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STEVEN ADLER: "Izzy is just as heartbroken as I am that the three of them decided to leave us out and bring three strangers in–who are those people?"

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Steven is right about being in a GNR reunion, but this is a business, not GNR anymore.

And to people dissing him, his fart is more of a drummer then Ferrer. 

I'll always dream of seeing AFD 5 and jerk off to it till I die.

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43 minutes ago, Modano09 said:

I agree they could do a little more for the fans but asking them to have their 2 year reunion tour relying on an obnoxious drug addict is asking a lot. 

As opposed to two alcoholic-drug addicts currently in the band?

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9 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

As opposed to two alcoholic-drug addicts currently in the band?

 

There's a difference. Slash and Duff were functioning addicts. Steven couldn't even cut one number right or play two songs without Duff's guidance for the beat live on drugs. World of difference.

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7 minutes ago, Fashionista said:

 

There's a difference. Slash and Duff were functioning addicts. Steven couldn't even cut one number right or play two songs without Duff's guidance for the beat live on drugs. World of difference.

Exactly.

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Just now, Fashionista said:

 

There's a difference. Slash and Duff were functioning addicts. Steven couldn't even cut one number right or play two songs without Duff's guidance for the beat live on drugs. World of difference.

I would say he has been functioning since he has been sober which has been his state for four years, that is if we are taking the description of an ''addict'' to indicate permanency of addiction regardless of current sobriety (which is not an opinion I subscribe to but I'm willing to go along with it for sake of argument). McKagan was addicted to prescription drugs during Velvet Revolver, and it wasn't that long ago that Slash had a defibrillator. 

Heck, Slash's boozy car ride to Rose's Malibu gaffe - when was that, 2005ish? That was not that long ago. 

Fact,

- Guns N' Roses's fame was achieved by four addicts (and a nutter).

- Adler was neither the first heroin addict (Izzy was), nor initially the worst.

- That band, consisting of three of those same addicts still indulging in their addictions, sacked that fourth addict for his addiction.

- As with Adler, two of those addicts have had their periods of sobriety followed by relapses, stretching well past the millennium. They have both had their near-death experiences and health repercussions, exploding organs, defibrillators, hollowed out cocaine noses, etc.

The sacking of Adler was nothing less than gross hypocrisy.   

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Just now, DieselDaisy said:

I would say he has been functioning since he has been sober which has been his state for four years, that is if we are taking the description of an ''addict'' to indicate permanency of addiction regardless of current sobriety (which is not an opinion I subscribe to but I'm willing to go along with it for sake of argument). McKagan was addicted to prescription drugs during Velvet Revolver, and it wasn't that long ago that Slash had a defibrillator. 

Heck, Slash's boozy car ride to Rose's Malibu gaffe - when was that, 2005ish? That was not that long ago. 

Fact,

- Guns N' Roses's fame was achieved by four addicts (and a nutter).

- Adler was neither the first heroin addict (Izzy was), nor initially the worst.

- That band, consisting of three of those same addicts still indulging in their addictions, sacked that fourth addict for his addiction.

- As with Adler, two of those addicts have had their periods of sobriety followed by relapses, stretching well past the millennium. They have both had their near-death experiences and health repercussions, exploding organs, defibrillators, hollowed out cocaine noses, etc.

The sacking of Adler was nothing less than gross hypocrisy.   

 

How long would sobriety last when dealing with the pressure of a massive world tour though? Because that's what a reunion is. Pressure to please thousands of people and being in every big city on the planet. Ever dealt with an addict? The whole point of addiction for most of them is to escape pressure. I would wager Steven's sobriety would not last long on a full length tour.

-The band weren't that big of drug addicts when they first got big, or when they recorded AFD to put more of a fine point on it because they simply didn't have the money to be spending it all on drugs
 

-Okay, and how did heroin addiction effect Izzy versus Steven? You can have two people take the same drug and get the opposite results.
 

-The band, consisting three of those same addicts still indulging, sacked the fourth because the fourth's addiction had gotten to the point where he was a non-functioning member of the band. The others were addicted to drugs but it had not impeded their ability to create in the studio or play live. Evidently in the case of Steven, heroin destroyed his ability and the band were not in the position to wait another year trying to get him clean enough to play. 

The sacking of Steven was necessary for the survival of the band past 1990. We might never have seen the UYIs come out if he had remained. Just as the sacking of Brian Jones was necessary for the Rolling Stones to continue into the 1970s. Very similar situations in a lot of ways. 

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11 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

I would say he has been functioning since he has been sober which has been his state for four years, that is if we are taking the description of an ''addict'' to indicate permanency of addiction regardless of current sobriety (which is not an opinion I subscribe to but I'm willing to go along with it for sake of argument). McKagan was addicted to prescription drugs during Velvet Revolver, and it wasn't that long ago that Slash had a defibrillator. 

Heck, Slash's boozy car ride to Rose's Malibu gaffe - when was that, 2005ish? That was not that long ago. 

Fact,

- Guns N' Roses's fame was achieved by four addicts (and a nutter).

- Adler was neither the first heroin addict (Izzy was), nor initially the worst.

- That band, consisting of three of those same addicts still indulging in their addictions, sacked that fourth addict for his addiction.

- As with Adler, two of those addicts have had their periods of sobriety followed by relapses, stretching well past the millennium. They have both had their near-death experiences and health repercussions, exploding organs, defibrillators, hollowed out cocaine noses, etc.

The sacking of Adler was nothing less than gross hypocrisy.   

And needed in order to complete the illusions recordings and to tour the world for the coming years...

Why do you choose to deliberately leave out key pieces?

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3 minutes ago, Fashionista said:

How long would sobriety last when dealing with the pressure of a massive world tour though? Because that's what a reunion is. Pressure to please thousands of people and being in every big city on the planet. Ever dealt with an addict? The whole point of addiction for most of them is to escape pressure. I would wager Steven's sobriety would not last long on a full length tour.

I wouldn't take that wager.

3 minutes ago, Fashionista said:

-The band weren't that big of drug addicts when they first got big, or when they recorded AFD to put more of a fine point on it because they simply didn't have the money to be spending it all on drugs

Garbage. Stradlin was on the junk as early as Hollywood Rose Days. Ever heard that story of Slash and Izzy frantically trying to find junk in LA before that Johnny Thunders show they played, just making the gig in time - that was '87 ish. Slash sold his first Les Paul for junk - that was '85-6.

5 minutes ago, Fashionista said:

-Okay, and how did heroin addiction effect Izzy versus Steven? You can have two people take the same drug and get the opposite results.

Switch Izzy, whose path to sobriety was far swifter, for Slash and Duff and throw that question back at you.

6 minutes ago, Fashionista said:

-The band, consisting three of those same addicts still indulging, sacked the fourth because the fourth's addiction had gotten to the point where he was a non-functioning member of the band. The others were addicted to drugs but it had not impeded their ability to create in the studio or play live. Evidently in the case of Steven, heroin destroyed his ability and the band were not in the position to wait another year trying to get him clean enough to play. 

The sacking of Steven was necessary for the survival of the band past 1990. We might never have seen the UYIs come out if he had remained. Just as the sacking of Brian Jones was necessary for the Rolling Stones to continue into the 1970s. Very similar situations in a lot of ways. 

I wouldn't say Slash clinically dying for x minutes in a lift is a symbol of a ''functioning'' addict, nor running around naked from little devils or demons. McKagan openly admits to fluffing his basslines at an Illusion show in his book. 

The band barely limped on regardless. It was over by 1993. 

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@DieselDaisy About Slash n’ Duff’s addiction...How many tours did they have to cancel to return to rehab?

 

About Adler..How many tours he did in this 4 years of sobriety?

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37 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

As opposed to two alcoholic-drug addicts currently in the band?

They're clean now, and have been for the better part of two decades, haven't they? Also, as mentioned, at their very worst, 25 years ago, they were functioning addicts. I get it, you have to try to pick apart any incident you can from Slash or Duff in the last 25 years to make them seem just as bad as the guy who was thrown out because he couldn't function and spent about 30 years showing everyone why, time and time again. 

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21 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

I would say he has been functioning since he has been sober which has been his state for four years, that is if we are taking the description of an ''addict'' to indicate permanency of addiction regardless of current sobriety (which is not an opinion I subscribe to but I'm willing to go along with it for sake of argument). McKagan was addicted to prescription drugs during Velvet Revolver, and it wasn't that long ago that Slash had a defibrillator. 

Heck, Slash's boozy car ride to Rose's Malibu gaffe - when was that, 2005ish? That was not that long ago. 

Fact,

- Guns N' Roses's fame was achieved by four addicts (and a nutter).

- Adler was neither the first heroin addict (Izzy was), nor initially the worst.

- That band, consisting of three of those same addicts still indulging in their addictions, sacked that fourth addict for his addiction.

- As with Adler, two of those addicts have had their periods of sobriety followed by relapses, stretching well past the millennium. They have both had their near-death experiences and health repercussions, exploding organs, defibrillators, hollowed out cocaine noses, etc.

The sacking of Adler was nothing less than gross hypocrisy.   

What season of Celebrity Rehab were Duff and Slash on?

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10 minutes ago, Modano09 said:

They're clean now, and have been for the better part of two decades, haven't they? Also, as mentioned, at their very worst, 25 years ago, they were functioning addicts. I get it, you have to try to pick apart any incident you can from Slash or Duff in the last 25 years to make them seem just as bad as the guy who was thrown out because he couldn't function and spent about 30 years showing everyone why, time and time again. 

Slash was certainly boozing until 05ish, and possibly later, and Duff was pill-popping during Velvet Revolver, so I think you need to shorten your arbitrary time period.

10 minutes ago, Modano09 said:

What season of Celebrity Rehab were Duff and Slash on?

I imagine their episode would have been equally as embarrassing as Adler's, exploding pancreases and all. 

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11 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

and Duff was pill-popping during Velvet Revolver

Duff example isn't a good one, for two weeks he got high on Xanax during a Velvet Revolver tour and as far as we know, that has been his only slip up since he got clean and sober in 1994, and he hasn't been boozing or doing coke since that year.

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26 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

I wouldn't take that wager.

Garbage. Stradlin was on the junk as early as Hollywood Rose Days. Ever heard that story of Slash and Izzy frantically trying to find junk in LA before that Johnny Thunders show they played, just making the gig in time - that was '87 ish. Slash sold his first Les Paul for junk - that was '85-6.

Switch Izzy, whose path to sobriety was far swifter, for Slash and Duff and throw that question back at you.

I wouldn't say Slash clinically dying for x minutes in a lift is a symbol of a ''functioning'' addict, nor running around naked from little devils or demons. McKagan openly admits to fluffing his basslines at an Illusion show in his book. 

The band barely limped on regardless. It was over by 1993. 

 

Again, how much did drug use impede their ability to PLAY though? To make music? It seems not to have effected Slash, Duff & Izzy's ability to produce music from 1987 to 1993. What did Steven do the entirety of the 90s after being sacked? Even Duff was able to compile an album of his own at arguably the height of his addiction in 1993.

That's an acute overdose situation. He wasn't dying everyday, and he went on stage and played the very next day. 

Barely limped on? They had a second renaissance of their career in 1992 when NR took off. It was over because of Axl's desire to musically transform the band into something it was not, and his acting like a dictator to achieve that end, which made it be over. It had very little to do with drugs.

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"all things considered"...

this topic paid off a lot ... and went too far ...

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1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said:

Slash was certainly boozing until 05ish, and possibly later, and Duff was pill-popping during Velvet Revolver, so I think you need to shorten your arbitrary time period.

I imagine their episode would have been equally as embarrassing as Adler's, exploding pancreases and all. 

Did they have Celebrity Rehab in 1994? Slash and Duff missed out on things like celebrity rehab because they didn't maintain their trashwreck, addict lifestyle well into the 2000's when celebrity reality shows were trendy. 

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36 minutes ago, Modano09 said:

Did they have Celebrity Rehab in 1994? Slash and Duff missed out on things like celebrity rehab because they didn't maintain their trashwreck, addict lifestyle well into the 2000's when celebrity reality shows were trendy. 

Yes they did. 

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Am I reading a ridiculous argument like someone is not a drugaddict only because they were not featured in a reality tv show??? :facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm:

 

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45 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Am I reading a ridiculous argument like someone is not a drugaddict only because they were not featured in a reality tv show??? :facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm:

 

No I'm saying they were all drug addicts/abusers but one of them was such a shameless trainwreck he was doing reality shows about it 20 years later. 

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13 minutes ago, Modano09 said:

No I'm saying they were all drug addicts/abusers but one of them was such a shameless trainwreck he was doing reality shows about it 20 years later. 

it makes sense what you say.
a good opportunity to close the subject, and who knows the topic.

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News outlets like Loudwire are finally picking up on it

Not many are actually showing sympathy toward Adler, more that it makes him publicly look like a crybaby regarding the situation.  I have to agree.  His mind is trapped in the 80's, and he needs to move on.

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4 hours ago, Fashionista said:

 

There's a difference. Slash and Duff were functioning addicts. Steven couldn't even cut one number right or play two songs without Duff's guidance for the beat live on drugs. World of difference.

That was like 1990

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49 minutes ago, Modano09 said:

No I'm saying they were all drug addicts/abusers but one of them was such a shameless trainwreck he was doing reality shows about it 20 years later. 

Right. And there's another one who was such a shameless train wreck he replaced every member of his original band until one day they all showed up on MTV looking like freaks and the audience was like WTF WHAT'S THIS CIRCUS? and he had to shelf himself for quite some years, although later he became a Vegas act in a flying piano...... I've heard the Cirque Du Soleil was interested at some point :facepalm:

Not sure what kind of drugs make you act like a clown, but yeah.

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3 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

Slash was certainly boozing until 05ish, and possibly later, and Duff was pill-popping during Velvet Revolver, so I think you need to shorten your arbitrary time period.

I imagine their episode would have been equally as embarrassing as Adler's, exploding pancreases and all. 

Not only boozing but didn't he write about shooting up while in VR?

22 minutes ago, Gackt said:

News outlets like Loudwire are finally picking up on it

Not many are actually showing sympathy toward Adler, more that it makes him publicly look like a crybaby regarding the situation.  I have to agree.  His mind is trapped in the 80's, and he needs to move on.

Screwing Steven and Izzy out of the reunion didn't happen in the 80's.. It was 2016.

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4 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

- That band, consisting of three of those same addicts still indulging in their addictions, sacked that fourth addict for his addiction.

No.

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