself that every woman experiences it? How do you explain yourself the high number of rapes.

Ah yes, some of you guys here choose to not believe the statistics or anything that has been inestigated.

Most of the posters here even don't believe the statistics that every 5th women has been raped. That is just devestating. The numbers are very similar in my country too, by the way. You simply choose to not believe! I honestly can't get over that attitude. Some posters here made wild speculations on why women would do such a thing. Even though there are also well known examinations and the fact is that only 2 or 3 % of rape reports are fake. That leaves you with a fast 98% of true reports. You seem to not understand how misogynist it is to not believe someone when she - or he - has been raped. And you probably don't care.

So in a thread like this I posted what I posted and talked quite earnestly and get an answer to ridicule what I said. Yeah right, I just don't owe you anything in explanation why I think this is passive aggressive. Here I gave it to you anyway because I'm nice. You're welcome.

 

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1 hour ago, Oldest Goat said:

Now @SoulMonster is implying KK(and anyone who agrees with him) is probably akin to the predatory scum we've been discussing, just because he dares question this sensationalist line of 'thinking'.

No, I did not object to questioning sensationalist thinking, but to failing to understand that "talking with girls" is not the same as "sexual harassment". If KK doesn't realize that it is still okay to talk to women, then yes, he have a problem understanding what "sexual harassment" is. That does not mean I liken KK to "predatory scum", because I did not at all imply he would harass women, just that he seems oblivious to the differences between having a normal conversation with a girl that doesn't demean or objectify her, and actual sexual harassment. 

 

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7 hours ago, Kasanova King said:

And as this happens, some women could begin to believe that a guy that made a pass at them 20 years ago, at a night club, sexually harassed them.  Men around the world could soon be forced to get a woman's permission, in writing... before being allowed to start a discussion with them.  It's getting crazy folks.  :facepalm:

I think the solution is pretty simple. Men should adopt the same attitude towards women. If a chick hits on, touches or makes eyes at you - accuse them of sexual harassment. That might just snap people out of this automatic victim mentality and then maybe the real criminal wrongdoings could be given the attention it deserves.

 

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2 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

Pishy said that fucking a consenting 18yrld is the same thing as Sylvester Stallone taking advantage of and intimidating a 16yrld with his buddy. I disagreed. So then @classicrawker stumbled in, no doubt drunk or high, claiming that by disagreeing with that I was somehow condoning what Sylvester Stallone had done. The mind boggles, it really does. Fuck you, dude. He doesn't even have the decency to apologise. Pathetic.

I asked @Tori72 to explain what she meant by patriarchy and she told me that me doing so was passive aggressive and that she didn't owe me anything. Okaaaaaay? And @soon pats her on the back for this lol.

Now @SoulMonster is implying KK(and anyone who agrees with him) is probably akin to the predatory scum we've been discussing, just because he dares question this sensationalist line of 'thinking'.

They've given me the impression that they do not care at all about the feelings of those they are communicating with. That they don't care at all about critical thinking skills. That this miserable, very serious topic, is just a means for them to blunder about indulging themselves.

... or just another day at mygnr ;)

seriously, that's a lot of people to please and understand. as the saying goes "can't please them all". don't mind them. let's have a nice cup of common sense here; no one on here is condoning sexual harrasment. the fact that some people think you or me are, only goes to highlight the lunacy even more.

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