IncitingChaos Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Silent Jay said: Wasn’t that from 2016, it’s Axl’s writing but it was a list of rehearsal songs. They basically rehearsed every gnr song 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey96 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Silent Jay said: What a setlist that would be but I don’t believe cause 1 no Chinese songs in it and 2 paradise city is not the closer. 1 hour ago, Silent Jay said: What a setlist that would be but I don’t believe it cause 1 no Chinese songs in it and 2 paradise city is not the closer. Edited February 28, 2018 by Bailey96 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amir Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 It's early in 2018 so he probably meant 2016 when he said "last year", matches up with what was said in the Nashville thread. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cineater Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Another case of when you haven't seen him in a while and only for a minute, it only turns out to be Richard when he finally gets up on stage and you get a good look? Been more fans mistake those two. And at least one fan thought he was running from King Kong. Why does everybody look like Richard? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 5 hours ago, IncitingChaos said: Izzy likely hung up, he didn’t walk out. He was offered a percentage but definitely not a respectable percentage and said no way. Izzy is the only person Axl will not speak badly of no matter how much they disagree. I think Axl would have genuinely liked to have had Izzy around on tour, but somewhere on the workload and payload Izzy would receive is where things went south. Plus given that Axl would have kept Fortus on stage with Izzy made things complicated. Somewhere between Duff going to the studio with Izzy and Izzy getting a twitter account is where things went wrong. Izzy used twitter to voice his displeasure in his own way on the situation and even let us know he wouldn’t be in Vegas. So we know based on Izzy’s actions that money was a factor and 100% sure he was in the original plans for the reunion. And it adds to the list of odd things that happened leading to the reunion - Slash pulling a last minute move to secure more money for the tour - Axl’s canceled Kimmel performance in which he was going to announce the reunion according to Howard Stern - Izzy joining twitter with odd messages - Chris Pittman kicked out. - Adler hurts his back at rehearsals. - Ashba says he was asked to stay So it begs the question...how different was the reunion when we saw it unleashed in April of 16 compared to the original concept of the reunion drawn up in 2015? Great analysis. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holographic Universe Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 9 hours ago, Tom-Ass said: I would take it all with again of salt.. He got the information second hand. Who knows what the real story is, if there even was a story. Yeah, it’s a total fabrication. He admits he doesn’t speak with Izzy and hasn’t for years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambit83 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 46 minutes ago, The Holographic Universe said: Yeah, it’s a total fabrication. He admits he doesn’t speak with Izzy and hasn’t for years. He has friends in the current camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tori72 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 9 minutes ago, Gambit83 said: He has friends in the current camp. Would that be Slash then? It’s a shame he could not tell what Izzy was pissed about. Is money Izzy’s only problem, was he really upset with Steven? Questions not necessarily only directed at you, Gambit. I’m really fed up with all those no info-info of this band. It just opens up new speculations, raises false hopes, disappoints unnecessarily (maybe)... *sigh* 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambit83 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, Tori72 said: Would that be Slash then? It’s a shame he could not tell what Izzy was pissed about. Is money Izzy’s only problem, was he really upset with Steven? Questions not necessarily only directed at you, Gambit. I’m really fed up with all those no info-info of this band. It just opens up new speculations, raises false hopes, disappoints unnecessarily (maybe)... *sigh* I couldn’t reveal that. But I understand the no-info frustration, we all do in here I’m sure haha. I’m surprised he shared publicly what he did, I gave him the option not to. fyi Alan just emailed me saying the bit about Axl’s astrology was more interesting 😅 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BOSSY78 Posted February 28, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 28, 2018 (edited) Steven is actually easy to read which is why he would be the last one to know things. Steven is passive agressive. He has given interviews where he talked badly about someone then tells you how much he loves that person. Like where he mentioned Axl being upset he showed up for a show he wasn't scheduled for. Many call Axl a perfectionist but understand changing a perfectionists setlist at your whim isn't a good idea because everything is counted for and planned to make it perfect in their eyes. I remember a story about Steven saying he once began playing a different song once from what everyone else was and how Axl got upset. This was back before the split. Steven felt Axl should have fell in line with the song but Axl didn't. Seeing as how Axl likely strategically places most of the songs to accomodate his vocals during a long show that wouldn't work.I believe steven said he missed a cue or something. Steven once gave interviews about how Slash and Duff didn't like him. At the time the reunion was rumored and Steven admitted hes a blabber mouth so therefore he'd be the last to know. But to accomodate for why he wasn't in the know he made it like a poor Steven pity party. My guess Steven made another mistake. Izzy and Steven likely agreed to hold their ground with the partnership in negotiations and something happened. That's why suddenly all Steven's interviews now are about him and Izzy where they weren't before. I'm also gonna guess that when Steven hurt his back there was more going on there and something happened that made them bump him down to a special guest status. Steven claims he was orginally to do the Appetite songs and Frank others. Izzy likely got upset because 2 people pushing a negotiation was better than one. Don't get me wrong I love Steven and all he has contributed to GnR but I've known many of his type. He puts on just enough charm to make you think he's innocent but can backstab in a heartbeat. I mean look at his mothers book. She blatantly blames GnR for her sons drug abuse and Steven knowing the band members are unsure of him runs out supporting it. I think her overall concept was great from what I've heard for people that are dealing with addicts but her story delved beyond and she basically called Axl a junkie. Yet if memory serves me Steven himself said he wasn't and said Axl would sit at his bedside when he was hospitalized for an overdose. I'm not saying he shouldn't support his mother telling of her experience with Steven but that Title and her using GnR in the way she did was wrong. And finally as I've called it before Steven was recently saying how the whole GnR thing tested his sobriety. Perhaps it's as simple as knowing the temptaions of the road and what stuggles he would face was a factor. I mean to me he's almost passively aggressively saying he struggled with sobriety because of not playing with them. Steven needs to learn to not blame others. His struggles are his own just as theirs are. Much to contemplate about what upset Izzy but this post is already too long and Im tired Edited to add I know many wish to jump on the whole blame Axl bandwagon but I think personally it wasn't entirely up to him. Afterall, Slash and Duff have every right to not wish to share the loot equally and veto it. Money is a business and GnR makes money therefore it's a business as well. We also must take into account that we don't know if Izzy had a fair offer or not. Equal loot was never going to be an option for a man who sold his right to that. Sad as it may be. I think many put blame on the 3 when Izzy should also be realistic about equal loot. I say equal because that is the word he used. Steven needs to start taking blame for some of his own actions. Either way the tidbits we are learning are painting a different light somewhat and explain Steven's arse kissing of Izzy lately. Edited February 28, 2018 by BOSSY78 Added 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotsfired cro Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 6 hours ago, Bailey96 said: What a setlist that would be but I don’t believe cause 1 no Chinese songs in it and 2 paradise city is not the closer. What a setlist that would be but I don’t believe it cause 1 no Chinese songs in it and 2 paradise city is not the closer. i know right? only addition to what was played so far - PTU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamillos Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 (edited) I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: what if Izzy just wanted to participate as a guest, for a few songs per show? Wouldn’t it be kind of unfair if he required the same money as the others, who have been rehearsing, preparing for the tour, and touring all year around? Or do you think Izzy would have wanted to do the whole thing? Do you think he would want to – or be able to, in certain parts – play Chinese Democracy songs? And would they fire Richard then? Or would it be a 3-guitar circus again? Would they alternate, rendering it a circus as well? I just somehow don’t see Izzy wanting to 100% collaborate on the whole tour thing, that’s all. As for Steven, the situation would be similar. As he said himself, he would only do certain songs, but that would mean another circus, with musicians standing in the backstage and waiting their turn. You can do this occasionally but not at every show, that’s nonsense. I’m definitely glad for what we have now. Edited February 28, 2018 by jamillos 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vicson Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 This setlist also has Dust N' Bones & 14 Years. Interesting. It looks like an UY Tour setlist. But it has Think About You that was never played in 91-93. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swedish Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 14 hours ago, janrichmond said: What about during the Illusions tour? Nearly every DTJ was preceded by Axl ranting about Izzy! Not really, during some later shows during the Skin & Bones Tour and a handfull of late '91 early '92 he ranted about Izzy but it was far from nearly every DTJ 12 hours ago, RussTCB said: What is that from? I may be remembering it wrong but if I recall correctly it's from the 2016 VIP book! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnrcane Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 1 hour ago, jamillos said: I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: what if Izzy just wanted to participate as a guest, for a few songs per show? Wouldn’t it be kind of unfair if he required the same money as the others, who have been rehearsing, preparing for the tour, and touring all year around? Or do you think Izzy would have wanted to do the whole thing? Do you think he would want to – or be able to, in certain parts – play Chinese Democracy songs? And would they fire Richard then? Or would it be a 3-guitar circus again? Would they alternate, rendering it a circus as well? I just somehow don’t see Izzy wanting to 100% collaborate on the whole tour thing, that’s all. As for Steven, the situation would be similar. As he said himself, he would only do certain songs, but that would mean another circus, with musicians standing in the backstage and waiting their turn. You can do this occasionally but not at every show, that’s nonsense. I’m definitely glad for what we have now. It definitely would have been strange to have the Rhythm guitarist and drummer swapping out for certain songs. Has any band done that on a tour except for guest appearance type stuff? I guess Fortus could have just stayed on stage and played air guitar during Izzy's songs. What would make/have made more sense would be to do smaller venue, complete AFD shows with Izzy and Steven. Just play AFD+Civil War. Do it in under 5000 seat venues and play the NITL show in a larger venue in the same city. Charge a premium for the AFD shows. The general public can go to the NITL show and the diehards can go to both (or just AFD). Somebody needs to take the best audio we have of Steven's My Michelle and OTGM from NITL guest appearances and set up an A/B comparison with Frank's versions. Break it up into segments and don't reveal whose part is A and B but randomly switch the order. I'd be curious how many people can really tell who is playing without seeing the video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGeneral Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 10 hours ago, Bailey96 said: What a setlist that would be but I don’t believe it cause 1 no Chinese songs in it and 2 paradise city is not the closer. I think he didn't put them in the correct order. It was like "What should we play...Nightrain opener would be good, Jungle and Easy...oh yeah and we need Paradise too..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juventino Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Oh what could have been... Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember that setlist/list of songs floating around early in the NITL tour. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamillos Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 42 minutes ago, Gnrcane said: It definitely would have been strange to have the Rhythm guitarist and drummer swapping out for certain songs. Has any band done that on a tour except for guest appearance type stuff? I guess Fortus could have just stayed on stage and played air guitar during Izzy's songs. What would make/have made more sense would be to do smaller venue, complete AFD shows with Izzy and Steven. Just play AFD+Civil War. Do it in under 5000 seat venues and play the NITL show in a larger venue in the same city. Charge a premium for the AFD shows. The general public can go to the NITL show and the diehards can go to both (or just AFD). Somebody needs to take the best audio we have of Steven's My Michelle and OTGM from NITL guest appearances and set up an A/B comparison with Frank's versions. Break it up into segments and don't reveal whose part is A and B but randomly switch the order. I'd be curious how many people can really tell who is playing without seeing the video. I’m not sure how that would make 4tus and Frank feel, but actually this is not a bad idea at all. It would solve a lot of stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amir Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gnrcane said: It definitely would have been strange to have the Rhythm guitarist swapping out for certain songs. I guess Fortus could have just stayed on stage and played air guitar during Izzy's songs. I don't see why Fortus would have to go off stage; they had a 3-guitar lineup from 2001-14, no reason Fortus couldn't share a stage with Slash + Izzy. I mean, he didn't sit out when Izzy guested before the reunion and they did songs like 14 Years. Edited February 28, 2018 by Amir 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChineseDemocracy2004 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Does anybody else think that Izzy could turn up during their set at Download festival? We can dream. Secondly, should Izzy play would we be able to hear him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsinindy Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 17 hours ago, Sanomatovic said: I'd like to bring up to the discussion that some people are saying that Izzy walked out because of a disagreement with Steve, but as we remember Steve left saying he'll only play with GNR again if Izzy is also there. It's either Izzy and Steve went a little crazy over the years or it is, in fact, a money problem. No not exactly. Steve did not leave. He got turned down to play both nights in Argentina when he was there and after that his involvement ended. We do not know it he ended or the band did. Then, a bit later when his moms book came is when he claimed during interviews he would never play with GnR again without Izzy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KURT19 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 My opinion based on the bits of public info and tweets: Izzy was asked to participate in a full-blown GNR reunion. Once the business dealings got serious, he found himself stuck in the middle with Steven instead of being on equal terms with Slash and Duff. He got fucked over in the proposed loot split. He walked and took the long way home. The tour kicked off and Izzy was invited to "special guest" along with Steven to keep the die-hard fans happy and to keep the ticket sales flowing. Izzy got fucked over again during a sound check by a no-show Axl, his old buddy Duff, and puppy dog Steven who was willing to work for peanuts. The Three-Headed monster saw their bank account balances balloon bigger than any other phase of their lifetimes and came to the greedy conclusion that Izzy wasn't necessary. Money is the root of all evil. Izzy got fucked over by an ego-maniacal, power-mad, tortured-genius and his two newly ultra-rich lackey henchman. End of story. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killuridols Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 14 hours ago, IncitingChaos said: Wasn’t that from 2016, it’s Axl’s writing but it was a list of rehearsal songs. They basically rehearsed every gnr song That ain't Axl's writting at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambit83 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 15 minutes ago, KURT19 said: My opinion based on the bits of public info and tweets: Izzy was asked to participate in a full-blown GNR reunion. Once the business dealings got serious, he found himself stuck in the middle with Steven instead of being on equal terms with Slash and Duff. He got fucked over in the proposed loot split. He walked and took the long way home. The tour kicked off and Izzy was invited to "special guest" along with Steven to keep the die-hard fans happy and to keep the ticket sales flowing. Izzy got fucked over again during a sound check by a no-show Axl, his old buddy Duff, and puppy dog Steven who was willing to work for peanuts. The Three-Headed monster saw their bank account balances balloon bigger than any other phase of their lifetimes and came to the greedy conclusion that Izzy wasn't necessary. Money is the root of all evil. Izzy got fucked over by an ego-maniacal, power-mad, tortured-genius and his two newly ultra-rich lackey henchman. End of story. Angry much? Your first assessment is incorrect, Izzy was never asked to participate in full blown reunion. From what we “know” he was at that one sound check but don’t know exactly why he left. There is no “end of story” because none of us really know unless your name rhymes with Smaxl Smose. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guigsdaddy76 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 I like your podcast but if I may be constructive, I wish you would follow up more with Alan in this interview. "Izzy is angry" ok got it. You never ask why is Izzy angry? What do you think happned etc. Listen to how Stern interviews musicians, celebs etc to see what I mean regarding follow up. I know you want to be delicate but how often do you get info like this out of a guest? Otherwise I appreciate the podcast and think its good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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