Any of my fellow liberals gonna #walkaway?

[Carne_asaDA]

 

[Len Cnut]

Sounds like a bunch of horseshit to me.  Liberalism is not defined by what a particular nation or group or media chooses to define its tenets by, decency does not become a dirty word if a bunch of nazis tommorow decide to call themselves ‘the decency party’, trust yourself, make your mind up based on what you deem to be correct and true in any issue, align yourself with whats in your heart, that way you won’t have to change your name everytime someone dons a V for Vendetta mask and decides to firebomb because, let me end the suspense for you, liberal or conservative, none of them motherfuckers would blink an eyelid in selling you down the river if it was ever between you and them, whatever morality they lay claim to.

I would endeavour throughout my life to never allow myself to be defined by a peoples or a word or an ideology but it i had to I’d go for liberal over conservative ANY day.  Liberal, Humanist, Libertarian, take your pick.

Edited July 14, 2018 by Len Cnut

[soon]

I cant help but notice how he conflates opposing forces as being one monolithic block.

Where Americans have traditionally called anything thats not Conservative "Liberal" the internet seems to have successfully pointed out to the Americans that Leftists arent Liberals. So now theres the American inclination to simply alternate between the words "Liberal" and "Left" while they carry on the same old binary, 2 party, conversation. But Liberals and Lefties are not the same - not by a long shot. It is fair to conflate the DNC with Liberals. Or even Liberalism with Democratic voters to some extent. But leftism - which includes a spectrum of Social Dems, Progressives, Anarchists, Marxist and Maoists, etc - is rather difficult to conflate with the Democratic Party for hopefully obvious reasons.

Seems like this guy was a fairly mainstream Liberal who voted for the Democratic Party. Why on Earth is he talking about leaving "the left?" He was clearly never part of the Left and its painfully apparent that he doesnt have a working knowledge of what Leftism even is to begin with.

He should leave behind the DNC and Liberalism and walk away towards the Left. Because thats what all his stated beliefs would lead him too. 

 

Edited July 14, 2018 by soon

[31illusions]

Liberalism = Cancer of America.

[Silverburst80]

The Privilege list

[ShadowOfTheWave]

Walk Away are concern trolls, they were never leftists to begin with. Neither were charlatans like Dave Rubin.

[wasted]

This is about the democrat party being commies?

[DieselDaisy]

The ironic thing is that (British) liberalism, once upon a time, meant imperialism, (Christian) proselytising and rather punitive measures against the poor!   

But in America they tend to just lump anything that is too the left of something (including socialism) into one catch all category called ''liberalism''. 

Edited July 15, 2018 by DieselDaisy

[Len Cnut]

9 hours ago, 31illusions said:

Liberalism = Cancer of America.

...with liberty and justice for all

[ZoSoRose]

11 hours ago, 31illusions said:

Liberalism = Cancer of America.

I think you meant Republicans!

[downzy]

13 hours ago, 31illusions said:

Liberalism = Cancer of America.

People who spew such nonsense obviously know nothing about the history of their own country.  

You're a product of your time: woefully ignorant of what liberalism is; how it dominated political life for most of America's 20th century.

Take a history class.  

[31illusions]

29 minutes ago, downzy said:

People who spew such nonsense obviously know nothing about the history of their own country.  

You're a product of your time: woefully ignorant of what liberalism is; how it dominated political life for most of America's 20th century.

Take a history class.  

That is your opinion Downzy and I have mine. Your liberal beliefs are based on selfishness and ungodliness. My beliefs are conservative and biblical. We will NEVER agree on this issue. Republicans have control of everything and Democrats are loosing their minds. Resulting in hatefulness, violence and suppressing of opinions. If this are things you support, then you are the one who is ignorant my friend. To use your phrase....

Take a bible study class. You may actually learn something.

[soon]

30 minutes ago, 31illusions said:

Your liberal beliefs are based on selfishness and ungodliness. My beliefs are conservative and biblical. 

You would seek to limit who God is to fit God into modern Americas odd take on Liberalism v Conservatism? God is much more then our silly systems of government can denote. Our systems of government are vulgar in their violence, greed and imperfections. Why would you choose to couch Gods nature in such visibly flawed human conventions? Especially given how the Gospels narrate how Christ was in conflict with both the conservative Sadducees and the liberal Pharisees...

[31illusions]

29 minutes ago, soon said:

You would seek to limit who God is to fit God into modern Americas odd take on Liberalism v Conservatism? God is much more then our silly systems of government can denote. Our systems of government are vulgar in their violence, greed and imperfections. Why would you choose to couch Gods nature in such visibly flawed human conventions? Especially given how the Gospels narrate how Christ was in conflict with both the conservative Sadducees and the liberal Pharisees...

Soon, just stop. I don't normally respond to you because you spout to much psychobabble. Plus, you spend a lot of time in the political thread just agreeing with other liberals. So, there you have it.

[soon]

5 minutes ago, 31illusions said:

Soon, just stop. I don't normally respond to you because you spout to much psychobabble. Plus, you spend a lot of time in the political thread just agreeing with other liberals. So, there you have it.

Those are incorrect statements. I guess you haven't read my post earlier on this page/thread? Me and the liberals have very different beliefs. It mostly stems from the fact that I'm not a liberal. I even butt heads with some progressives on here every now and then. And I pal around with many conservatives and moderates on here too. Because they are awesome folks! 

And, at least in this case, what you are labelling as "psychobabble" is what is otherwise known as Theology.

Very run-of-the-mill Barthian Theology no less. 

[MrMojo]

 

[Iron MikeyJ]

I see both liberal and conservative as both being evil. Both sides lead you AWAY from God, they just use different tactics in order to achieve that. 

I used to be liberal, and probably still lean more "left" than "right", but I have some very serious issues with democrats these days. 

As for conservatives, they claim to be God fearing, but will sell their own mother for the highest price. I can't get past their blatant greed. 

So here I am, stuck in the middle somewhere. I can't vote for Trump, no way. But I also refuse to vote for a liberal candidate that doesn't share my values or morals. I place my religion ABOVE any political ideology, I am Catholic BEFORE I am American. So going forward, I am honestly facing the possibility of NOT voting for the first time in my adult life. I don't believe in choosing the "lesser of two evils" method of voting. At the end of the day, you are STILL choosing evil. Which that is something I can't do.

[Dazey]

34 minutes ago, Iron MikeyJ said:

I see both liberal and conservative as both being evil. Both sides lead you AWAY from God.

Oh do shut the fuck up you absolute bellend! Your god is a work of fiction and not even a well written one at that!  

Edited July 15, 2018 by Dazey

[Len Cnut]

Just now, Dazey said:

Oh do shut the fuck up you absolute bellend!  Your god is a work of fiction and not even a well written one at that! 

#shotsfired

[Dazey]

14 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

#shotsfired

Too far? Really?  I'm gonna start quoting Harry Potter next time I've got a righteous indignation hard-on. 

[DieselDaisy]

2 hours ago, Iron MikeyJ said:

I see both liberal and conservative as both being evil. Both sides lead you AWAY from God, they just use different tactics in order to achieve that. 

I used to be liberal, and probably still lean more "left" than "right", but I have some very serious issues with democrats these days. 

As for conservatives, they claim to be God fearing, but will sell their own mother for the highest price. I can't get past their blatant greed. 

So here I am, stuck in the middle somewhere. I can't vote for Trump, no way. But I also refuse to vote for a liberal candidate that doesn't share my values or morals. I place my religion ABOVE any political ideology, I am Catholic BEFORE I am American. So going forward, I am honestly facing the possibility of NOT voting for the first time in my adult life. I don't believe in choosing the "lesser of two evils" method of voting. At the end of the day, you are STILL choosing evil. Which that is something I can't do.

The republican party were actually founded 1854 by merging various, what could be construed, ''anti-Catholic'' parties, pietistic Whigs, abolitionists and Free-Soilers alongside smaller parties, nativist (e.g., Know Nothings), temperance (and therefore anti-Irish) and general evangelical do-gooders. The republican vote was overwhelmingly protestant, and by protestant I mean low-Church and evangelical; it was also overwhelmingly Anglo-Scottish or German-Dutch in composition and often opposed to ''Catholic'' immigration from places like Ireland, Poland and Italy, seeing those migrants as part of one big ''Popish conspiracy'' to subvert the morals of America. Conversely, the Democrats were prevalent among the ''Irish vote'' - Peace Democrats (''Copperheads'') during the American Civil War.

(Irish economic migrants also saw a hypothetically liberated negro demographic as competition for jobs).

The Scorsese film Gangs of New York is quite good at depicting nativist turmoil which led to the draft riots of 1863, probably the biggest period of civic disturbance in the history of the United States.

[downzy]

10 hours ago, 31illusions said:

That is your opinion Downzy and I have mine. Your liberal beliefs are based on selfishness and ungodliness. My beliefs are conservative and biblical. We will NEVER agree on this issue. Republicans have control of everything and Democrats are loosing their minds. Resulting in hatefulness, violence and suppressing of opinions. If this are things you support, then you are the one who is ignorant my friend. To use your phrase....

Take a bible study class. You may actually learn something.

I've read the entire Bible, the new Testament twice.  I'm well versed in Catholicism and several other Judeochristian sects, but view it as a crux used by those unwilling or unable to think for themselves.

As for your contention that liberalism is based on selfishness and ungodliness, you have revealed yourself to be a bigger fool than I previous thought.  Conservative and biblical?  LOL.  Because Jesus chose to feed 5,000 people with five loathes of fish and two bottles of wine for his own selfish reasons?  Again, learn what liberalism is, how it saved your sad fucking country in the 20th century, and how many who benefited from it now rile against it because they know nothing about it.  

What did Jesus say about the poor and wealth inequality: "And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.” (Matthew 19:24).   Yeah, that sounds like something conservatives give a shit about.  

FFS, this is just ignorance at it's worst.  

I would say no offence, but I fucking hate people like yourself.  Your ignorance offends me.  You know fuck all about anything but speak with authority like you do.  We will never agree on anything because you don't know anything.  I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when conversing with people who advertises their ignorance as boldly and defiantly as you do.  

Democrats are losing their minds because their candidates have won the popular vote in the last six of seven Presidential elections but for "reasons" the Republican candidate won the election in three of the contests.  That on almost every single issue a majority of Americans poll closer to the Democratic position over the Republican candidate.  That Democrats continue to be the adults in the room while Republicans steal Supreme Court justices.  That Republicans, by 90 percent, continue to support a President that is the personification with everything wrong with America.  

And it's not a Democratic president who calls on changing the first amendment and liable laws to go after speech he doesn't like.  Please, show me one Democratic official who calls for violence the same way Trump called for it when a) he thought Romney won the popular vote in 2012 but would lose the election due to the electoral college; b) when he goaded his supporters to knock out protestors.  

So please, learn what you're talking about before you spew nonsense around here.  

4 hours ago, Iron MikeyJ said:

I am Catholic BEFORE I am American. 

Then become a priest and move to Rome.  

[downzy]

On 2018-07-14 at 2:28 PM, Carne_asaDA said:

 

They were never a Democrat/liberal or know nothing about what liberalism stands for.  

[Ace Nova]

1 hour ago, downzy said:

They were never a Democrat/liberal or know nothing about what liberalism stands for.  

Are you saying that if the guy in the video was a true "Democrat/liberal" he wouldn't be angered/disturbed by what he sees happening within the party and/or he wouldn't "walk away"?

 

Edited July 16, 2018 by Kasanova King

[Ace Nova]

1 hour ago, downzy said:

 Please, show me one Democratic official who calls for violence

....there's certainly a few in this video...as well as celebrities, actors, musicians, etc....

 

Edited July 16, 2018 by Kasanova King