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51 minutes ago, action said:

i hate the Wii with a passion and would burn the thing.... but wii bowling is the only videogame, ever that i got my wife to play. my wife wouldnt touch video games with a ten feel stick, but wii bowling, man.... it sparked something in her. she has never played a video game ever since, but for as short as her experience with it was, somehow she "got" why i like video games so much, and she tolerated my hobby because of it.

and so, i keep my Wii and the stupid Wii sports. it saved my gaming ass and it paved the way for the switch in our living room. little things like that get me a bit emotional.

If you wade through all of the shovelware shite on the Wii, there are some fantastic, proper games on it.

Also, the only machine to my knowledge to get grannies gaming. :lol:

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3 hours ago, bucketfoot said:

You seem to be a big Nintendo fan, would you class the Wii motion controls as gimmicky? Or innovative? Whatever it was, it worked and then some.

Yes, the motion controls WERE/ARE a gimmick. That's why I never owned a Wii.

2 hours ago, -W.A.R- said:

The PS2 may be the GOAT console.

Thats pretty good for a glorified DVD player :P             

Wrong. I would put the NES, SNES, and Genesis ALL above the DVD machine.

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3 hours ago, ZoSoRose said:

I loved Halo 4. Still do, I know I'm weird. Hated 5 :(

Wtf, Mikey lol

You gotta understand I'm only half serious. Yes, I DO give Sony 50% of the blame for the fall of Sega. The other 50% belongs to Sega themselves. 

I've just been reading quite a bit of Switch hate lately on this forum (but mostly elsewhere) and they all seem to share one key ingredient, they are Sony fans. Sony fanboys are THREATENED by the Switch. They thought they had this generation on lock (because Xbox one hasn't been selling as good). Then along came the little Nintendo device (that most Sony fanboys couldn't imagine it challenging their beloved PS4) and it's OUTSELLING everyone, by a fairly large margin. So they are outraged, and as a result go on antiMario bashing fests. Me, as a long time gamer here (been gaming since Atari was king) saw the rise and fall of Sega, and saw the direct role Sony played in that. So ya, I'm calling them out. What you have to remember is that Sony DID win the N64, PS1, and Saturn era, but like I mentioned their games have aged the WORST from that era. So it's hardly a clear cut win. Same goes for the PS2, Xbox, GC, and Dreamcast era. Yes Sony won by sales, but it was partly due to it being a DVD machine, and again their games have aged the WORST from that era. So again, it's not a clear cut victory. 360 mopped the floor with the PS3, so Sony lost that era. So they felt like they had this generation on lock, but then came the Switch. So they are afraid of it, because if Nintendo wins this era (which looks like they will) then Sony ISN'T the powerhouse their fans like to claim they are.

But really this all stems out of boredom, the wife won't let me play the Switch!!!

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34 minutes ago, Iron MikeyJ said:

and again their games have aged the WORST from that era.

Off the top of my head,

ICO/Shadow Of The Colossus

God Of War

Metal Gear

Kingdom Hearts

Devil May Cry

Jak and Daxter

Ratchet and Clank

Final Fantasy

Resi 4 and the countless other brilliant survival horror games, PS2 was easily the best machine for these

Okami

Killer 7

GTA series

Beyond Good & Evil

I could do a much longer list but can't be arsed.

C'mon mate, these games have aged badly? They're classics.

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3 hours ago, bucketfoot said:

Off the top of my head,

ICO/Shadow Of The Colossus

God Of War

Metal Gear

Kingdom Hearts

Devil May Cry

Jak and Daxter

Ratchet and Clank

Final Fantasy

Resi 4 and the countless other brilliant survival horror games, PS2 was easily the best machine for these

Okami

Killer 7

GTA series

Beyond Good & Evil

I could do a much longer list but can't be arsed.

C'mon mate, these games have aged badly? They're classics.

Honestly, yes, most of these games have aged poorly. Yes they were great in THEIR day, but that's not how I define a classic. A classic is if the game is STILL played and popular years after its release. I love NBA 2k games, but each year a new one replaces the older one, making the older one obsolete. I would say the vast majority of these you mentioned fall into THAT category. Take The GTA series for example, GTA 2 was great in its day, but does anybody STILL want to play that game? No. Then it's NOT a classic. Same with Devil May Cry, doed the original really hold up today?

For sake of argument I'll give you FF and Kingdom Hearts. Those seem to have pretty loyal fans, even though they don't really appeal to me. Resident Evil? Nope. Why? The definitive version of THAT game is the GameCube version, not the PS1 version. Perhaps Resident Evil 2 could be considered a classic (because to my knowledge they haven't redone it yet) but again, wasn't that a PS1 game, not a PS2 game? We are talking PS2 here. 

When you think of a classic game, it HAS to be able to hold up years and decades later. Every Zelda game is a classic, every Mario game is a classic, Mike Tysons Punch Out is a classic, Metroid is a classic, Contra, Sonic, Double Dragon, etc. These ARE classics.

Even the Xbox only has one, but the Halo series IS a classic. The original Halo and Halo 2 for the OG Xbox STILL hold up better than any of these games you mentioned. 

Heck I can even dig into GameCube and name games that hold up SO much better than PS2 games do. Rogue Leader for example, is STILL an amazing game 15 years plus later. Not to mention the Mario, Zelda, and Metroid games released on that system. 

 

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46 minutes ago, Iron MikeyJ said:

Resident Evil? Nope. Why? The definitive version of THAT game is the GameCube version, not the PS1 version. Perhaps Resident Evil 2 could be considered a classic (because to my knowledge they haven't redone it yet) but again, wasn't that a PS1 game, not a PS2 game? We are talking PS2 here.

It was Resident Evil 4 that I mentioned, you don't consider that a classic? Yes it came out on the Gamecube first but the PS2 port had extra content so it's debatable which is the definitive version, but to suggest it's not a classic is ludicrous.

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18 minutes ago, bucketfoot said:

It was Resident Evil 4 that I mentioned, you don't consider that a classic? Yes it came out on the Gamecube first but the PS2 port had extra content so it's debatable which is the definitive version, but to suggest it's not a classic is ludicrous.

Hey man, it's all good. 👍😃

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14 hours ago, Iron MikeyJ said:

Honestly, yes, most of these games have aged poorly. Yes they were great in THEIR day, but that's not how I define a classic. A classic is if the game is STILL played and popular years after its release. I love NBA 2k games, but each year a new one replaces the older one, making the older one obsolete. I would say the vast majority of these you mentioned fall into THAT category. Take The GTA series for example, GTA 2 was great in its day, but does anybody STILL want to play that game? No. Then it's NOT a classic. Same with Devil May Cry, doed the original really hold up today?

For sake of argument I'll give you FF and Kingdom Hearts. Those seem to have pretty loyal fans, even though they don't really appeal to me. Resident Evil? Nope. Why? The definitive version of THAT game is the GameCube version, not the PS1 version. Perhaps Resident Evil 2 could be considered a classic (because to my knowledge they haven't redone it yet) but again, wasn't that a PS1 game, not a PS2 game? We are talking PS2 here. 

When you think of a classic game, it HAS to be able to hold up years and decades later. Every Zelda game is a classic, every Mario game is a classic, Mike Tysons Punch Out is a classic, Metroid is a classic, Contra, Sonic, Double Dragon, etc. These ARE classics.

Even the Xbox only has one, but the Halo series IS a classic. The original Halo and Halo 2 for the OG Xbox STILL hold up better than any of these games you mentioned. 

Heck I can even dig into GameCube and name games that hold up SO much better than PS2 games do. Rogue Leader for example, is STILL an amazing game 15 years plus later. Not to mention the Mario, Zelda, and Metroid games released on that system. 

 

This is all subjective, though. Tons of Sony games are considered to be classics and have aged well to many people. My gf is going through the PS2 God of War games and they seem to hold off juat fine. I've been with Xbox since the original one and I'll be the first to admit Playstation has way more high quality exclusives

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1 hour ago, ZoSoRose said:

This is all subjective, though. Tons of Sony games are considered to be classics and have aged well to many people. My gf is going through the PS2 God of War games and they seem to hold off juat fine. I've been with Xbox since the original one and I'll be the first to admit Playstation has way more high quality exclusives

It's all good man. As I said earlier, I'm only half serious. I was bored because I wanted to play the Switch (but my wife had it). So I thought I would share my personal feelings on the matter, get a "hot" video game thread going, if you know what I mean.

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28 minutes ago, Iron MikeyJ said:

It's all good man. As I said earlier, I'm only half serious. I was bored because I wanted to play the Switch (but my wife had it). So I thought I would share my personal feelings on the matter, get a "hot" video game thread going, if you know what I mean.

Well it seems to be one of the most active game threads in some time

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1 minute ago, ZoSoRose said:

Well it seems to be one of the most active game threads in some time

Mission accomplished, lol.

In reality I don't really care what system people choose. 

I'm not really a die hard fanboy of ANY company. Yes Sony is my LEAST favorite (hence this thread). But if I were to name my favorite companies that made consoles it would go like this:

1. Nintendo (Nostolgia is a powerful drug, but the only consoles I think they made this century that are any good are the Switch and the Gamecube)

2. Sega (Long live the house that Sonic built)

3. Atari (I STILL love me some 2600 and 7800 games)

4. Neo Geo (I HIGHLY recommend people go back and play some of these games, really great stuff)

5. Microsoft (on the fence with them at times, but the OG Xbox and 360 were great systems)

6. Turbo grafix 16/ PC Engine (a system that tends to get over looked. It's not amazing, but was pretty solid none the less)

7. Sony...

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Blaming any system/company for the death of a competitor is absurd.

PS2 dominated because of the games that weren't available on other systems.  Gran Turismo, the Grand Theft Auto series (III, Vice City), Metal Gear Solid, God of War, Kingdom Hearts II, and countless others.   The PS2 appealed to an aging demographic that wanted something more mature.  Personally, I only purchased a PS2 to play Vice City and later San Andreas.  I never used it much to play DVDs.

Other than the Shenmue series, which if we're being honest, had a more limited audience in North America than in Japan, the Dreamcast wasn't blessed with revolutionary and iconic IPs.  Sonic, Sega's flagship character, was done a serious disservice on the Dreamcast.  There are countless reasons why the Dreamcast failed, but to blame Sony because it included a DVD player is utter nonsense.   

Also, FYI, the PS2 was launched in NA in late October of 2000.  The Dreamcast was abandoned three months later in January, 2001.  The console was done even before the PS2 really got going (Sony only sold about one to 1.5 million by the end of 2000 because of production issues).  

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Your selling the Dreamcast short. It gave birth to the 2K basketball and football series (before EA got scared snd demanded Madden be the ONLY football game). To sports fans, the dreamcast was the system that gave birth to modern sports games. I personally value THAT over anything Playstation has EVER done. 

You just like arguing with me @downzy. But as I said before, I'm not emotionally invested in this topic, just creating a "fun" thread. Are you going to argue with me about Lego next? 😃👍

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2 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

Wasn't the Dreamcast the first online console?

man, i remember buy a dreamcast, and it came with an internet install CD. and the total internet noob that i was, i read on the package "all you need to do to access the internet is put this CD in your dreamcast and connect it to a telephone socket!!" needless to say that didnt work out without a provider. :lol:

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12 hours ago, Iron MikeyJ said:

Your selling the Dreamcast short. It gave birth to the 2K basketball and football series (before EA got scared snd demanded Madden be the ONLY football game). To sports fans, the dreamcast was the system that gave birth to modern sports games. I personally value THAT over anything Playstation has EVER done. 

You just like arguing with me @downzy. But as I said before, I'm not emotionally invested in this topic, just creating a "fun" thread. Are you going to argue with me about Lego next? 😃👍

I have to dispute your contention that the Dreamcast was the system that gave birth to modern sports games.  Regardless of what you think of them, EA Sports was dominant in this sector long before 2K Sports became a thing.  I do think that games like 2K Football revolutionized the genre, but it's a stretch that it marked the beginning of modern sports gaming.  

I just don't understand why you titled this thread as "Sony Sucks" when it was Sega that made a consul that failed to catch with the public.  Sega was already losing hundreds of millions of dollars on the Dreamcast a year before the PS2 was even available.  It missed badly on sales targets despite having a year with zero competition in the next gen space.    They couldn't even sell the consul despite offering substantial discounts and massive PS2 supply shortage  

Shouldn't this title be called "Sega Sucks" since they failed to succeed with a console you deem superior to the PS2?

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at the time, the DVD player was a huge selling point of the PS2 (but remember, the XBOX was also able to play DVD's). you have to consider, back then DVD's were a real novelty. VHS was still very much present in media outlets. DVD players were goddamn expensive, and it was all kind of "elitist".

that surely changed with the arrival of the PS2. A huge part of the appeal was the DVD player. It eventually came with a bloody remote, and i still remember the Terminator 3 DVD - PS2 pack in that was the dog's bollox. hell, the PS2 even "looked" like a DVD player, and a big marketing tactic was to show it next to your home-cinema system.

The XBOX could play DVD's too, but you needed a special adapter for it to work, and to be real, a PS2 looks better next to your TV and CD player than the clunky XBOX (though that is subjective).

and of course, no body ever bought their PS2's to watch porn DVD's. :ph34r: we will conveniently ignore the explosive expansion of the porn DVD market around the time the PS2 arrived, and we will also completely forget the big deal it was when rumours emerged that sony would ban porn DVD's on the PS2.

..... anyway....

yeah, having the DVD on the PS2 really was a big fucking deal, and the omission of DVD on the gamecube really hurt that system in the end

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8 hours ago, downzy said:

I have to dispute your contention that the Dreamcast was the system that gave birth to modern sports games.  Regardless of what you think of them, EA Sports was dominant in this sector long before 2K Sports became a thing.  I do think that games like 2K Football revolutionized the genre, but it's a stretch that it marked the beginning of modern sports gaming.  

WRONG. 

EA Sports with Madden and NBA Live CREATED the video game sports industry, but they DID NOT bring it into the modern era, 2k did. Before Madden and NBA Live, video game sports were mostly a novelty idea, but not a real viable industry. Even beloved games that predate EA like Techmo Bowl, it was really more of a novelty game in its day, not a full on "hit". It wasn't until the 90s that the sports genre took off, and that WAS due to Madden and NBA Live (with NBA Jam from Activision also). But those games were hits in the 16 bit and 32 bit eras. It was 2K THAT really brought sports games properly into the modern era, they were the first 3D sports games that REALLY did the sports justice. Sure Madden 64 on the N64 tried, but it was a VERY flawed game. NBA 2k (the first one) was SO MUCH different than ANY other sports game before it, than 2K followed that up with NFL 2k. They had Allen Iverson and Randy Moss as cover athletes, so they REALLY spoke to the generation at that time as well. EA was rushing to try and keep up with 2K, and was VERY threatened by them. Honestly to this day, NO NBA Live game has been able to compete with 2k basketball. Madden STILLS reigns supreme in football, but again that's because they made a deal making them the only football game available. Had 2K been able to keep making football games, THEY would be the kings also imo. EA admitted defeat in basketball (they even stopped making NBA Live for a number of years, until this past year), and Madden would of had a similar fate imo. 

So again, how exactly did 2k NOT bring sports games into the modern 3D era? 

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11 minutes ago, Iron MikeyJ said:

WRONG. 

EA Sports with Madden and NBA Live CREATED the video game sports industry, but they DID NOT bring it into the modern era, 2k did. Before Madden and NBA Live, video game sports were mostly a novelty idea, but not a real viable industry. Even beloved games that predate EA like Techmo Bowl, it was really more of a novelty game in its day, not a full on "hit". It wasn't until the 90s that the sports genre took off, and that WAS due to Madden and NBA Live (with NBA Jam from Activision also). But those games were hits in the 16 bit and 32 bit eras. It was 2K THAT really brought sports games properly into the modern era, they were the first 3D sports games that REALLY did the sports justice. Sure Madden 64 on the N64 tried, but it was a VERY flawed game. NBA 2k (the first one) was SO MUCH different than ANY other sports game before it, than 2K followed that up with NFL 2k. They had Allen Iverson and Randy Moss as cover athletes, so they REALLY spoke to the generation at that time as well. EA was rushing to try and keep up with 2K, and was VERY threatened by them. Honestly to this day, NO NBA Live game has been able to compete with 2k basketball. Madden STILLS reigns supreme in football, but again that's because they made a deal making them the only football game available. Had 2K been able to keep making football games, THEY would be the kings also imo. EA admitted defeat in basketball (they even stopped making NBA Live for a number of years, until this past year), and Madden would of had a similar fate imo. 

So again, how exactly did 2k NOT bring sports games into the modern 3D era? 

The first major modern 3D sports game was probably Madden on the 3DO. 

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3 hours ago, action said:

at the time, the DVD player was a huge selling point of the PS2 (but remember, the XBOX was also able to play DVD's). you have to consider, back then DVD's were a real novelty. VHS was still very much present in media outlets. DVD players were goddamn expensive, and it was all kind of "elitist".

that surely changed with the arrival of the PS2. A huge part of the appeal was the DVD player. It eventually came with a bloody remote, and i still remember the Terminator 3 DVD - PS2 pack in that was the dog's bollox. hell, the PS2 even "looked" like a DVD player, and a big marketing tactic was to show it next to your home-cinema system.

The XBOX could play DVD's too, but you needed a special adapter for it to work, and to be real, a PS2 looks better next to your TV and CD player than the clunky XBOX (though that is subjective).

and of course, no body ever bought their PS2's to watch porn DVD's. :ph34r: we will conveniently ignore the explosive expansion of the porn DVD market around the time the PS2 arrived, and we will also completely forget the big deal it was when rumours emerged that sony would ban porn DVD's on the PS2.

..... anyway....

yeah, having the DVD on the PS2 really was a big fucking deal, and the omission of DVD on the gamecube really hurt that system in the end

Trying to deny the fact the PS2 sold as well as did (in part) because of its dvd player is just plain incorrect. It was a HUGE selling point for a great many people. Would the PS2 still have won that era without the DVD player? Possibly, but not by NEAR the margin it did. A VAST amount of hardcore gamers that I follow on the internet also agree with this point. Due to the DVD player, the PS2 HAS to be considered a "gimmick" machine just like the Wii was. Sure it also provided plenty of quality content, unlike the Wii, but when "old people" want your machine, it's due to a gimmick. Like I said earlier, only 3 machines have crossed over like that; the original NES, PS2, and the Wii. Which the original NES IS the only one that wasn't a gimmick machine, it was just plain revolutionary. I feel the Switch will also fall into the revolutionary category. It'll mark the end of TV only gaming, and going forward Sony and Microsoft will copy that success. Its 2018, being able to take high quality games ANYWHERE has never been done like this before, plus you can still hook it up to your tv if you choose. Which on a side note I don't. It feels like "old" technology when I play it that way. 

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1 minute ago, Dazey said:

The first major modern 3D sports game was probably Madden on the 3DO. 

It wasn't any good though. Like I said, Madden DID do a Madden 64, but it was a flawed game. At the time we over looked the flaws, but now they just seem HUGE. The oroginal NBA 2k on the dreamcast STILL holds up rather well. It was the first time basketball EVER felt so real. Same goes for NFL 2k. Besides if Madden thought they were better, they wouldn't of demanded a monopoly.

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3 minutes ago, Iron MikeyJ said:

It wasn't any good though. Like I said, Madden DID do a Madden 64, but it was a flawed game. At the time we over looked the flaws, but now they just seem HUGE. The oroginal NBA 2k on the dreamcast STILL holds up rather well. It was the first time basketball EVER felt so real. Same goes for NFL 2k. Besides if Madden thought they were better, they wouldn't of demanded a monopoly.

I’d also say that sports games were massive long before the Dreamcast came along. For people who don’t give a shit about basketball (everybody in the world outside the US) we were playing Pro Evolution Soccer/FIFA or their predecessors back in the days of the SNES and many of these games still hold up well today. 

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