Order of Nine Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Just now, bucketfoot said: Go and have another listen. I know the song, you haven't a clue. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killuridols Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 lol 'The Hand That Feeds' was released in 2005 in the album #WithTeeth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Order of Nine Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, bucketfoot said: Go and have another listen. Melodies, chords, vocal lines COMPLETELY different. Besides the fact the hand that feeds was written in a studio off of a keyboard and a drum loop, and shackler's has at least 5 different parts to the song.. 23 minutes ago, killuridols said: lol 'The Hand That Feeds' was released in 2005 in the album #WithTeeth Nooooooooo kidding... And shackler's was recorded BEFORE this. 23 minutes ago, killuridols said: lol 'The Hand That Feeds' was released in 2005 in the album #WithTeeth Go look up who wrote shackler's riff and when the guy was in the band.. clueless. Edited February 23, 2018 by Order of Nine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Order of Nine Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, killuridols said: lol 'The Hand That Feeds' was released in 2005 in the album #WithTeeth And then RE LISTEN to Sean Beaven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Order of Nine Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 28 minutes ago, killuridols said: Only a deaf one wouldn't hear it. They are just the same freaking song ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ tone deaf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) Shackler's Revenge has certainly a general vibe of mid-late 90s and of the predominant music of that era, but I really don't hear any NIN in it The only specific association that kind of comes to mind is White Zombies' More Human Than Human (for the intro). Also, as far as the particular NIN song goes: according to the liner notes Shackler's was co-written by Axl , Buckethead, Brain, Costanzo and Scaturro. Buckethead was gone before The Hand That Feeds was released and Brain left in mid 2006. Edited February 23, 2018 by Blackstar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucketfoot Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Shackler's also has more than a touch of Marilyn Manson about it. Could have been on 'Mechanical Animals'. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killuridols Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 People who think Shackler's is a UNIQUE PIECE OF MUSIC THAT NO ONE EVER WROTE BEFORE are the only deaf ones and stubborn who are only arguing for the sake of their own egos. Shackler's is a generic nu-metal, industrial song that sounds like NIN, Manson and all the bands that tried that sound before Axl discovered Protools. It is nothing special or authentic or vanguardist and being released in 2008 makes it even more dated and forgettable. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Order of Nine Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, bucketfoot said: Shackler's also has more than a touch of Marilyn Manson about it. Could have been on 'Mechanical Animals'. Psssssssssst. Hey, I think it SOUNDS like a Buckethead song with Axl singing on it. 2 minutes ago, killuridols said: People who think Shackler's is a UNIQUE PIECE OF MUSIC THAT NO ONE EVER WROTE BEFORE are the only deaf ones and stubborn who are only arguing for the sake of their own egos. Shackler's is a generic nu-metal, industrial song that sounds like NIN, Manson and all the bands that tried that sound before Axl discovered Protools. It is nothing special or authentic or vanguardist and being released in 2008 makes it even more dated and forgettable. "Nu Metal" CLUELESS! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucketfoot Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, killuridols said: People who think Shackler's is a UNIQUE PIECE OF MUSIC THAT NO ONE EVER WROTE BEFORE are the only deaf ones and stubborn who are only arguing for the sake of their own egos. Shackler's is a generic nu-metal, industrial song that sounds like NIN, Manson and all the bands that tried that sound before Axl discovered Protools. It is nothing special or authentic or vanguardist and being released in 2008 makes it even more dated and forgettable. As I said, by far the worst song on CD for me, so out of place. The song is an ugly mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Order of Nine Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 A song that wasn't written around a pentatonic scale.. that makes it "nu metal"... Someone please list all these metal bands CD was influenced by. I'm in the mood for a good laugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killuridols Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, bucketfoot said: As I said, by far the worst song on CD for me, so out of place. The song is an ugly mess. Nah, its not out of place because that album is a mess anyway I like the stupid song, you know? but Im not gonna be lying to myself that it is what it is not and pretending Axl never to the nuMetal bands and Trent Reznor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) Shackler's sound reminds of 90s stuff in general and it's subpar compared to the good songs of that era. But most of the electronica/industrial-ish rock of the mid-late 90s wasn't original either. It was heavily influenced by earlier bands that Axl was listening to in the 80s, e.g. Killing Joke, Bauhaus, Front 242 etc. Some Manson songs in particular are almost Bauhaus rip-offs. Since Axl liked that kind of stuff in the 80s, it's only natural that he later liked NIN and other bands that were influenced by it. Edited February 23, 2018 by Blackstar 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucketfoot Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, killuridols said: Nah, its not out of place because that album is a mess anyway I like the stupid song, you know? but Im not gonna be lying to myself that it is what it is not and pretending Axl never to the nuMetal bands and Trent Reznor I'll put CD on, enjoy the title track and then that shit comes on with that stupid fucking elephant noise and I immediately skip to Better. Horrible. I think it's the placing of it on the album as well, it just disrupts the flow straight away. I might have enjoyed it more if it was later on the record, I dunno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killuridols Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 minute ago, bucketfoot said: I'll put CD on, enjoy the title track and then that shit comes on with that stupid fucking elephant noise and I immediately skip to Better. Horrible. I think it's the placing of it on the album as well, it just disrupts the flow straight away. I might have enjoyed it more if it was later on the record, I dunno. Elephant noise!! Well, get modern and make a list! You can change the song placing as you please. I do that all the time but I havent played a CD in years 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 4 hours ago, bucketfoot said: Yes it does. Again, it does. A little bit. And? I never said it was. I think Shacklers has more in common with later day NIN, and that material came out around the same time as CD. Definitely NOT suggesting NIN were influenced by GNR or anything crazy though. I also love Shacklers revenge, probably one of my top 3 off that album... but I know a lot of people are bit off instantly with the intro etc. Think it's a great rocker, and would have loved to have seen it live with Bumble and co. Anyway back to discussing the interview Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Order of Nine Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 There is maybe one lick on that whole album that comes close to being metal. The supposed guns fans here didn't know who wrote shackler's, when he left, and then made a song reference in comparison to shackler's to another song released AFTER shackler's was recorded. And you call shackler's "nu metal" there's absolutely nothing going on there metal besides the bumble tapping lick and it's really not prominent in the mix. That's the only thing CLOSE to being metal in that entire album Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Order of Nine said: There is maybe one lick on that whole album that comes close to being metal. The supposed guns fans here didn't know who wrote shackler's, when he left, and then made a song reference in comparison to shackler's to another song released AFTER shackler's was recorded. And you call shackler's "nu metal" there's absolutely nothing going on there metal besides the bumble tapping lick and it's really not prominent in the mix. That's the only thing CLOSE to being metal in that entire album Definitely not nu metal, but I'd class it on the harder rock side of things. Definitely think that verse riff has heavy metal leanings though, similar to Pantera (imagine it with some wide vibrato at the end of each phrase and a squeal or two) or something of that ilk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucketfoot Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, Order of Nine said: The supposed guns fans here didn't know who wrote shackler's, when he left, and then made a song reference in comparison to shackler's to another song released AFTER shackler's was recorded. Who said I didn't know who wrote it and when? That's your assumption. All I said was it has a bit of NIN about it and pointed out a track I think it sounds similar to and you went fucking mental! Fucking calm down! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Order of Nine Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 18 minutes ago, Tom2112 said: Definitely not nu metal, but I'd class it on the harder rock side of things. Definitely think that verse riff has heavy metal leanings though, similar to Pantera (imagine it with some wide vibrato at the end of each phrase and a squeal or two) or something of that ilk. Def hard rock, and I'd classify it as prog with all the different styles/elements. The fact that the song or album can't be pigeon holed should tell others that it's an eclectic mix. That verse riff is out of the pocket, nothing interlocking with the drums at all. It's a quirky bucket riff, 13 minutes ago, bucketfoot said: Who said I didn't know who wrote it and when? That's your assumption. All I said was it has a bit of NIN about it and pointed out a track I think it sounds similar to and you went fucking mental! Fucking calm down! Get your ears checked and your eyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucketfoot Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Order of Nine said: Get your ears checked and your eyes You've lost the plot a bit tonight, lad. Have a lie down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Order of Nine Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, bucketfoot said: You've lost the plot a bit tonight, lad. Have a lie down. You think CD is "nu metal" and you think Shackler's was a spin off from a song released AFTER shackler's was recorded. Your the one who's a fool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killuridols Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, Order of Nine said: You think CD is "nu metal" and you think Shackler's was a spin off from a song released AFTER shackler's was recorded. Your the one who's a fool. 'The hand...' is representative of how NIN sounds in general, regardless of the year it was released, NIN doesnt have a ChinDem kind of album with a Shackler's on it. 'The hand...' is consistent with the rest of NIN's material. So if Shackler's was recorded in 2000 it is still outdated because NIN was making that music 10+ years before Axl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucketfoot Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, killuridols said: 'The hand...' is representative of how NIN sounds in general, regardless of the year it was released, NIN doesnt have a ChinDem kind of album with a Shackler's on it. 'The hand...' is consistent with the rest of NIN's material. So if Shackler's was recorded in 2000 it is still outdated because NIN was making that music 10+ years before Axl. Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modano09 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 NIN's my #1, GNR's my #2, I really enjoyed Chinese Democracy but at no point was I like "Hey! This is just like Nine Inch Nails!" Shackler's and Oh My God could maybe be "like Nine Inch Nails" if you're actively looking for something to compare to Nine Inch Nails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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