Propaganda Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 It's a great song, but the lyrics are written for a Scott melody. So it would sound strange with Axl, as does Slither too. The riff was meant for Guns but that's all it was, a riff... Axl would have written different lyrics and a he would have used a different melody with his voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axlfan88 Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 It's not a very good song. It's ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 (edited) I cannot even discern any trends in the 00s. It must be the first decade in human history without any distinct culture or fashion. It is nondescript. Previous decades, you shout out a decade and you instantly recall things like teddy boys, The Beatles, flairs, AIDS and Trainspotting. Even this decade has skinny jeans and styrofoam coffee and phone obsessions. PS I suppose my best description of the '00s would be as a sort of ''watered down '90s''. Edited August 25, 2018 by DieselDaisy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 I still think the two vey best VR songs were Messages and Loving The Alien 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GnR Chris Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 (edited) I never cared for "Fall to Pieces," or anything much from Velvet Revolver, really. I do wish I went out and saw 'em live during the tour. But other than that, I'm a bigger fan of Slash/Myles/Conspirators and Duff's Loaded. "Fall to Pieces" probably would have been a "lesser" hit for GNR than VR. VR was getting a ton of pub for being a supergroup of old Gunners and STP frontman. Alternative rock was the flavor back then. Weiland carried a lot more juice in the press than people probably recall. Then again, it's tough to say if GNR debuted "Fall to Pieces" in 1997/1998 what would have happened. Edited August 25, 2018 by GnR Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Jay Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 Velvet Revolver failed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojan Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 Had Axl been more keen to keep Gilby (or if he had to go, to bring Izzy back) and had Slash not been stubborn with his "just shut up and sing" approach, we would have THAT GN'R album and, as far as I know, the only recorded indication of what that might have sounded like is the whistle melody over Slash's Back and Forth Again arpeggios...which is structured similar to FTP, just sayin'... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azifwekare Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 13 hours ago, Wagszilla said: It's about on the same level as Scraped. OK, calm down... I like FTP too, but it's not that good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerInThisTown Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 I'd much rather hear what Axl wanted to do with Back And Forth Again instead of FTP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhazUp Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Silent Jay said: Velvet Revolver failed. I don't know if Velvet Revolver failed as much as a whole, definitely if Scott was able to get his issues in check during that time I think that it would have faired better for the band overall - their first album was totally kickass! Libertad, not as much but still had some decent moments and is enjoyable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnfnrs1972 Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 3 out of 20 former guns n roses members were involved. So basically it is a guns n roses song. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 There is a song on Duff's solo album with Slash, and a song on Slash's with Izzy, and a song on Duff's (2nd) with Izzy, and a song on Gilby's with Axl, and a song on Gilby's with Slash, and a song on Gilby's with Duff etc etc - I could go on! Why can't they all just get together on one bloody song!! The Outpatience song with Rose and Slash is fairly close to being a Guns song actually. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold top 78 Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 2 hours ago, RussTCB said: I still think the two vey best VR songs were Messages and Loving The Alien Outside Slither loving the alien is my favourite VR song 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Nova Posted August 25, 2018 Author Share Posted August 25, 2018 (edited) On 8/25/2018 at 4:21 AM, Free Bird said: In his book he stated he wrote that song in the early '00. It's another Axl vs Slash thing that nobody knows what really happened. Maybe Slash didn't want this song to be associated with Guns since it was about VR at the time. Otherwise, Slash must have played it to Axl in 95/96. VR released it 8-9 years later. Slash could have played a different but similar riff to FTP and Axl mistakenly thought it was the same riff after all this years. I had one too many last night....had no idea what I was talking about....lol. I guess mid 90's and the year 2000 is one and the same when I'm tipsy. Edited August 26, 2018 by Kasanova King 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacdaniel Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 I loved VR. I love Slash's guitar playing on his solo albums but VR had overall better songs IMO. Slither, Dirty Little Thing, FTP, Messages, YGNR, loving the alien. I saw them in 05 and they were brilliant. I was blown away by Scott. Then I saw them in 08, 2 weeks before the break up. It was very clear they weren't getting on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedHook Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 (edited) 16 hours ago, Kasanova King said: Nothing against the late Scott Weiland or VR but Fall To Pieces would have been the next G N' R hit. It was one of the primary riffs Slash was working on before they broke up. Slash recently said he had "riffs" for his personal songs and other riffs for Guns songs. Fall To Pieces was intended to be a Guns song. It screams Guns. I would love to hear Axl's take on it. Thoughts? With Scott's passing not long before the beginnings of the GNR Tour I was very surprised Fall to Pieces was not played as a tribute to him. It never happened, but they did play Black Hole Sun when Chris Cornell died. Maybe Axl couldn't get over the little internet spat he had with Scott in 2006 Edited August 25, 2018 by RedHook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold top 78 Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, RussTCB said: I still think the two vey best VR songs were Messages and Loving The Alien I know your a big fan of CD era Russ but VR are a band I’ve not seen you post much about. Were you a VR fan ? Edited August 25, 2018 by Gold top 78 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Gold top 78 said: I know your a big fan of CD era Russ but are VR a band I’ve not seen you post much about. Were you a VR fan ? Oh yeah, absolutely. Saw them in concert a couple of times. First time was in Detroit about a week before Contraband. Ended up going to a meet & greet before hand and met everyone but Scott. Really cool night. I didn't like Libertad too much but I really dug Contraband and wished Libertad was better or at least there were another album or two. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-W.A.R- Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, RedHook said: With Scott's passing not long before the beginnings of the GNR Tour I was very surprised Fall to Pieces was not played as a tribute to him. It never happened, but they did play Black Hole Sun when Chris Cornell died. Maybe Ask couldn't get over the little internet spat he had with Scott in 2006 Dd you read Slash's Rolling Stone interview? I think he still has some distaste for Scott. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedHook Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 1 minute ago, -W.A.R- said: Dd you read Slash's Rolling Stone interview? I think he still has some distaste for Scott. I will have to read it .. I do remember 2006 when Scott put a very harsh letter to Axl front and center on the VR website. I still have it somewhere on my laptop, some funny stuff lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 I didn't like Contraband but actually rather liked Libertad. I have tried multiple times to appreciate Contraband and it never transpires; seems too affiliated with alternative-metal. I think I even like Chinese Democracy more to be honest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold top 78 Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 Just now, RussTCB said: Oh yeah, absolutely. Saw them in concert a couple of times. First time was in Detroit about a week before Contraband. Ended up going to a meet & greet before hand and met everyone but Scott. Really cool night. I didn't like Libertad too much but I really dug Contraband and wished Libertad was better or at least there were another album or two. Cool I didn’t know that. I wish that I saw VR back in the day it’s kinda a regret I didn’t go to see them. I agree about Libertad it kinda put it off VR slightly I just didn’t like it anywhere near Contraband 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-W.A.R- Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, RedHook said: I will have to read it .. I do remember 2006 when Scott put a very harsh letter to Axl front and center on the VR website. I still have it somewhere on my laptop, some funny stuff lol Yeah that was after Axl talked about Slash showing up to his house and supposedly talked bad about his VR band mates over a intercom to the nanny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedHook Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 (edited) 32 minutes ago, -W.A.R- said: Yeah that was after Axl talked about Slash showing up to his house and supposedly talked bad about his VR band mates over a intercom to the nanny 12 or so years later, it wasn't hard to find this letter he wrote to Axl Edited August 25, 2018 by RedHook 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sosso Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 2006 GN'R > 2006 Velvet Revolver 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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