Popular Post vincevenom Posted May 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2018 (edited) Not sure if this is the right section for this, but anyway, thought it was a nice article. Most of the things are known facts to any fan, although I was surprised to learn that Bon Jovi tried to hire Izzy, heh. https://www.wsj.com/articles/guns-n-roses-rakes-in-millions-on-reunion-tour-but-its-missing-mr-invisible-1527429349 Guns N’ Roses Rakes in Millions on Reunion Tour, but It’s Missing ‘Mr. Invisible’ Izzy Stradlin, a founding member of the rock group, mystifies fans with his low profile; ‘he likes to be untethered’ By Neil Shah May 27, 2018 9:55 a.m. ET 11 COMMENTS At the height of Guns N’ Roses’ fame, rhythm guitarist Izzy Stradlin cut such an understated figure that lead singer Axl Rose referred to him as “Mr. Invisible.” More than 25 years later, the band is back together for “Not in This Lifetime…,” a multiyear, globe-spanning reunion tour which, according to Billboard, is the highest-grossing in history. But it is missing Mr. Stradlin, whose songwriting contributed to hits like “Sweet Child O’ Mine” and “Patience.” “He wrote half the stuff,” said Rick Nielsen, guitarist for rock band Cheap Trick. “It was Izzy’s f—ing band,” said former Guns N’ Roses manager Alan Niven, who later worked directly for Mr. Stradlin. In his 2011 autobiography, Guns N’ Roses bassist Duff McKagan wrote that “Izzy was probably the most significant force” in the group. Mr. Stradlin, now 56 years old and living in Ojai, Calif., resigned from Guns N’ Roses in 1991. By some measures, he has kept much busier than his former band, quietly releasing nine studio albums between 1999 and 2010. (Guns N’ Roses released one over the same period.) His low profile and absence from a reunion tour for a group he helped found, however, mystify his fans and associates. The band he formed after Guns N’ Roses, the Ju Ju Hounds, broke up after one album, and his solo efforts have flown under the radar, in part because he doesn’t tour. “The current GNR tour has been a great success for the guys. My nonparticipation was simply not being able to reach a happy middle ground through the negotiation process,” Mr. Stradlin said in an email. “That’s life, sometimes things don’t work out.” He didn’t respond to further inquiries. Fernando Lebeis, manager for Guns N’ Roses, declined to comment on the tour negotiations but said “Izzy is a dear friend.” Mr. Stradlin, now 56 years old and living in Ojai, Calif., resigned from Guns N’ Roses in 1991. By some measures, he has kept much busier than his former band, quietly releasing nine studio albums between 1999 and 2010. (Guns N’ Roses released one over the same period.) His low profile and absence from a reunion tour for a group he helped found, however, mystify his fans and associates. The band he formed after Guns N’ Roses, the Ju Ju Hounds, broke up after one album, and his solo efforts have flown under the radar, in part because he doesn’t tour. “The current GNR tour has been a great success for the guys. My nonparticipation was simply not being able to reach a happy middle ground through the negotiation process,” Mr. Stradlin said in an email. “That’s life, sometimes things don’t work out.” He didn’t respond to further inquiries. Fernando Lebeis, manager for Guns N’ Roses, declined to comment on the tour negotiations but said “Izzy is a dear friend.” Mr. Stradlin, born Jeff Isbell, began his music career in 1980, when he moved from Lafayette, Ind., to Los Angeles, followed by his childhood friend, Mr. Rose. Mr. Stradlin joined punk and metal bands, delivered the L.A. Weekly and used heroin, according to people who worked with him and his own accounts. Guns N’ Roses formed in 1985. The band’s 1987 album, “Appetite for Destruction,” which featured Mr. Stradlin’s songwriting and raw, loose guitar-playing, sold 8 million copies in the U.S. by 1989, according to the Recording Industry Association of America. It is set for reissue in June. Mr. Stradlin’s addiction worsened as the band’s popularity soared, according to former colleagues. After he was arrested for urinating in the galley of a plane, Mr. Stradlin gave up drinking and drugs on Dec. 15, 1989, he said in a 2006 interview with digital-music distributor TuneCore. Guns N’ Roses finished its double album “Use Your Illusion” and went on tour in 1991. Mr. Stradlin, attempting to stay sober, distanced himself from his rowdier bandmates, according to former colleagues. But he continued to be frustrated by their behavior, including Mr. Rose’s late appearances at concerts, the colleagues said. Mr. Stradlin quit on or around Sept. 9, 1991, a week before the release of “Use Your Illusion,” according to documents reviewed by The Wall Street Journal. His departure was announced Nov. 7. “It was such a major change,” Guns N’ Roses guitarist Slash wrote in his memoir. “But to the outside world it was a nonevent.” Mr. Stradlin reconnected with old friends in Lafayette. Soon after, he formed a new band, enlisting Los Angeles bassist Jimmy Ashhurst, and signed a two-album deal with Guns N’ Roses’ label, Geffen Records. His vision, according to bandmates: A scaled-back, drama-free group that played rootsy rock in clubs and theaters. Joined by Bob Dylan drummer Charlie Quintana and guitarist Rick Richards of Atlanta’s Georgia Satellites, Mr. Stradlin in 1992 released “Izzy Stradlin and the Ju Ju Hounds,” to warm reviews. “Shuffle It All,” its biggest single, reached No. 6 on Billboard’s rock chart that year. The band enjoyed touring abroad. But in the U.S., journalists dogged Mr. Stradlin with questions about Guns N’ Roses. A tour with Keith Richards didn’t happen; an offer from Bon Jovi was rejected. “Bon Jovi chased him high and low,” said Mr. Niven, who managed Mr. Stradlin at the time. “Izzy’s attitude was, very bluntly, I’d rather play clubs.” Representatives for Bon Jovi and Mr. Richards said they didn’t remember the details of the tours. Touring wasn’t easy for Mr. Stradlin. A well-known addiction specialist, Bob Timmins, was hired to help him, says Steve White, Mr. Stradlin’s former road manager. “He was still fighting off the addiction,” Mr. White said. Mr. Timmins died in 2008. A spokesman for his foundation declined to comment on his work with Mr. Stradlin. Mr. Stradlin’s bandmates tried to respect his sobriety. When Mr. Quintana drank during a 1992 recording session with Rolling Stones guitarist Ron Wood, for example, he put his red wine in a coffee cup, Mr. Quintana said in a 2016 interview. “He wanted a healthy band.” (Mr. Quintana died in March.) Mr. Ashhurst remembered inadvertently upsetting Mr. Stradlin by smoking a joint on a tour bus. “I wish I could take that back, but I can’t,” he said. The Ju Ju Hounds broke up in 1994 while recording its second album. The band members were working at the Caribbean Sound Basin studio in Trinidad, taking breaks to travel, surf and scuba-dive. Early that year, Mr. Ashhurst called in after a diving trip and was told Mr. Stradlin had left the country. Confused, he eventually found Mr. Stradlin in a coffee shop in Copenhagen. “I don’t think he appreciated being tracked down,” Mr. Ashhurst said. Mr. Stradlin wanted to get away from the pressures of the music business, current and former colleagues said, but they also cited friction between Mr. Stradlin and Mr. Ashhurst over drugs. Mr. Ashhurst said he later became addicted to heroin, but not during his time with the Ju Ju Hounds. In his email, Mr. Stradlin said “the Ju Ju Hounds was a great band.” He released his second Geffen album, “117˚,” in 1998, with Rick Richards, his Guns N’ Roses colleague Mr. McKagan and former Reverend Horton Heat drummer Taz Bentley. For later albums, instead of working with a label or management, Mr. Stradlin released them independently through digital distributors like TuneCore. He has little interest in promotional activities, bandmates say. “It’s just basically 11 records that nobody knows about,” Mr. Bentley said. These days, Mr. Stradlin wakes up early, mountain-bikes, surfs and travels with his longtime girlfriend, Rick Richards said. “He likes to be untethered.” According to a 1992 interview in Musician magazine, Mr. Stradlin said getting a dog helped to “keep my perspective, see life through a dog’s eyes. You’re doing all right if you’ve got food, a place to sleep and someone to pet you.” Write to Neil Shah at neil.shah@wsj.com Edited May 27, 2018 by vincevenom 9 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tori72 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 11 minutes ago, vincevenom said: Not sure if this is the right section for this, but anyway, thought it was a nice article. Most of the things are known facts to any fan, although I was surprised to learn that Bon Jovi tried to hire Izzy, heh. https://www.wsj.com/articles/guns-n-roses-rakes-in-millions-on-reunion-tour-but-its-missing-mr-invisible-1527429349 Thank you. Can’t read the article though, have to pay for it? Probably is the new EU law thingy. If it’s free for you, could you copy-past the text in here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NovemberPain Posted May 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2018 Guns N’ Roses Rakes in Millions on Reunion Tour, but It’s Missing ‘Mr. Invisible’ Izzy Stradlin, a founding member of the rock group, mystifies fans with his low profile; ‘he likes to be untethered’ At the height of Guns N’ Roses’ fame, rhythm guitarist Izzy Stradlin cut such an understated figure that lead singer Axl Rose referred to him as “Mr. Invisible.” More than 25 years later, the band is back together for “Not in This Lifetime…,” a multiyear, globe-spanning reunion tour which, according to Billboard, is the highest-grossing in history. But it is missing Mr. Stradlin, whose songwriting contributed to hits like “Sweet Child O’ Mine” and “Patience.” “He wrote half the stuff,” said Rick Nielsen, guitarist for rock band Cheap Trick. “It was Izzy’s f—ing band,” said former Guns N’ Roses manager Alan Niven, who later worked directly for Mr. Stradlin. In his 2011 autobiography, Guns N’ Roses bassist Duff McKagan wrote that “Izzy was probably the most significant force” in the group. A year after leaving Guns N’ Roses, Mr. Stradlin released ‘Izzy Stradlin and the Ju Ju Hounds,’ an album that blends Rolling Stones-influenced rock, punk and reggae. Mr. Stradlin, now 56 years old and living in Ojai, Calif., resigned from Guns N’ Roses in 1991. By some measures, he has kept much busier than his former band, quietly releasing nine studio albums between 1999 and 2010. (Guns N’ Roses released one over the same period.) His low profile and absence from a reunion tour for a group he helped found, however, mystify his fans and associates. The band he formed after Guns N’ Roses, the Ju Ju Hounds, broke up after one album, and his solo efforts have flown under the radar, in part because he doesn’t tour. “The current GNR tour has been a great success for the guys. My non-participation was simply not being able to reach a happy middle ground through the negotiation process,” Mr. Stradlin said in an email. “That’s life, sometimes things don’t work out.” He didn’t respond to further inquiries. Fernando Lebeis, manager for Guns N’ Roses, declined to comment on the tour negotiations but said “Izzy is a dear friend.” About two minutes into Guns N’ Roses’ ‘Live And Let Die’ video, a milk carton appears showing Mr. Stradlin, who had distanced himself from the band, and the words ‘MISSING.’ Mr. Stradlin, born Jeff Isbell, began his music career in 1980, when he moved from Lafayette, Ind., to Los Angeles, followed by his childhood friend, Mr. Rose. Mr. Stradlin joined punk and metal bands, delivered the L.A. Weekly and used heroin, according to people who worked with him and his own accounts. Guns N’ Roses formed in 1985. The band’s 1987 album, “Appetite for Destruction,” which featured Mr. Stradlin’s songwriting and raw, loose guitar-playing, sold 8 million copies in the U.S. by 1989, according to the Recording Industry Association of America. It is set for reissue in June. Mr. Stradlin’s addiction worsened as the band’s popularity soared, according to former colleagues. After he was arrested for urinating in the galley of a plane, Mr. Stradlin gave up drinking and drugs on Dec. 15, 1989, he said in a 2006 interview with digital-music distributor TuneCore. Guns N’ Roses finished its double album “Use Your Illusion” and went on tour in 1991. Mr. Stradlin, attempting to stay sober, distanced himself from his rowdier bandmates, according to former colleagues. But he continued to be frustrated by their behavior, including Mr. Rose’s late appearances at concerts, the colleagues said. Mr. Stradlin quit on or around Sept. 9, 1991, a week before the release of “Use Your Illusion,” according to documents reviewed by The Wall Street Journal. His departure was announced Nov. 7. “It was such a major change,” Guns N’ Roses guitarist Slash wrote in his memoir. “But to the outside world it was a nonevent.” Mr. Stradlin reconnected with old friends in Lafayette. Soon after, he formed a new band, enlisting Los Angeles bassist Jimmy Ashhurst, and signed a two-album deal with Guns N’ Roses’ label, Geffen Records. His vision, according to bandmates: A scaled-back, drama-free group that played rootsy rock in clubs and theaters. Joined by Bob Dylan drummer Charlie Quintana and guitarist Rick Richards of Atlanta’s Georgia Satellites, Mr. Stradlin in 1992 released “Izzy Stradlin and the Ju Ju Hounds,” to warm reviews. “Shuffle It All,” its biggest single, reached No. 6 on Billboard’s rock chart that year. The band enjoyed touring abroad. But in the U.S., journalists dogged Mr. Stradlin with questions about Guns N’ Roses. A tour with Keith Richards didn’t happen; an offer from Bon Jovi was rejected. “Bon Jovi chased him high and low,” said Mr. Niven, who managed Mr. Stradlin at the time. “Izzy’s attitude was, very bluntly, I’d rather play clubs.” Representatives for Bon Jovi and Mr. Richards said they didn’t remember the details of the tours. Touring wasn’t easy for Mr. Stradlin. A well-known addiction specialist, Bob Timmins, was hired to help him, says Steve White, Mr. Stradlin’s former road manager. “He was still fighting off the addiction,” Mr. White said. Mr. Timmins died in 2008. A spokesman for his foundation declined to comment on his work with Mr. Stradlin. Mr. Stradlin’s bandmates tried to respect his sobriety. When Mr. Quintana drank during a 1992 recording session with Rolling Stones guitarist Ron Wood, for example, he put his red wine in a coffee cup, Mr. Quintana said in a 2016 interview. “He wanted a healthy band.” (Mr. Quintana died in March.) Mr. Ashhurst remembered inadvertently upsetting Mr. Stradlin by smoking a joint on a tour bus. “I wish I could take that back, but I can’t,” he said. The Ju Ju Hounds broke up in 1994 while recording its second album. The band members were working at the Caribbean Sound Basin studio in Trinidad, taking breaks to travel, surf and scuba-dive. Early that year, Mr. Ashhurst called in after a diving trip and was told Mr. Stradlin had left the country. Confused, he eventually found Mr. Stradlin in a coffee shop in Copenhagen. “I don’t think he appreciated being tracked down,” Mr. Ashhurst said. Mr. Stradlin wanted to get away from the pressures of the music business, current and former colleagues said, but they also cited friction between Mr. Stradlin and Mr. Ashhurst over drugs. Mr. Ashhurst said he later became addicted to heroin, but not during his time with the Ju Ju Hounds. In his email, Mr. Stradlin said “the Ju Ju Hounds was a great band.” He released his second Geffen album, “117˚,” in 1998, with Rick Richards, his Guns N’ Roses colleague Mr. McKagan and former Reverend Horton Heat drummer Taz Bentley. For later albums, instead of working with a label or management, Mr. Stradlin released them independently through digital distributors like TuneCore. He has little interest in promotional activities, bandmates say. “It’s just basically 11 records that nobody knows about,” Mr. Bentley said. These days, Mr. Stradlin wakes up early, mountain-bikes, surfs and travels with his longtime girlfriend, Rick Richards said. “He likes to be untethered.” According to a 1992 interview in Musician magazine, Mr. Stradlin said getting a dog helped to “keep my perspective, see life through a dog’s eyes. You’re doing all right if you’ve got food, a place to sleep and someone to pet you.” 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgina Arriaga Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, NovemberPain said: “The current GNR tour has been a great success for the guys. My non-participation was simply not being able to reach a happy middle ground through the negotiation process,” Mr. Stradlin said in an email. “That’s life, sometimes things don’t work out.” He didn’t respond to further inquiries. Fernando Lebeis, manager for Guns N’ Roses, declined to comment on the tour negotiations but said “Izzy is a dear friend.” Thank you very much...Izzy we miss you a lot. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tori72 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Quote “The current GNR tour has been a great success for the guys. My non-participation was simply not being able to reach a happy middle ground through the negotiation process,” Mr. Stradlin said in an email. “That’s life, sometimes things don’t work out.” He didn’t respond to further inquiries. WOW! Izzy answered to the WSJ! I seems cool with everything now and not angry anymore. That’s good for him. I still miss him though. With GnR or with his own band. I wanna see you play, Mr. Stradlin!!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 24 minutes ago, vincevenom said: Not sure if this is the right section for this, but anyway, thought it was a nice article. Most of the things are known facts to any fan, although I was surprised to learn that Bon Jovi tried to hire Izzy, heh. https://www.wsj.com/articles/guns-n-roses-rakes-in-millions-on-reunion-tour-but-its-missing-mr-invisible-1527429349 I read this article, belong "The Wall Street Journal" INDIA not US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spirit Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Ratam said: I read this article, belong "The Wall Street Journal" INDIA not US. What do you mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 15 minutes ago, Spirit said: What do you mean? I guess it means the India edition not the one in the U.S. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spirit Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, Padme said: I guess it means the India edition not the one in the U.S. As far as I can see, the article is available in all editions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, Spirit said: As far as I can see, the article is available in all editions. I was just guessing. I don't know many edition WSJ has. Nor where that article originally comes from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson87 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Here we go again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RageKage Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Izzy fangirls/—boys going mental in 3,2,1... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 52 minutes ago, Padme said: I guess it means the India edition not the one in the U.S. Yes right, at least the article i read Say "The wall Street Journal" INDIA, sure this article is repeat of "WSJ" in every country version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 57 minutes ago, Spirit said: As far as I can see, the article is available in all editions. If you read the journalist surname is of origin INDIA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtle Signs Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, RageKage said: Izzy fangirls/—boys going mental in 3,2,1... I'm not really sure that one can be a gnr fan without being a fan of Izzy or at least respecting his contributions. I guess with the fans I know it's an age thing. Those 40 and above grew up with gnr and Izzy and the younger kids I know never got to see the AFD 5 lineup so they have no attachment to him. I think at the final gnr show in LA in 10 years we'll see the afd5 playing paradise city but the show itself will feature many of the 25 plus gnr alumni. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 18 minutes ago, RageKage said: Izzy fangirls/—boys going mental in 3,2,1... Threads about Izzy generally be much more civilized that about Steven 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post IncitingChaos Posted May 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2018 I’m not happy about this. What piece of sh*t offer did Izzy get that they couldn’t find middle ground on? How was it not possible to find that middle ground...FERNANDO you have some explaining to do! It sounds like it was a “business” decision which makes it even more shitty. I’m not even a huge Izzy fan and I’m pissed about this. If he was willing to do the full tour for a number, I’d give him a blank check and say “write what it’s worth to you”. But im glad the buffets, gyms, private dressing rooms, entourages and plane were worth it. Nice trades for Izzy f’n Stradlin..what a dumbass band this is 5 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post killuridols Posted May 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, IncitingChaos said: I’m not happy about this. What piece of sh*t offer did Izzy get that they couldn’t find middle ground on? How was it not possible to find that middle ground...FERNANDO you have some explaining to do! It sounds like it was a “business” decision which makes it even more shitty. I’m not even a huge Izzy fan and I’m pissed about this. If he was willing to do the full tour for a number, I’d give him a blank check and say “write what it’s worth to you”. But im glad the buffets, gyms, private dressing rooms, entourages and plane were worth it. Nice trades for Izzy f’n Stradlin..what a dumbass band this is There's plenty of money and accommodations for the whole Axl entourage, which consists of only one useful person (Tom Mayhue) and 50 others who scratch their balls backstage for the entire tour. But there's not enough $$$ and goodwill to meet Izzy's requirements, which might just consist of one guitar, a pillow and a blanket Edited May 28, 2018 by killuridols 7 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tori72 Posted May 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2018 It’s interesting (and comforting for me) to read that not the Izzy fanpeople are the first ones to get upset about those news in this thread but „general“ fans of the band and of obviously AfD. It just makes me really sad. Izzy was up for doing a reunion and for money reasons it never happened. That’ such a sad thing to say about a rock band. What happened to five guys playing rock 'n roll? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post IncitingChaos Posted May 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2018 We need an entire thread on wasted cost and people on this tour that prevented Izzy from participating *100ft hd screens *the million dollars to the guy who did the cheap computer animations for each song *the trump piñata *Axl’s 200 person entourage *Fortus *buffets *custom plane *unused gym *microphones to throw into the crowd *jarmo hell they could have played at someone’s wedding and gotten Izzy’s salary for 6 shows. Unless Izzy asked for a 10 figure check then there’s no excuse for him not being there. Someone dropped the ball in negotiations 4 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 This Izzy e-mail puts an end to the hopes that he might turn up for one of the shows. I wish at least both Izzy and the other side said more. It's still very vague what "happy middle ground" means in this situation. Was it only about money or there were other things too, like planning of the tour etc.? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Nygma Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Always thought Izzy was so important to Guns N' Roses during the origins of the band right through till he quit. Wonder how GnR studio sessions went without his creative influence, if Guns ever release another album they need Izzy to sit in during the process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, IncitingChaos said: Someone dropped the ball in negotiations No, someone (Philip Anschultz) offered big money for Axl, Slash & Duff to reunite. Those three simply did not want to split the money equal amongst original members when the offer was already on the table. And had I been in Izzy's shoes, I would tell them to f#ck off aswell. He's part of the reason they are able to play these shows for that kind of money in the first place, having been a creator of the product they're pushing. But I guess having golden swimming pools is more important to some then celebrating the past together. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludurigan Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 17 minutes ago, Blackstar said: This Izzy e-mail puts an end to the hopes that he might turn up for one of the shows. I wish at least both Izzy and the other side said more. It's still very vague what "happy middle ground" means in this situation. Was it only about money or there were other things too, like planning of the tour etc.? oh you bet there was more 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RussTCB Posted May 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2018 Sooooooooooo many big stars have so many people on their payroll that do absolutely nothing for them. Yet they keep distance from people who could actually help them. "A true friend is not on your payroll" -Prince 6 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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