Sydney Fan Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 12 hours ago, default_ said: It would be great if Zakk had joined them, Zakk is extremelly prolific and versatile, one of the best modern rock writters out there. At the time he was into some amazing southern heavy blues trip that a year before was released as Pride&Glory, one of the best post 80's rock albums ever released as well as the amazing job HE did with Ozzy's No More Tears, which is also my fav Ozzy album and is like 90% a Zakk Wylde baby. As for these sessions, I believe they did create some demos as Duff says on his book, there was a piano song written by Zakk, and Zakk himself said most of the first Black Label Society ideas came from the GNR sessions. Its cool to note that Zakk and Slash had similar playing and writting styles at the time and what you hear on BLS album is probably an "evolution" of what he did while jamming those ideias with GNR, not the exact thing as he adds heavy distortion and fuzz effects to the riffs and I dont really think they'd use that kind of effects with GNR. Talkin about riffs, there are some AMAZING hard rock riffs at that album that I think worked by the GNR guys could've made an amazing GNR record. Plus Zakk is a piano guy, he loves it and I think he would be a great help on Axl songs, elevating them. Zakk is great. I always hate the pinch harmonics he does. Its ok here and there but he does it on every song. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Fan Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 11 hours ago, Blackstar said: Yeah, through management which was also Zakk's management (Dougie). But it also (and mostly) fell apart because Slash didn't want Zakk. He liked him as a guitarist, but didn't want him in the band (the two leads thing). It would have been a judas priest type thing which was never slashs deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vloors Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Like slash said in his book it didnt work because they were constantly both trying to play lead. He wanted more of a background 2nd guitar player like the role izzy or gilby played. Example A below of how it would of turned out. Their two different styles just dont mesh in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 GNR needed to swing! Replacing Steven with Matt was a hit to that, losing Izzy was a hit to that. Zakk would have made them into a poor mans Thrash band I reckon... and I don't think Slash is a harmony dual attack type guitarist.... Axl's voice was quickly losing it's balls to the wall abilities. It didn't happen 'cause it didn't work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fashionista Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 19 minutes ago, Ant said: GNR needed to swing! Replacing Steven with Matt was a hit to that, losing Izzy was a hit to that. Zakk would have made them into a poor mans Thrash band I reckon... and I don't think Slash is a harmony dual attack type guitarist.... Axl's voice was quickly losing it's balls to the wall abilities. It didn't happen 'cause it didn't work! They swung just fine w/o Steven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludurigan Posted April 20, 2018 Author Share Posted April 20, 2018 58 minutes ago, Fashionista said: They swung just fine w/o Steven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 (edited) Matt The Metronome Sorum doesn't swing, man... I know he looked like an ape with a perm but swinging was not in his arsenal. Edited April 20, 2018 by Ant 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AXL_N_DIZZY Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 (edited) Interesting era. Perhaps a “bigger n’ louder” post-UYI Guns to punch back at the Metallica’s of the world. Unfortunately, just seems like the band was too “stuck in neutral” to seriously pursue it (or anything else)... Edited April 20, 2018 by AXL_N_DIZZY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Nygma Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Maybe it was blessing in disguise that it never came to be. Can you imagine the solo spots? They would go on for a lifetime, either guy slipping some $$$'s to the lighting guys for that little bit extra spotlight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auad Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 it is true. who never came across the web with demo tracks of these jams ... with titles like these: "jam73_009_duffs_house_OnlY_Bass_N_Drums009", or "jam02_003_duffs_house_Guitars_Solos004". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fashionista Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 12 hours ago, Ant said: Matt The Metronome Sorum doesn't swing, man... I know he looked like an ape with a perm but swinging was not in his arsenal. One of the most genuinely groovy GN'R tracks in the 70s sense of the word. Not their best but arguably their most Stones-esque and Matt is no impediment here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourteenbeers Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 (edited) On 19.4.2018 at 8:51 AM, Sydney Fan said: I always hate the pinch harmonics he does. Its ok here and there but he does it on every song. And many times during a song, it's annoying as fuck. Edited April 20, 2018 by Fourteenbeers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metallex78 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 If Zakk was bringing in some ideas along the lines of what he did with Ozzy on No Rest for the Wicked, or No More Tears, it might’ve been an interesting mix with Slash. But he was probably all about his boring downtuned BLS sludge by then. And if that’s the case, I’m glad nothing came of it. Sure, Zakk can shred, but these days he can’t write a decent song to save his life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
default_ Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Lol people saying Zakk would turn GNR into a souless thrash band sure doesnt know what Zakk was about at the time. Zakk turned into that kind of metal years after his time with GNR, at the time he was all about hard rock n roll. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackrose87 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 6 hours ago, Sunset Boulevard said: FORTUS is the perfect guy : He is out of this world both on Rythm and Lead guitar. An absolute genius. He can play everything with the right feel. The perfect fit. To me, the Slash/Fortus combo on guitar is the best ever in Guns N' Roses. So much potential. I'm thrilled to hear new material with these two guys. Gonna be waiting a while for that one pal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metallex78 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, default_ said: Lol people saying Zakk would turn GNR into a souless thrash band sure doesnt know what Zakk was about at the time. Zakk turned into that kind of metal years after his time with GNR, at the time he was all about hard rock n roll. The first Black Label Society sounds exactly like that though, and that wasn’t too long after his stint with GNR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
default_ Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 (edited) Zakk was still with PRIDE&GLORY and the Book of Shadows project at the time, that and the sound on No More Tears would probably be closer, but Zakk wouldnt just come and change the sound of the band, thats not how it works. But even if he was going to have this kind of influence, as said before, if you take off some distortion and fuzz from the Sonic Brew riffs and just give it some overdrive, you have perfect hard rock n roll riffs that would do great rock n roll songs. BLS happened years later. Edited April 20, 2018 by default_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony adler Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Matt could hold a good monstrous beat , but he couldn’t swing from a chandelier , what u newbies don’t get is , GNR was built on brotherhood , musical abilities , and a strong belief in working together, You make a good point ‘default’, stripped down I’m sure zakk had the talent , otherwise axl would never even have jammed with him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony adler Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 ‘Road to nowhere ‘ was and is my favorite ozzy and zakk collaboration ( I was 18 and had life to go)!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphelmo Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Dave Kushner confirming VR recorded eight songs with Corey Taylor is more exciting to me. Those demos Zakk talks about are actual songs now in various bands, I'm pretty sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
default_ Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 (edited) For those who arent familiar with Zakk and only thinks he is a "thrasher", just listen to this 2004 song: And this 2016 one: I strongely believe that, had Zakk joined, even if Slash got out at some point GNR would be Ok! Edited April 21, 2018 by default_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 There was just too much low slung legs akimbo les paul wielding hairy buggers for one band. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Nah as Slash said two lead guitarists it's not the right thing for a band like Guns n' Roses. And Slash himself is irreplacebale. Anyway I wish we could hear those demos one day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F*ck Fear Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 I'm happy he didn't join Guns. Zakk is awesome and the first 4 or 5 Black Label records absolutely rock! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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