megaguns1982 Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 Not sure about new music at this point... I don’t want a conspirators record with axl singing.... id rather the unreleased CD stuff but that’s just me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted September 8, 2018 Author Share Posted September 8, 2018 6 minutes ago, NeonKinight said: Folks, forget about a nuAlbum 'till 2025. Seriously. You mean the Axl's publishing thing? I don't think it affects much. And he released CD after he had made that deal anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeonKinight Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 15 minutes ago, Blackstar said: You mean the Axl's publishing thing? I don't think it affects much. And he released CD after he had made that deal anyway. Yes, but he had to give all the money to mercuriadis...and we all know that If he releases something now, Mercuriadis will go to the court 'cause of that contract. And I think Axl doesn't scratch his ass on chainsaws...so he doesn't want to get trough all that pain in the ass once again, because in the end, he'll have to give all his hard-earned money to mercuriadis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanboy Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 I want to be naive and going to believe it, Axl got Slash and Duff, they have his back now, less pression, it wont be an "Axl thing" anymore, he isn't alone now. Looks like I didn't learn my lesson about believing in Axl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted September 8, 2018 Author Share Posted September 8, 2018 5 minutes ago, NeonKinight said: Yes, but he had to give all the money to mercuriadis...and we all know that If he releases something now, Mercuriadis will go to the court 'cause of that contract. And I think Axl doesn't scratch his ass on chainsaws...so he doesn't want to get trough all that pain in the ass once again, because in the end, he'll have to give all his hard-earned money to mercuriadis. But we cleared up on the other thread that Sanctuary was bought by Universal in 2007. And CD was released after that. Merck had nothing to do with that and has nothing to do with it now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnfnrs1972 Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 If they ever put something out people will be disappointed and crap all over it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jacdaniel Posted September 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2018 Hypothetical situation: Slash does an interview tomorrow and confirms that Guns are 100% making a new album. Initially, there is a huge media buzz with every media outlet reporting that a new album is on the way. That media buzz completely overshadows SMKC / Loaded. People are no longer interested in those projects and are even eager for them to just end. No media outlet wants to discuss SMKC, they just want the new album. 6 months from now, that initial buzz is starting to turn into frustration. When is the album coming out? Of course, Slash will still be on the road with SMKC and work won't have even started on Guns. 12 months from now, Guns regroup to start working on material. There is now immense pressure on the band to get something out as they announced this 1 year ago! That pressure now creates tension within the band or forces them to rush things along quickly. If you think this is dramatic, look at all the media between Slash saying he was friendly with Axl again and the reunion announcement. It was never ending speculation. Announcing an album now is in nobodies best interests, which is why it hasn't been announced. Expect more of those answers for the next few months at least. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janrichmond Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 I dunno what to think, Slash saying things that the nuGuns also said. I guess that everyone of those guys believed what they were saying at the time. I think if Guns don't make new music in the next year or so it's solely down to Axl. I'll hope for the best but expect the worst. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaguns1982 Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 20 minutes ago, NeonKinight said: Yes, but he had to give all the money to mercuriadis...and we all know that If he releases something now, Mercuriadis will go to the court 'cause of that contract. And I think Axl doesn't scratch his ass on chainsaws...so he doesn't want to get trough all that pain in the ass once again, because in the end, he'll have to give all his hard-earned money to mercuriadis. Even if that were true, couldn’t they just release it under slash or duffs publishing, or even the old partnerships publishing? i think anything CD related would have been under the guns n roses entity which excluded slash and duff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RONIN Posted September 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2018 This is absolutely going to happen. Three reasons: 1. Slash's divorce to Perla. He needs to earn well for the rest of his life to support her. GnR has to be productive in order to do that. 2. Axl, Duff, and Slash forgot what it was like to be on top of the world until NITL. The insane amount of money thrown at them has more than likely changed their MO. The Appetite boxset being fast tracked is not a coincidence. 3. They are now a touring juggernaut. To continue, they need new music. No touring, no money. Simple as that. These guys all have very expensive lifestyles (Axl and Slash in particular). There isn't really a choice like in the 90's to just part ways over musical differences - they have to make this work. If they can't get it together creatively, we're just going to get a cobbled together POS with Slash/Duff pasted over what used to be Buckethead and Tommy's parts. But make no mistake, there will be new GnR product after SMKC wraps up. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted September 9, 2018 Author Share Posted September 9, 2018 10 minutes ago, megaguns1982 said: Even if that were true, couldn’t they just release it under slash or duffs publishing, or even the old partnerships publishing? i think anything CD related would have been under the guns n roses entity which excluded slash and duff Publishing doesn't have anything to do with releasing the songs; it's not a record label. It has to do with the artist's royalties and ownership/copyright of the compositions. The deal Axl made in 2005 was leasing his publishing to Sanctuary for the next 20 years, in exchange for getting advance money for his future royalties from the back catalogue and not released yet compositions and keeping at least partial ownership/copyright. It didn't mean that he wouldn't be getting any royalties at all for that time period, but that part of the royalties (how big depends on what the deal said) would go to Sanctuary. Then Sanctuary was bought by Universal, so Axl's deal went to Universal with it. Then Universal sold Sanctuary to BMG, but as it seems it has kept Axl's publishing. To make a long story short, what this whole thing means is that Universal gets part of Axl's publishing royalties for the period the deal is in effect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RONIN Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 31 minutes ago, gnfnrs1972 said: If they ever put something out people will be disappointed and crap all over it. Because it most likely will be crap and thus deserving of the scorn heaped on it. 3/5 of a band that is ten years past their prime. Hardly seems promising. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlRoseCDII Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, RONIN said: This is absolutely going to happen. Three reasons: 1. Slash's divorce to Perla. He needs to earn well for the rest of his life to support her. GnR has to be productive in order to do that. 2. Axl, Duff, and Slash forgot what it was like to be on top of the world until NITL. The insane amount of money thrown at them has more than likely changed their MO. The Appetite boxset being fast tracked is not a coincidence. 3. They are now a touring juggernaut. To continue, they need new music. No touring, no money. Simple as that. Axl’s been touring the same songs since 2001. He doesn’t care about there being a new album to justify a tour. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sosso Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, RONIN said: Because it most likely will be crap and thus deserving of the scorn heaped on it. 3/5 of a band that is ten years past their prime. Hardly seems promising. I don't think that there will be another Guns N' Roses Album during the next ten years, but I don't care about that anymore. I have six albums, dozens of bootlegs and I have also visited the actual concerts. Edited September 9, 2018 by Sosso 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RONIN Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 1 minute ago, AxlRoseCDII said: Axl’s been touring the same songs since 2001. He doesn’t care about there being a new album to justify a tour. True. But if they do that, they're going to be downgraded to smaller venues. To continue playing stadiums, the band needs new music to tour behind. Even an EP would suffice really. And it's going to be a guaranteed blockbuster purely on novelty alone as the first new music with Slash in 20+ years. They would be insane to not put something out given the financial windfall that would come from a new global stadium tour. That being said, given that it's GnR/TB, they'll probably do the exact opposite of what makes the most sense. On second thought, just disregard everything I said previously. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhazUp Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 16 minutes ago, RONIN said: This is absolutely going to happen. Three reasons: 1. Slash's divorce to Perla. He needs to earn well for the rest of his life to support her. GnR has to be productive in order to do that. 2. Axl, Duff, and Slash forgot what it was like to be on top of the world until NITL. The insane amount of money thrown at them has more than likely changed their MO. The Appetite boxset being fast tracked is not a coincidence. 3. They are now a touring juggernaut. To continue, they need new music. No touring, no money. Simple as that. These guys all have very expensive lifestyles (Axl and Slash in particular). There isn't really a choice like in the 90's to just part ways over musical differences - they have to make this work. If they can't get it together creatively, we're just going to get a cobbled together POS with Slash/Duff pasted over what used to be Buckethead and Tommy's parts. But make no mistake, there will be new GnR product after SMKC wraps up. I totally agree on all counts And to add to that - reuniting GNR gave Axl a point of no return as well in the sense that he will not be able to sell a Slash-less GNR now that Slash has returned. If Slash and Duff leave GNR again, I can imagine everyone going "wait I just saw them live WITH these people, why would I pay to see them now?" So I feel like that is more incentive for Axl to keep Slash and Duff happy creatively as well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaguns1982 Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 16 minutes ago, Blackstar said: Publishing doesn't have anything to do with releasing the songs; it's not a record label. It has to do with the artist's royalties and ownership/copyright of the compositions. The deal Axl made in 2005 was leasing his publishing to Sanctuary for the next 20 years, in exchange for getting advance money for his future royalties from the back catalogue and not released yet compositions and keeping at least partial ownership/copyright. It didn't mean that he wouldn't be getting any royalties at all for that time period, but that part of the royalties (how big depends on what the deal said) would go to Sanctuary. Then Sanctuary was bought by Universal, so Axl's deal went to Universal with it. Then Universal sold Sanctuary to BMG, but as it seems it has kept Axl's publishing. To make a long story short, what this whole thing means is that Universal gets part of Axl's publishing royalties for the period the deal is in effect. Ah cool, yeah that makes sense. But seeing as the big dollars is is touring anyway, I can’t see that being the reason to hold up music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ludurigan Posted September 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2018 5 hours ago, Blackstar said: Another interview... http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/slash-on-re-teaming-with-myles-kennedy-and-the-conspirators-i-wanted-to-come-back-and-finish-what-we-started/ ------- GUNS N' ROSES guitarist Slash recently spoke with SiriusXM DJ Jose Mangin about "Living The Dream", his new solo album featuring Myles Kennedy and THE CONSPIRATORS. A few excerpts follow (as transcribed by BLABBERMOUTH.NET). On juggling two bands: Slash: "I've been working with Myles and THE CONSPIRATORS since 2010, so up until just recently, everything I was writing was earmarked for that. But then, joining up with GUNS N' ROSES in 2016, that's a whole new thing for 20 years, at least, so I didn't do anything CONSPIRATORS for a year and a half. Everything was focused on GUNS N' ROSES. Then, when we took a sizable break in December of last year, come January, I got back together with THE CONSPIRATORS and started revisiting some of the music that we wrote during the 'World On Fire' tour, and also music that I wrote on the spot in January and February, so then [I was] completely focused on THE CONSPIRATORS. Come May, the album was mixed and mastered, and I went straight back to rehearsal for GUNS N' ROSES. So, you just shut one down to do the other, and vice versa." On his memories of the Whisky a Go Go, the famed West Hollywood nightclub where his tour in support of "Living The Dream" kicks off next week: Slash: "I actually had a job as sort of a house roadie at the Whisky. This was, like, 1984 or something like that. I would just hump gear for whatever band was coming in at the time. I remember what sticks out to me was there was a performance artist named Johanna Went who did a gig at the Whisky. When I say performance artist, you sort of imagine people that do this whole sort of, like, eclectic show where they bring a lot of props and do a lot of crazy shit on stage. Hers was, like, pigs' blood and body parts and all this crazy shit, so we had to clean that shit up after the show. [Laughs] I can't find the words to describe how left of center this gig was. It was definitely a mess. Then, I remember the Whisky shut down for a long time. It was actually closed for most of '85, I think, so GUNS didn't play there until '86. I remember that first Whisky gig was the first night I ever wore a top hat. I went to this store that Taime Downe from FASTER PUSSYCAT used to work at, and I went in there and stole a top hat because I was looking for something to wear for the show. I got the top hat and I stole a concho belt, because I didn't have any money. I went back to the apartment that Axl [Rose] and I were squatting at, because we were hiding from the cops. We were staying at [former manager] Vicky Hamilton's apartment, and I cut the belt, put it around the hat. We were playing the Whisky that night, and I remember that was the sort of premiere gig of the whole top hat thing. It got stolen, like, two days later at The Cathouse. I was passed out in a booth, and I woke up and my hat was gone." On "Living The Dream": Slash: "THE CONSPIRATORS have been near and dear to my heart since the beginning, back in 2010. We've been working our butts off, up until a certain point and then I went off to do GUNS N' ROSES, which was great, but I wanted to come back and sort of finish what we had started back in 2015, which was, like, the very beginnings of pre-production for our next record. This was all happening during the 'World On Fire' tour. Fast forward to 2018, we go back in the studio and it's just great to see Myles and Frank [Sidoris] and Brent [Fitz] and Todd [Kerns], and hang out and start jamming again. I think that we put together a record that's a really good evolution from the last one that we did, like a good progression. I'm just happy to be doing it and happy to be going out on the road with those guys, and then at this point, balancing between THE CONSPIRATORS and whatever GUNS N' ROSES is going to do next." On the future of GN'R: Slash: "Everybody's asking. We haven't focused on really, you know, doing... we haven't, you know, sat down and [said], 'Okay, we're working on a new record.' But at the same time, I know that's something that I want to be optimistic about. I think Axl would like to do it; I want to do it; Duff [McKagan] wants to do it. Axl's got a ton of material; I've got some material; so we just have to sort of hunker down and go, 'Okay, we're going to do this,' and that hasn't happened yet, but I feel pretty positive it'll happen at some point." On Slash Fiction, his film production company: Slash: "I've got four movies in different stages of development, and two that I just did deals on. They're all in the horror vein — thriller and horror vein. It's a very slow-moving animal, this whole movie thing. The whole time behind the scenes, I've been working on this while I'm doing everything else. I just don't talk about it too much, because there's nothing to tell until you have a release date. [Laughs]" thats fabulous, slash spends three years with axl and he THINKS that axl wants to do something! he is not 100% sure because in THREE YEARS he hasn't really had the OPPORTUNITY to sit down with axl and TALK about it! this is just bloody BRILLIANT!!! 1 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludurigan Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 1 hour ago, WhazUp said: I totally agree on all counts And to add to that - reuniting GNR gave Axl a point of no return as well in the sense that he will not be able to sell a Slash-less GNR now that Slash has returned. If Slash and Duff leave GNR again, I can imagine everyone going "wait I just saw them live WITH these people, why would I pay to see them now?" So I feel like that is more incentive for Axl to keep Slash and Duff happy creatively as well axl has only been able to sell a GNR-less version of GNR because people believed that there was a GNR version of GNR that was basically axl minus GNR! its fabulous! people really believe axl! axl can sell anything to people! they buy it all! djs, buckets and whatever else axl sells! 1 hour ago, AxlRoseCDII said: Axl’s been touring the same songs since 2001. He doesn’t care about there being a new album to justify a tour. i am afraid you are correct except for one thing axl been touring the same songs since 1986 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludurigan Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 1 hour ago, gnfnrs1972 said: If they ever put something out people will be disappointed and crap all over it. hey! wait! this has already happened! its called CHINESE DEMOCRACY! its called SLASH`S SOLO CAREER! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Fan Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Rovim said: I remember Axl saying something like the players on chinese were the right people for making the album and the previous line up worked live. not his exact words though. so if it's a question of artistic confidence, it could be different this time around with the current line up. Axl never really tried to do it with bumble and dj. Id like to know why axl didnt release a cd2 or cd3. If the record company at the time wouldnt release anything or fund it, he could have self funded it himself if he truly belived in the quality of the songs as a whole and made things happen on his own and especially if he thought the way forward and future of the band was with the current players . For all axls talk about how he liked the current chidem players and the band it seems he had one foot forward to the future and one foot back with the past and he wasnt sure or confident which direction to go. Edited September 9, 2018 by Sydney Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludurigan Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 18 minutes ago, Sydney Fan said: Id like to know why axl didnt release a cd2 or cd3. If the record company at the time wouldnt release anything or fund it, he could have self funded it himself if he truly belived in the quality of the songs as a whole and made things happen on his own and especially if he thought the way forward and future of the band was with the current players . For all axls talk about how he liked the current chidem players and the band it seems he had one foot forward to the future and one foot back with the past and he wasnt sure or confident which direction to go. e-fucking-xactly probably he thought that the world would hail him as a VISIONARY ARTIST after the release of his solo album. once his solo album was basically IGNORED, even with the GNR tag, he probably realised that he wasnt as great a VISIONARY ARTIST as he previously believed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-W.A.R- Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Sydney Fan said: Id like to know why axl didnt release a cd2 or cd3. If the record company at the time wouldnt release anything or fund it, he could have self funded it himself if he truly belived in the quality of the songs as a whole and made things happen on his own and especially if he thought the way forward and future of the band was with the current players . For all axls talk about how he liked the current chidem players and the band it seems he had one foot forward to the future and one foot back with the past and he wasnt sure or confident which direction to go. I seem to remember Axl being in somewhat of a pinch financially for a bit there....or am i making this up? Edited September 9, 2018 by -W.A.R- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LikeADog93 Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 I’ll believe it when I see it. Until then I’m not getting my hopes up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadSlash Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 (edited) The only sure things in GnR: 1. There is no sure thing. 2. If God came down from heaven and recorded a magical album, as Axl, that hypnotized everyone to rate it 10/10, there would still be people hating it on the intewebs. Edited September 9, 2018 by DeadSlash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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