Sosso Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 41 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: I think we can give Adler a reprieve for not correctly enumerating the nugnr cast-list. One needs a Master's Degree to acquaint one's self with the intricacies of nugn'r's amorphous personnel department! But he actually performed live with them at some of their gigs. Is it really that hard to remember names? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Blackstar said: "Who are these unknown people?" Is she covering her breasts - or non-breasts - with solely her hair? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auad Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Sosso said: #BringPitmanBack The sound of the band became a mess. In fact, IMO, the band only needs Dizzy as a keyboardist, and yet not in all songs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sosso Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Just now, auad said: The sound of the band became a mess. In fact, IMO, the band only needs Dizzy as a keyboardist, and yet not in all songs. I don't understand that argument. Most of the people are complaining that the second keyboarists (Teddy "Zig Zag, Chris, Melissa) are inaudible but at the same time they are messing up the bands sound? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Live Like a Suicide Posted April 12, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 12, 2018 (edited) Let's be realists here. 1) Steven and Izzy ceased being members of the band prior to the business deal involving Slash/Duff/Axl as partners in Guns N' Roses. They therefore do not have the same negotiation leverage as Slash/Duff/Axl in deciding matters relating to the band that is Guns N' Roses. 2) Steven and Izzy could be expected to play the complete Appetite set and some UYI songs. Frank and Richard have been in the band for years and already know how to play those songs and more. There would have been significant re-training required. 3) Whether or not it is true, Steven and Izzy are traditionally considered unreliable. Izzy for not enjoying the tours and disappearing at odd times, and Steven for flaking out and relapsing. Frank and Richard are safer bets. 3) There is no incentive to bring Steven and Izzy on full-time. The tour sold anyway, and bringing them on would mean Slash/Duff/Axl would have had to pay more out of their ROI and put up with potential crises. Does it suck that Steven and Izzy don't have larger roles in Guns N' Roses? Absolutely. However, i think it makes sense from a strictly business and security point of view to keep Frank and Richard for the tour, rather than Steven and Izzy. Melissa is a moot point considering she replaced Pitman. She adds some things to Guns N' Roses, but i think her place is not comparable to Frank's and Richard's. Edited April 12, 2018 by Live Like a Suicide 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 23 minutes ago, Sosso said: #BringPitmanBack Wait... is the hidden end of that chain clipped onto his nipple? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwick1 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 I forced myself to read the entire interview. Ugh! Such a falsely entitled cry baby. If I have to read one more time how great his band and lead singer are, I'm going to scream. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jekylhyde Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 10 hours ago, auad said: On topic: Looking back at Steven's track record of handling himself in difficult and stressful situations, it's no wonder they didn't want him on board full time. It would've been cool to get an AFD5 reunion, but when you look at the work ethic of the Big Three and then you look at the work ethic of Izzy and Steven, it becomes clear why Izzy and Steven aren't there full time. Hope they do a lot of guest spots in the coming years and maybe join the band again if everything falls into place, but for now, I, myself as fan, am happy with the current line up. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidman69 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 yeah he's not coming back anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr-fukaji Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 3 hours ago, DieselDaisy said: Imagine the Kiss reunion in 1996 and you have Peter Criss appearing for two songs before departing That sounds perfect 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Graeme Posted April 12, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Blackstar said: "Who are these unknown people?" I'm sure they were really welcoming to him. There's nothing worse than throwing someone's kindness back in their face, especially in public. What a dishonourable embarrassment of a man he is. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 19 minutes ago, mr-fukaji said: That sounds perfect Criss's arms weren't buggered then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stress Fracture Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Steven’s entitled to have his say. So long as he realises he’s just talked himself out of any future appearances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby845 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 I don't believe Gilby was offered a guest appearance - that's just plain stupid... As for Izzy - as much as he is right - he shouldn't be defended that much. Is it THAT hard to swallow your ego and APPEAR at ONE appearance along with Adler? No one really needed Steven full time - they could have used him along with Sorum - they would play for change. Kick out Melissa and use her salary for these tow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 3 hours ago, Sosso said: #BringPitmanBack it looks like he just came out of a gay club 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourteenbeers Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 (edited) Unless Steven has developed mind-reading skills, he can only speak for himself. My guess is that Izzy is done with Gn'R for good (and is not heartbroken in any way) I would've loved seeing the classic lineup live (I've never have) but no amount of interviews with Steven is going to make it happen. 1 hour ago, starlight said: it looks like he just came out of a gay club Edited April 12, 2018 by Fourteenbeers 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AncientEvil80 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 4 hours ago, Gackt said: Don't bully Melissa! Adler's got some issues, and I doubt Izzy shares these hot opinions. Sorum deserved to be up on stage with the band at some point on NITL just as much as, if not more than Adler did. MORE? GTFOH please... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlRoseCDII Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Ah. Everytime this gets discussed on this forum I never really know who's position I take. Quite often I seem to get shit from both sides . It's a lose-lose situation. On one hand, Steven was the original drummer. The songs, with an almost unanimous opinion among Guns fans, sound better with him on them in comparison to Frank. I get it. In a perfect world, he should be up there. But this isn't a perfect world. Adler is a liability and as much I wish he could part of it, I understand logistically why he can't. Before I get any angry replies, this is not hate. It is a pure fact that Steven would have brought some level of drama to this tour. Look how many times a year in '16, '17, and '18 he complained in some form or fashion about the current Guns lineup. These articles pop up every few weeks. This is not the type of tour that needs drama surrounding it. Unfortunately, the Guns situation since 1997 is "you either agree with it and deal or your you cannot be in the band." Not only that but Frank, as much as I don't like his sound, is a person who has been in the band for a decade, chosen by Axl (and debatebly Slash and Duff for the purposes of this reunion tour) and has performed on the newest record and live DVD. He is very much a member of this band and it would be unlikely Axl, whom is very loyal to his friends and bandmates, would give him the boot for Adler, who is arguably a major risk and isn't even on the greatest terms with him. I think they actually made the right decision to give him guest performances here and there (excluding the South America fiasco which was pure mistreatment and I'll easily give the Adler-side that point). It's somewhat of a middle ground. The big 3, while their main focus may be monetary, know better than any of us unfortunately. They know all the facts and they know Adler a person more than any of us will. It sucks, but it's time to move on and accept it for what it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AncientEvil80 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 While I don't agree with the "frankness" of his outing the 3 aliens so publicly, you all know he's damn right. As for Izzy... hmm, where's Izzy? 🤔😬😁 Doubt he's heartbroken, but surely displeased. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 6 hours ago, Oldest Goat said: He's right. No he's not. He's just speaking his mind about people in his own life and his own situation. He shouldn't be allowed. Maybe he shouldn't if he wants to be strategic but that's up to him. He shouldn't need permission. Axl is GNR Steven is just a drummer and drug addict. No, Axl is a big part of GNR but GNR is GNR. You're all entitled. I WANT A FUCKING NEW ALBUM ALREADY. Out of likes.👏👏👏👏 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhazUp Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 I wonder what happened behind closed doors during the 2015/2016 negotiations, I would love to know. Until then I am here not about to cast judgement on Adler/Izzy or the big 3, although I can easily imagine the types of disagreements that were had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alejandro GNR Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 IMHO I believe Izzy is irreplaceable, while Sorum would make most of us forget about Steven. I'm hoping to see Izzy at some point. I've seen Steven here in Argentina and it was great, but I'm not holding my breath for him to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 4 hours ago, Blackstar said: "Who are these unknown people?" Good one@Blackstar!👏 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MildlyArtistic Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Wow, Steven's really determined to blow through any goodwill Axl, Slash, and Duff have for him. Maybe he should consider the idea that the fact he runs his mouth so regularly is a big part of why they don't want him around? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janrichmond Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 1 hour ago, starlight said: it looks like he just came out of a gay club Is he gay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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