Towelie Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 I always felt like something was a bit "off" with this album, but I've been re-evaluating it lately, and there's some quality shit on there. What baffles me is how songs like Messages and Gas And A Dollar Laugh never made the main album tracklist, when dross like Just Sixteen and She Mine did. I think if VR had put the album out with this tracklist (below), it would've given Contraband a serious run for its money. I have removed She Mine, Get Out The Door, Just Sixteen, Pills Demons Etc and Gravedancer (which sounds like a less inspired rip-off of Fall To Pieces) and replaced them with some of the superior outtakes. Let It Roll Gas And A Dollar Laugh She Drives Quick Machines The Last Fight American Man Mary Mary Messages For A Brother Spay Can't Get It Out Of My Head Pyscho Killer Don't Drop That Dime 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOfTheWave Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Slash and Scott are amazing on The Last Fight and Messages. Scott's right from heart lyrics and Slash's bluesy playing went hand and hand perfectly. Shame it all went the way it did. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gracii Guns Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 I'm giving this a relisten while I'm at work and I'll feed back with my thoughts later. Thanks for reminding me about it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Libertad was a fine album i though, good solid little rocker, benefited from being a little more polished and less of a metalist racket like Contraband, which was never GnRs (or Gnr ladses) forte anyway, despite their insistant clinging to it. Thats why they could never be The Stones, they never had their ear for good music to be inspired by. Well, that and an insurmountable gulf in talent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appetite4illusions Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 In retrospect, Slash and the boys should have let Pharell produce the album like Scott desperately wanted. Couldn't have been any worse, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gracii Guns Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 I prefer it to Contraband, but aren't fussed enough to want to mess around with the track listing. I was never that into VR anyway. Scott Weiland could really write a lyric though. I'm going through a bereavement at the moment, and The Last Fight did pull my heartstrings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 I liked it at the time. I preferred it to Contraband. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Only songs I would remove are She Mine and Spay. Replacing them with Massages and Money would be a huge improvement. Gravedancer is one of the best songs on this record. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 I rather liked She's Mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Dog Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 I like She Mine too. American Man and Last Fight are a couple of great songs. Although I'm a big fan of Contraband, I'd say I like Libertad better. Good album. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimezy Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Surely keep get out the door sick album just could of done with a better production, a third album would of turned out well i reckon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Ass Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 I always felt that Contraband was to "GnR"ish for STP fans and Libertad was too "STP"ish for Guns fans.. Loved them both better at different times. Now I just consider them both tragically underrated albums... Really not a song in the bunch... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janrichmond Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said: Really not a song in the bunch... did you mean not a *bad* song in the bunch? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Ass Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, janrichmond said: did you mean not a *bad* song in the bunch? Happy Thanksgiving from the other side of the Pond Started Early!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Matinator Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 I'm glad in hindsight a lot of people appreciate this album, loved it when it came out & it's always been a favorite of mine. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvH Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Combining Libertad and Contraband gives you a pretty strong album. Lots of filler on both, but the best tracks are quite good. The production and the mastering are totally awful, though. Compressed mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intercourse Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 On 11/9/2017 at 8:31 AM, Towelie said: I always felt like something was a bit "off" with this album, but I've been re-evaluating it lately, and there's some quality shit on there. What baffles me is how songs like Messages and Gas And A Dollar Laugh never made the main album tracklist, when dross like Just Sixteen and She Mine did. I think if VR had put the album out with this tracklist (below), it would've given Contraband a serious run for its money. I have removed She Mine, Get Out The Door, Just Sixteen, Pills Demons Etc and Gravedancer (which sounds like a less inspired rip-off of Fall To Pieces) and replaced them with some of the superior outtakes. Let It Roll Gas And A Dollar Laugh She Drives Quick Machines The Last Fight American Man Mary Mary Messages For A Brother Spay Can't Get It Out Of My Head Pyscho Killer Don't Drop That Dime An "off" album indeed, real hints of magic but overshadowed by some tragic omissions like Messages and Gas And A Dollar Laugh along with real quality tunes bumped down the list for some pretty weak, dialed in vocal driven tunes like American Man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LikeADog93 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 To me, this album just isn’t very good. I didn’t care for it when it first came out, and over the years I’ve given it second and third chances, and I still don’t care for it. Last Fight, For A Brother, and Spay are good songs, but that’s about all I like from it. Mary Mary is just flat out horrible and She Mine and Just Sixteen are pretty cringey as well. Contraband is one of my favorite albums so I had high hopes for the follow up, so I was very disappointed with Libertad. I still can’t understand how a band with so much talent was capable of making such a poor record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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