STEVEN ADLER: "Izzy is just as heartbroken as I am that the three of them decided to leave us out and bring three strangers in–who are those people?"

[killuridols]

8 minutes ago, Modano09 said:

Oh I'm sure they all bought tickets on the off chance of getting to see Steven Adler. 

The rumor about Steven playing in Argentina was around for a couple weeks before the show. I bought ticket for the second show thinking that it might be a surprise, but I didn't know it would be him.

Four days before the show I was confirmed that it would be him. But I thought he was going to do only one show.

Got totally surprised when I saw him joining the stage the first date and I definitely felt like my ticket was worth all the money I paid, since I will probably never see Steven playing with GN'R again or even see Steven playing anywhere.

I'm extremely thankful that it happened to me because I'm poor and live in the third world, but I'm sad other fans didn't get this in their shows. It is not fair at all.

 

Edited April 16, 2018 by killuridols

[Gnrcane]

5 hours ago, PatrickS77 said:

As we've pointed out before, said risk is not existant with Ferrer around, who could step in, should Adler become a problem.

From a purely business standpoint, why pay 2 drummers? Unless Steven is working REALLY cheap, I doubt enough tickets would be sold because of him to profit on his being there.

3 hours ago, killuridols said:

What's more inconsistent than saying Not In This Lifetime and then doing it? 

To be fair, the question he answered was about a reunion, which still hasn't happened.

Edited April 16, 2018 by Gnrcane

[BOSSY78]

2 hours ago, killuridols said:

The rumor about Steven playing in Argentina was around for a couple weeks before the show. I bought ticket for the second show thinking that it might be a surprise, but I didn't know it would be him.

Four days before the show I was confirmed that it would be him. But I thought he was going to do only one show.

Got totally surprised when I saw him joining the stage the first date and I definitely felt like my ticket was worth all the money I paid, since I will probably never see Steven playing with GN'R again or even see Steven playing anywhere.

I'm extremely thankful that it happened to me because I'm poor and live in the third world, but I'm sad other fans didn't get this in their shows. It is not fair at all.

 

I was hoping to be able to see Steven play on this tour as well. I had no expectations but it would have been a great surprise.

[Swedish]

6 hours ago, Powderfinger said:

 

I get up around seven, Go to yoga about nine.

Head to the gym around 11, sippping green tea and feeling fine.

 

We’ve been Jogging with, Sensei Benny. He ain’t rockin, motherfucker, motherfucker won’t let me get stoned. 

 

I used to jog a little, but the little wouldn’t do it, so I started to jog more and more.

Just kept trying to jog a little further, a little further than before. 

I used to Kick box a little, but the little wouldn’t do it, so I started to kick box more and more.

Just kept trying to get my foot a little higher, a little higher than before.

 

We’ve been sober, for far too long now, we can’t remember, motherfucker motherfucker it’s ok to get stoned.

 

 

This post is GOLD! 

[Swedish]

5 hours ago, SlashisGOD said:

Honestly I'd rather have Matt on drums.

I agree with this! Matt is in my opinion a better fit than both Adler and especially Frank on this tour! 

[RONIN]

6 hours ago, Order of Nine said:

It would be nice if people could move on from 1990. 

It would be nice if GnR could move on from 1987-1991. They haven't. And neither have most of the fans.

[RONIN]

On 4/14/2018 at 7:05 PM, Modano09 said:

And this is pretty typical of him. If he's getting what he wants, or thinks he's going to, he says all the right things. He did that interview a while back, after the tour and was doing his subtle "it was great but they were so mean to poor me" routine. And now he's straight out whining and playing the victim. He's not there for good reason and proves it every time he opens his mouth.

So people can't have mixed feelings about something? How does Adler getting to play a few songs at 5 gigs preclude Axl, Slash and Duff from being mean to him? These are not mutually exclusive things. You may not like the guy but that doesn't necessarily mean he's lying about how things went down between him and the band. 

What should he have said in these interviews? "Thank you Slash and Axl for giving me a chance. I am so grateful. You guys were so generous, I love you." (he's said variations of this in most of his recent interviews btw)

Your contention is that instead of being happy with the scraps he was thrown and staying silent about the shenanigans that went down internally, he went public about the unsavoriness of the entire thing. That even though he's healthy and has practiced all of the songs - he wasn't given a chance to play more (despite being willing) ... when he was promised a bigger role in the reunion by Duff and Slash before abruptly having the rug pulled out from under him. None of these relevant details should be mentioned in any interview by Adler because it will upset Axl fans like you. He should tow the company line and make the big 3 look like the generous wonderful people that they are. Because he should be grateful to play one or two songs in a band where he was one of the founding members. 

Makes perfect sense. 

This is why this thread is so long. Not necessarily because people think Adler is entitled to play all of the NITL gigs from start to finish (he's not) - but rather as a visceral reaction to the disrespect he's being shown here. Adler isn't my favorite GnR drummer. He can be irritating. He can be a whiner who plays the victim. He can be an absolute ass (celebrity rehab). But it doesn't change the reality of the situation here that he was treated poorly by Axl, Slash, and Duff. Now that may not matter to you and maybe you don't care to see an AFD 5 reunion. But for some people, it is disheartening to see how this whole thing has played out. Whatever Steven may or may not be, he deserved better. As did Izzy.

Edited April 16, 2018 by RONIN

[PatrickS77]

6 hours ago, Gnrcane said:

From a purely business standpoint, why pay 2 drummers? Unless Steven is working REALLY cheap, I doubt enough tickets would be sold because of him to profit on his being there.

Does it all have to be about the business?? How about doing it for the fans? Doing what's right?? But either way. He wouldn't be that expensive to really make a dent in what Axl, Duff and Slash are making, considering the way they are overcharging on this tour compared to their previous tours. And really, if they are so cash poor that they can't afford it and adding him put would put them in the poorhouse, they could add 1.50 $ dollar extra on each ticket. So they would have an extra 25,000 at an arena show and an extra 75,000 at a stadium show give or take and that should cover it.

[PatrickS77]

8 hours ago, Modano09 said:

Either way, he wanted to play a night he wasn't supposed to be playing so they let him play 1 song both nights instead of 2 songs 1 night.

And that in in itself is petty and disrespectful as hell. What would have happened if they would have let him play 2 songs on 2 nights? If they had made him and the fans happy on both nights. Would the stadium have collapsed? Would the tour have collapsed? What is the reason they had to be dicks and make his already measly 2 song contribution even smaller and pathetic?? It's just sticking to him more and showing him that they are just throwing him a bone and scraps. Angus Young gets to be play more often with them than him. That's pathetic.

[Sydney Fan]

2 hours ago, PatrickS77 said:

Does it all have to be about the business?? How about doing it for the fans? Doing what's right?? But either way. He wouldn't be that expensive to really make a dent in what Axl, Duff and Slash are making, considering the way they are overcharging on this tour compared to their previous tours. And really, if they are so cash poor that they can't afford it and adding him put would put them in the poorhouse, they could add 1.50 $ dollar extra on each ticket. So they would have an extra 25,000 at an arena show and an extra 75,000 at a stadium show give or take and that should cover it.

Agree ronin. Slash always said he would do  it for the fans but the condition was the original 5 only....well i guess once the money came into it and slash wanted to have a relationship with axl band politics came first.  Ive said this on a previous thread afd5 should have happened straight after the LA show. A 4 date club show across the US , no stadiums just clubs back where it all began,  advertise it as a show that will never happen again. They blew that chance.

[Order of Nine]

5 hours ago, RONIN said:

It would be nice if GnR could move on from 1987-1991. They haven't. And neither have most of the fans.

They have considering alot of the circumstances, it's just that most people can't come to terms that the original 5 was not going to have any longevity. I loved Chinese, but I do think it's a shame more material hasn't been released. I suspect record label politics are a factor that possibly have stalled and held back that process. Now it's Axl/DC.

Also, every step Axl has made to leave the past in the past he's gotten alot of hate for having that attitude. I applaud that. It's much easier to play it safe and retain that comfort zone.. Axl has gone against the grain more then any mainstream rock act has in recent years. Itseems to me that people really don't want to move forward, they want to be nostalgic.

Edited April 16, 2018 by Order of Nine

[Order of Nine]

4 hours ago, PatrickS77 said:

Does it all have to be about the business?? How about doing it for the fans? Doing what's right?? But either way. He wouldn't be that expensive to really make a dent in what Axl, Duff and Slash are making, considering the way they are overcharging on this tour compared to their previous tours. And really, if they are so cash poor that they can't afford it and adding him put would put them in the poorhouse, they could add 1.50 $ dollar extra on each ticket. So they would have an extra 25,000 at an arena show and an extra 75,000 at a stadium show give or take and that should cover it.

In cases like this with Guns, I would suspect doing things for the fans would be a completely contrived and fake outcome. 

Why would anyone demand something that is not real and from the heart? 

Selfish is my guess.

[Modano09]

5 hours ago, PatrickS77 said:

And that in in itself is petty and disrespectful as hell. What would have happened if they would have let him play 2 songs on 2 nights? If they had made him and the fans happy on both nights. Would the stadium have collapsed? Would the tour have collapsed? What is the reason they had to be dicks and make his already measly 2 song contribution even smaller and pathetic?? It's just sticking to him more and showing him that they are just throwing him a bone and scraps. Angus Young gets to be play more often with them than him. That's pathetic.

Knowing Adler, if they let him play 2 songs when he's not supposed to, he probably shows up at more shows expecting to play because he's there. It seems clear by now that they can't give the guy anything without him wanting more and whining about it when he doesn't get it. 

[Gnrcane]

1 hour ago, Order of Nine said:

In cases like this with Guns, I would suspect doing things for the fans would be a completely contrived and fake outcome. 

Why would anyone demand something that is not real and from the heart? 

Selfish is my guess.

Exactly.  This is a band that has NEVER done things for the fans.  They basically "wrote what they wanted" and "played what they wanted."  Their biggest tour prior to NITL featured the lead singer telling the fans to go f*** themselves on a nightly basis by showing up late for no reason. 

[Modano09]

9 minutes ago, Gnrcane said:

Exactly.  This is a band that has NEVER done things for the fans.  They basically "wrote what they wanted" and "played what they wanted."  Their biggest tour prior to NITL featured the lead singer telling the fans to go f*** themselves on a nightly basis by showing up late for no reason. 

I agree they could do a little more for the fans but asking them to have their 2 year reunion tour relying on an obnoxious drug addict is asking a lot. 

[Order of Nine]

22 minutes ago, Gnrcane said:

Exactly.  This is a band that has NEVER done things for the fans.  They basically "wrote what they wanted" and "played what they wanted."  Their biggest tour prior to NITL featured the lead singer telling the fans to go f*** themselves on a nightly basis by showing up late for no reason. 

It definitely isn't fake! 

I suppose most would like some superficial acknowledgement. 

Not me, I get it and apperciate real motives. This will be one of the last bands of this caliber to do things thier way on thier terms. 

[MYWIFEMYLIFE]

Steven is right about being in a GNR reunion, but this is a business, not GNR anymore.

And to people dissing him, his fart is more of a drummer then Ferrer. 

I'll always dream of seeing AFD 5 and jerk off to it till I die.

[DieselDaisy]

43 minutes ago, Modano09 said:

I agree they could do a little more for the fans but asking them to have their 2 year reunion tour relying on an obnoxious drug addict is asking a lot. 

As opposed to two alcoholic-drug addicts currently in the band?

[Fashionista]

9 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

As opposed to two alcoholic-drug addicts currently in the band?

 

There's a difference. Slash and Duff were functioning addicts. Steven couldn't even cut one number right or play two songs without Duff's guidance for the beat live on drugs. World of difference.

[Tomek1985]

7 minutes ago, Fashionista said:

 

There's a difference. Slash and Duff were functioning addicts. Steven couldn't even cut one number right or play two songs without Duff's guidance for the beat live on drugs. World of difference.

Exactly.

[DieselDaisy]

Just now, Fashionista said:

 

There's a difference. Slash and Duff were functioning addicts. Steven couldn't even cut one number right or play two songs without Duff's guidance for the beat live on drugs. World of difference.

I would say he has been functioning since he has been sober which has been his state for four years, that is if we are taking the description of an ''addict'' to indicate permanency of addiction regardless of current sobriety (which is not an opinion I subscribe to but I'm willing to go along with it for sake of argument). McKagan was addicted to prescription drugs during Velvet Revolver, and it wasn't that long ago that Slash had a defibrillator. 

Heck, Slash's boozy car ride to Rose's Malibu gaffe - when was that, 2005ish? That was not that long ago. 

Fact,

- Guns N' Roses's fame was achieved by four addicts (and a nutter).

- Adler was neither the first heroin addict (Izzy was), nor initially the worst.

- That band, consisting of three of those same addicts still indulging in their addictions, sacked that fourth addict for his addiction.

- As with Adler, two of those addicts have had their periods of sobriety followed by relapses, stretching well past the millennium. They have both had their near-death experiences and health repercussions, exploding organs, defibrillators, hollowed out cocaine noses, etc.

The sacking of Adler was nothing less than gross hypocrisy.   

[Fashionista]

Just now, DieselDaisy said:

I would say he has been functioning since he has been sober which has been his state for four years, that is if we are taking the description of an ''addict'' to indicate permanency of addiction regardless of current sobriety (which is not an opinion I subscribe to but I'm willing to go along with it for sake of argument). McKagan was addicted to prescription drugs during Velvet Revolver, and it wasn't that long ago that Slash had a defibrillator. 

Heck, Slash's boozy car ride to Rose's Malibu gaffe - when was that, 2005ish? That was not that long ago. 

Fact,

- Guns N' Roses's fame was achieved by four addicts (and a nutter).

- Adler was neither the first heroin addict (Izzy was), nor initially the worst.

- That band, consisting of three of those same addicts still indulging in their addictions, sacked that fourth addict for his addiction.

- As with Adler, two of those addicts have had their periods of sobriety followed by relapses, stretching well past the millennium. They have both had their near-death experiences and health repercussions, exploding organs, defibrillators, hollowed out cocaine noses, etc.

The sacking of Adler was nothing less than gross hypocrisy.   

 

How long would sobriety last when dealing with the pressure of a massive world tour though? Because that's what a reunion is. Pressure to please thousands of people and being in every big city on the planet. Ever dealt with an addict? The whole point of addiction for most of them is to escape pressure. I would wager Steven's sobriety would not last long on a full length tour.

-The band weren't that big of drug addicts when they first got big, or when they recorded AFD to put more of a fine point on it because they simply didn't have the money to be spending it all on drugs
 

-Okay, and how did heroin addiction effect Izzy versus Steven? You can have two people take the same drug and get the opposite results.
 

-The band, consisting three of those same addicts still indulging, sacked the fourth because the fourth's addiction had gotten to the point where he was a non-functioning member of the band. The others were addicted to drugs but it had not impeded their ability to create in the studio or play live. Evidently in the case of Steven, heroin destroyed his ability and the band were not in the position to wait another year trying to get him clean enough to play. 

The sacking of Steven was necessary for the survival of the band past 1990. We might never have seen the UYIs come out if he had remained. Just as the sacking of Brian Jones was necessary for the Rolling Stones to continue into the 1970s. Very similar situations in a lot of ways. 

[Order of Nine]

11 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

I would say he has been functioning since he has been sober which has been his state for four years, that is if we are taking the description of an ''addict'' to indicate permanency of addiction regardless of current sobriety (which is not an opinion I subscribe to but I'm willing to go along with it for sake of argument). McKagan was addicted to prescription drugs during Velvet Revolver, and it wasn't that long ago that Slash had a defibrillator. 

Heck, Slash's boozy car ride to Rose's Malibu gaffe - when was that, 2005ish? That was not that long ago. 

Fact,

- Guns N' Roses's fame was achieved by four addicts (and a nutter).

- Adler was neither the first heroin addict (Izzy was), nor initially the worst.

- That band, consisting of three of those same addicts still indulging in their addictions, sacked that fourth addict for his addiction.

- As with Adler, two of those addicts have had their periods of sobriety followed by relapses, stretching well past the millennium. They have both had their near-death experiences and health repercussions, exploding organs, defibrillators, hollowed out cocaine noses, etc.

The sacking of Adler was nothing less than gross hypocrisy.   

And needed in order to complete the illusions recordings and to tour the world for the coming years...

Why do you choose to deliberately leave out key pieces?

Edited April 16, 2018 by Order of Nine

[DieselDaisy]

3 minutes ago, Fashionista said:

How long would sobriety last when dealing with the pressure of a massive world tour though? Because that's what a reunion is. Pressure to please thousands of people and being in every big city on the planet. Ever dealt with an addict? The whole point of addiction for most of them is to escape pressure. I would wager Steven's sobriety would not last long on a full length tour.

I wouldn't take that wager.

3 minutes ago, Fashionista said:

-The band weren't that big of drug addicts when they first got big, or when they recorded AFD to put more of a fine point on it because they simply didn't have the money to be spending it all on drugs

Garbage. Stradlin was on the junk as early as Hollywood Rose Days. Ever heard that story of Slash and Izzy frantically trying to find junk in LA before that Johnny Thunders show they played, just making the gig in time - that was '87 ish. Slash sold his first Les Paul for junk - that was '85-6.

5 minutes ago, Fashionista said:

-Okay, and how did heroin addiction effect Izzy versus Steven? You can have two people take the same drug and get the opposite results.

Switch Izzy, whose path to sobriety was far swifter, for Slash and Duff and throw that question back at you.

6 minutes ago, Fashionista said:

-The band, consisting three of those same addicts still indulging, sacked the fourth because the fourth's addiction had gotten to the point where he was a non-functioning member of the band. The others were addicted to drugs but it had not impeded their ability to create in the studio or play live. Evidently in the case of Steven, heroin destroyed his ability and the band were not in the position to wait another year trying to get him clean enough to play. 

The sacking of Steven was necessary for the survival of the band past 1990. We might never have seen the UYIs come out if he had remained. Just as the sacking of Brian Jones was necessary for the Rolling Stones to continue into the 1970s. Very similar situations in a lot of ways. 

I wouldn't say Slash clinically dying for x minutes in a lift is a symbol of a ''functioning'' addict, nor running around naked from little devils or demons. McKagan openly admits to fluffing his basslines at an Illusion show in his book. 

The band barely limped on regardless. It was over by 1993. 

[Derick]

@DieselDaisy About Slash n’ Duff’s addiction...How many tours did they have to cancel to return to rehab?

 

About Adler..How many tours he did in this 4 years of sobriety?