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06/12/18 - Gelsenkirchen, Germany - Veltins Arena

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3 minutes ago, adamsapple said:

I think it would be just fair to pay him properly and he's got all the right to demand that. Izzy doesn't have as much star power to the casual NITL type of fan but for every othet fan I think he does. He is one of the main songwriters and to many fans he is basically the heart and soul of GNR. I remember attending a show where he joined the CD lineup and the crowd went absolutely insane, knowing who was on stage there in the flesh, and they paid him more than due respect. No offense to Duff, but to me the "big 3" is Axl, Izzy and Slash.

Four sure, have nothing against Izzy, he earned some money to score, but if to think logically, from existing members perspective, the line of contributers would be - Axl (always in the band, most of the songs), Slash, Duff (stayed from the beginning, till the end of the best Era 93') and Dizzy (although, joined only in 1990, stayed more than for 20 years, being loyal, participated on songs) - even if to take into considiration Izzy's contribution to songs, I would doubt that Dizzy was ready to be paid less. So, Izzy, probably, if try to be honest and fair, should be paid more than Dizzy, but less than Duff (for some fans, Izzy's more importaint, but speaking on "group experience") and probably they has stuck on this step. SO, Izzy wanted more than Duff and Dizzy more than Izzy - confusing shit after all. And even if the fans may acknowledge that, bussines side is much more complex. 

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7 minutes ago, MJ23 said:

Yes, weird indeed. I only heard of the 20 Euro charge. I have to admit that parking was way better organized than last year in Hannover, at least where I found a place. 5 Euro was the parking fee. But I have to agree with the drinks. Took hell of a time to get some and you had to discuss that the cup was half empty. 

Ha, my cup was full, but I couldn't get water. Only Coke or Sprite, or beer. The person serving me was surprised as well: 'Why don't we have any water?!' :lol:

Well, I'm just happy I wasn't in Hannover last year then ;)

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24 minutes ago, nikothebellic said:

Four sure, have nothing against Izzy, he earned some money to score, but if to think logically, from existing members perspective, the line of contributers would be - Axl (always in the band, most of the songs), Slash, Duff (stayed from the beginning, till the end of the best Era 93') and Dizzy (although, joined only in 1990, stayed more than for 20 years, being loyal, participated on songs) - even if to take into considiration Izzy's contribution to songs, I would doubt that Dizzy was ready to be paid less. So, Izzy, probably, if try to be honest and fair, should be paid more than Dizzy, but less than Duff (for some fans, Izzy's more importaint, but speaking on "group experience") and probably they has stuck on this step. SO, Izzy wanted more than Duff and Dizzy more than Izzy - confusing shit after all. And even if the fans may acknowledge that, bussines side is much more complex. 

You're right, with so many people involved and the long history of the band it's all pretty confusing. :lol: I just tend to have a huge respect for songwriters in general, they are the silent types and never get the attention but without them there would be no music in the first place. Having seen Izzy and Axl perform together I can never go back, to me he's kind of the yin to Axl's yang chemistry wise, something happens with Axl when Izzy's around. ;) In a perfect world all would be paid equally and Axl and Izzy would do an acoustic guitar/piano "Storytellers" club tour. :lol:

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3 hours ago, Thierry1982 said:

Just posted my audio recording of yesterday on Dimeadozen.org. Check these videos first so you know how it sounds:

 

Shadow Of Your Love:
https://youtu.be/GP_EVFNkszM

 

Well done Axl. Getting better and better at it. I bet this sounds monster in person.

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Did anyone notice the guy crowd surfing then being thrown out by security ? (around 5:50 right in front of the stage ) 

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3 minutes ago, Alexmee239 said:

Did anyone notice the guy crowd surfing then being thrown out by security ? (around 5:50 right in front of the stage ) 

He wasn't thrown out. Just escorted to the side of the audience.
It's a common practice in a lot of places. It's for security reasons.

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5 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said:

Pretty Good "Yesterdays".. Pretty good set list.. pretty good encore 

Slash playing a bit closer to the original solo. I wish he plays it like the one in Live Era, but yeah pretty good set list and show.

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10 hours ago, nikothebellic said:

Well, I am not "believing", it's a fact, maybe not so famous, but Izzy Stradlin always wished that GNR remained a "club" band, and not a stadium/arena band. Also, he was always in some way an aloof member of the band as well as the most fastidious - partly he has left the band because of delays, mayhem and other brutal stuff of typical GNR in 90s. That's why Axl often reffers as "Izzy it's Izzy", as well as in 90s he mentioned something like "We wouldn't be here if Izzy was here" - because they literally would have avoided these "big gigs shit", if Izzy stayed. Probably, he was ready to participate in the reunion, but only for a bigger money stake than he was offered. He also said the same in 90's after leaving the band - about not equal loot sharing. Well, Izzy remained Izzy. And, well, with all do respect to Izzy, GNR is far from "Izzy and others". For sure, Stradlin is a crucial part of GnR story, but yet again, most of the UYI tour was made with Gilby Clark  or, for instance, Dizzy Reed was even more loyal to the band. And choosing beetween Dizzy and Izzy I would think twice as Mr. Reed is much more consistent. The thing is, if Izzy wanted to be paid as much as Duff or even Slash, well, he's out of his mind. He left by himself and demanded too much after all. So, I do not see any unfairness in this story with Izzy and reunion.  

 

please dont ever stop embarrassing yourself :rofl-lol:

14 hours ago, Derick said:

He’s not there probably because he couldn't get exactly what and the way he wants and as it’s about a band and he needs to work with other people...you know, it’s Izzy. Just take a look into his solo career, it’s him all about him. And to be part of a band you need to consider different POV and to some people things like that it’s too hard. So..No Izzy.

you need to go back in time to 1990 and tell that to axl rose, kid

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17 minutes ago, ludurigan said:

 

you need to go back in time to 1990 and tell that to axl rose, kid

Sorry but It’s 2018, grandpa. 

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18 hours ago, adamsapple said:

 its basically the Slash show now yet Richard Fortus is playing circles around him.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

How dare you?

 

Fortus is a covers guitarist and a poser.

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4 hours ago, ludurigan said:

 

please dont ever stop embarrassing yourself :rofl-lol:

you need to go back in time to 1990 and tell that to axl rose, kid

It seems we have here a die-hard Izzy fan, and it's okay. I've counted on it. The funny thing about Izzy is that situation is so clear, that I don't understand all the disputes. He left in 1991 by himself, I hope here you are agree? And if a talk about "money sharing" nowadays may have some place, then in 1991 it's complete obvious that the lead singer and the lead guitarist would get more money than the rhythm-guitar player. And it was justified by an amazing Axl's vocal performances and Slash's guitar magic. And being an asshole by Rose has nothing with money sharing - it's personal and it's bussines. But Izzy still was dissatisfied about his loot. Morover, for me, bands are like brotherhoods - together till the end. But I can't say that about Izzy - even if you don't believe facts about his more "chamber" nature, if he would be a true "bro" he would stay till the end, like Duff, Slash and even Dizzy did. But he left to preserve or comfort himself, it doesn't matter, but he said "Goodbey" to his fellows at crucial point of their path. I don't wanna bitch him, but it shows what attitude he has towards the band. And I understand why they did not want to "share loot equally" - because they are not in equal postion towards band's history and therefore its legacy.    

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7 hours ago, GoForJMark said:

Here's a video of Yesterdays played right after Don't Cry.

 

Wouhouuuu! Very nice Yesterday, the best it has sounded in a long time!

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10 minutes ago, NicoRourke said:

Wouhouuuu! Very nice Yesterday, the best it has sounded in a long time!

He sounded pretty good on Yesterdays in the North America run late last year, often a bit better than this actually

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4 hours ago, nikothebellic said:

It seems we have here a die-hard Izzy fan, and it's okay. I've counted on it. The funny thing about Izzy is that situation is so clear, that I don't understand all the disputes. He left in 1991 by himself, I hope here you are agree? And if a talk about "money sharing" nowadays may have some place, then in 1991 it's complete obvious that the lead singer and the lead guitarist would get more money than the rhythm-guitar player. And it was justified by an amazing Axl's vocal performances and Slash's guitar magic. And being an asshole by Rose has nothing with money sharing - it's personal and it's bussines. But Izzy still was dissatisfied about his loot. Morover, for me, bands are like brotherhoods - together till the end. But I can't say that about Izzy - even if you don't believe facts about his more "chamber" nature, if he would be a true "bro" he would stay till the end, like Duff, Slash and even Dizzy did. But he left to preserve or comfort himself, it doesn't matter, but he said "Goodbey" to his fellows at crucial point of their path. I don't wanna bitch him, but it shows what attitude he has towards the band. And I understand why they did not want to "share loot equally" - because they are not in equal postion towards band's history and therefore its legacy.    

please never stop sharing these facts, its a true revelation!

:rofl-lol:

9 hours ago, Derick said:

Sorry but It’s 2018, grandpa. 

oh i dint know that! thanks for telling me young man!

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