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IZZY STRADLIN (and MATT SORUM) show up at movie festival in Palm Springs

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14 minutes ago, ludurigan said:

i love reading THE TRUTH

 

3 minutes ago, ludurigan said:

Yeah you didnt see because you dont know shit about GNR and you dont know shit about IZZY and you completely IGNORE that there are several thngs "pointing at Izzy wanting to tour" including MARC CANTER in this very forum!

Hey, but what is the problem is coming here and spread very-bad-informed opinions as if it was THE TRUTH?

Aint that super FUN?

I love people who know SO LITTLE about something and come to forums and post their VERY LIMITED KNOWLEDGE of the facts as if it was THE TRUTH

Please keep on doing that, its so fun! 

Please knock it off with this TRUTH stuff. It's becoming very repetitive and verging on derailing. This is a forum, people are debating and sharing their opinions and nobody is insisting they know the inner workings of GNR.

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Remember this Stradlin and Matt track? Would be curious to get Salas for one too.  Sorry if this is the wrong thread to discuss this :P

 

I actually feel that Matt's main beat, that comes in at the start, is a bit rudimentary.  They find 'the pocket' in very different places, Izzy wasnt kidding that they arent well suited to one another.  But it all works out and the song is still great.  Love Matts tom tom section!

 

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1 hour ago, alfierose said:

Please knock it off with this TRUTH stuff. It's becoming very repetitive and verging on derailing. This is a forum, people are debating and sharing their opinions and nobody is insisting they know the inner workings of GNR.

Ain't that the truth.

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2 hours ago, Zoot said:

Do you truly believe that is what he asked for? a 25% split each? Why would he do that when they never got paid that way from the beginning? Also, do you really think a 5 figure fee (rumored) is a fair offer to a founding member of the band? Can you not see how insulting that must've been to Izzy? Especially when Melissa, Frank, Fortus and Dizzy are getting so much more?

And if Izzy is playing the victim, lying and manipulating the situation to make the big 3 look bad, why would they let him get away with that? Do you really think Axl of all people would stay quiet when accusations are being thrown around daily that he chose money over his childhood friend? There is no way he would. He'd be calling Izzy out every chance he got if he truly had done nothing wrong.

I understand your point of view. But your theories just don't fit in with the big 3's behavior over the past two years.

The only place where he´s being accused that he chose money over his childhood friend is here and even here the amount of people that believe in this shitty is limited to a small portion of a small group of Izzy fans. And it´s not daily :shrugs:

So why would he bother himself making a statement on the subject if even Izzy deleted the message? And Izzy was very especific on that twitter "They didn't want to split the loot equally. Simple as that."...Assuming that what Izzy said is true,what would they have to say about it? 

And about that " 5 figure fee (rumored)" only a tiny little amount of Izzy fans are desperately trying to make this nonsense sound like something plausible for from there to base their guesswork and then stay at peace with their minds...But most people don´t even consider this as rumor.

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2 hours ago, Zoot said:

Do you truly believe that is what he asked for? a 25% split each? Why would he do that when they never got paid that way from the beginning? Also, do you really think a 5 figure fee (rumored) is a fair offer to a founding member of the band? Can you not see how insulting that must've been to Izzy? Especially when Melissa, Frank, Fortus and Dizzy are getting so much more?

And if Izzy is playing the victim, lying and manipulating the situation to make the big 3 look bad, why would they let him get away with that? Do you really think Axl of all people would stay quiet when accusations are being thrown around daily that he chose money over his childhood friend? There is no way he would. He'd be calling Izzy out every chance he got if he truly had done nothing wrong.

I understand your point of view. But your theories just don't fit in with the big 3's behavior over the past two years.

Well he tweeted that they didn't want to "split the loot equally", so doesn't that suggest he wanted equal "loot" to them? 

For whatever reason the big 3 seem to be keeping their opinions to themselves. Even Axl's answer about Izzy was pretty much a non-answer. Because of that, it's not surprising they wouldn't run right to the internet or the media to dispute a tweet the majority of people didn't see or know existed. 

And what are the big 3's "behavior" the past 2 years? Because this entire thing seems to be going very well and being met with great response by the vast majority. 

 

2 hours ago, ludurigan said:

i love reading THE TRUTH

You can say it sarcastically all you want but Alder being an obnoxious, unreliable drug addict and Izzy being a free spirit who doesn't like to be tied down to commitments actually is the truth.

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13 minutes ago, Modano09 said:

You can say it sarcastically all you want but Alder being an obnoxious, unreliable drug addict and Izzy being a free spirit who doesn't like to be tied down to commitments actually is the truth.

Your statments are pretty much false and defamatory. Steven has kept away from hard drugs for various years and has not fallen off the wagon. 

 

There is zero indication that Izzy lacks any sort of commitment once he's dialed into something. 

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49 minutes ago, Derick said:

The only place where he´s being accused that he chose money over his childhood friend is here and even here the amount of people that believe in this shitty is limited to a small portion of a small group of Izzy fans. And it´s not daily :shrugs:

So why would he bother himself making a statement on the subject if even Izzy deleted the message? And Izzy was very especific on that twitter "They didn't want to split the loot equally. Simple as that."...Assuming that what Izzy said is true,what would they have to say about it? 

And about that " 5 figure fee (rumored)" only a tiny little amount of Izzy fans are desperately trying to make this nonsense sound like something plausible for from there to base their guesswork and then stay at peace with their minds...But most people don´t even consider this as rumor.

21 minutes ago, Modano09 said:

Well he tweeted that they didn't want to "split the loot equally", so doesn't that suggest he wanted equal "loot" to them? 

For whatever reason the big 3 seem to be keeping their opinions to themselves. Even Axl's answer about Izzy was pretty much a non-answer. Because of that, it's not surprising they wouldn't run right to the internet or the media to dispute a tweet the majority of people didn't see or know existed. 

And what are the big 3's "behavior" the past 2 years? Because this entire thing seems to be going very well and being met with great response by the vast majority.

I was talking about their behavior towards Izzy.

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Honestly, you guys are exhausting. You make a false claim... somebody debunks it... then you respond to that with another random false claim that has nothing to do with the current conversation... That gets debunked and so on and so forth... It just goes on and on...

Believe what you want I guess but I'm not going to keep going around in circles with you two. :shrugs:

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16 minutes ago, double talkin jive mfkr said:

Your statments are pretty much false and defamatory. Steven has kept away from hard drugs for various years and has not fallen off the wagon. 

 

There is zero indication that Izzy lacks any sort of commitment once he's dialed into something. 

Well he was off the wagon in 2013 and has been on and off it enough that I wouldn't have my multi-million dollar two year world tour relying on him either.

And there's zero indication that a two year world tour was something Izzy would commit to. 

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Just now, Zoot said:

I was talking about their behavior towards Izzy.

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Honestly, you guys are exhausting. You make a false claim... somebody debunks it... then you respond to that with another random false claim that has nothing to do with the current conversation... That gets debunked and so on and so forth... It just goes on and on...

Believe what you want I guess but I'm not going to keep going around in circles with you two. :shrugs:

And what's their behavior towards Izzy? 

What's been debunked? As far as the money goes, we're basically down to "well they should have given him an equal share because he wanted it". Which isn't in any way logical, so that's out.  As far as being reliable, well, he had to play 23 shows with GNR in 2006 and apparently they didn't know if he'd show up, stay the whole show or remember the songs night to night, so, maybe they just didn't think he was up for a 2 year world tour? The whole point is that this isn't the big 3 dicking the other 2 for no good reason. 

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54 minutes ago, Modano09 said:

And there's zero indication that a two year world tour was something Izzy would commit to. 

Zero indication that he wouldn't either.

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12 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Zero indication that he wouldn't either.

Except everything that's said about his personality, his history since leaving GNR, and Axl's take on him playing with GNR in 2006. 

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1 hour ago, Modano09 said:

 

You can say it sarcastically all you want but Alder being an obnoxious, unreliable drug addict and Izzy being a free spirit who doesn't like to be tied down to commitments actually is the truth.

thats what you believe

no one here knows the truth

hey, but please never stop spreading THE TRUTH
 

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3 minutes ago, Modano09 said:

Except everything that's said about his personality, his history since leaving GNR, and Axl's take on him playing with GNR in 2006. 

and you believed it all

 

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Just now, Modano09 said:

Except everything that's said about his personality, his history since leaving GNR, and Axl's take on him playing with GNR in 2006. 

The first thing the guy did when 'leaving GN'R'' was to record an album then go on a world tour! In fact Izzy was almost permanently gigging 1983-1993, and ''on the road'' 1987-93. He began playing clubs with some transvestite band and Hollywood Rose, and ended that period doing a world tour with the Ju Ju Hounds. The guy spent about ten years of his live playing shows! 

Certainly, he is no Slash - Slash would probably visibly decay if he wasn't playing live - but then Rose didn't tour between 1994 - 2001. Izzy played some shows in Japan during the period Rose was twiddling with overdubs.

If Izzy first wanted to play and secondly signed the contract to play, I have no doubts he'd fulfill that contract. 

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1 hour ago, Modano09 said:

Except everything that's said about his personality, his history since leaving GNR, and Axl's take on him playing with GNR in 2006. 

Didn't Izzy himself stated that he would be open for a GNR reunion since he wrote a lot of the music?

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NITL Tour must continue as soon as possible. People are bored around here.

10 pages debating about Sorum and Izzy just show there is nothing interesting to talk about. 

What’s next? Pittman’s shoes?

let’s talk about Axl, Slash, Fortus, Duff... you know, relevant musicians and artists.

 

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1 hour ago, Sunset Boulevard said:

let’s talk about Axl, Slash, Fortus, Duff... you know, relevant musicians and artists.

Fortus is not relevant.

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1 hour ago, Sunset Boulevard said:

NITL Tour must continue as soon as possible. People are bored around here.

10 pages debating about Sorum and Izzy just show there is nothing interesting to talk about. 

What’s next? Pittman’s shoes?

let’s talk about Axl, Slash, Duff... you know, relevant musicians and artists.

 

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27 minutes ago, RONIN said:

Let's also not forget that if Izzy signed a contract to join the NITL tour, he would be hit with a massive lawsuit if he decided not to show up. A tour of that magnitude more than likely has ironclad contracts. For god sakes, you have Axl showing up on time and not skipping a show for the first time ever in 2016. No cancellations because his fingernail hurts or his psychic's crystal ball told him to stay home and watch tv. Could it be because he's  kept on a legal short leash w/ potentially severe financial repercussions? Stradlin cared more about showing up on time and giving the fans a better show than anyone in the original band if anyone is bothered to read the multitude of Illusion era interviews. Anyone remember the one about how he wanted the band to learn covers so that they could cover when King Axl ran away to have a meltdown offstage during shows - and Duff/Slash were too wasted to even learn new covers? And this is the guy those three are saying is too unreliable for a world tour?

Who cares what Axl Rose has to say about Izzy? What credibility does that guy have to speak about someone being flaky and a risk for not showing up to a show? Based on what? Izzy showed up for all his GnR shows. Did Axl? Those are the facts since everyone here loves facts over conjecture. Izzy doesn't skip shows or cost promoters money. Axl does. End of story. So if he says Izzy is flaky, it doesn't mean shit. Slash is a proven liar. And I'm less inclined to believe Duff these days - his Jericho interview where he backpedals on Izzy's importance to the band only proves that he's parroting Axl's agenda. 

He's "unreliable" because almost 30 years ago he decided it wasn't for him and has liked to pick and chose his shots since. The way Izzy is described has been consistent and nobody says it in a negative way. It's just how he is. So I don't see why people insist on denying that he is how everyone close to him describes him as being. 

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5 hours ago, Free Bird said:

Didn't Izzy himself stated that he would be open for a GNR reunion since he wrote a lot of the music?

On 10/01/2018 at 5:38 PM, RONIN said:

Why not just say that he's semi-retired instead of saying publicly for the last decade that he'd love to do a GnR reunion?

@RONIN Can you, please, tell us where and when Izzy maked all those publicly statements?

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