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29 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

I find it hilairious this 21st Century trend of all these men moaning the death of the alpha male, like you're fuckin' Steve McQueen to begin with. 

Yeah, it’s quite the racket. Considering the audience is comprised of men who should theoretically be thrilled by the ‘death of the alpha male’. 

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Feminism is kinda made for men if you think about it.  I can't think of any movement in the post war world that has done more of service for men, sociologically speaking.  Its kind of the only thing that is working to bring men into the future.  The old masculine archetype is dying.  There's really nothing to it but misery.  The truth is if men like Jordan Peterson had to live out the ideals that they aspire to they would go insane.  This idea of the grimy stoic hard drinking man working the capstan lathe then going home to 2.4 children and the her indoors is a fucking nightmare as much for men as it is for women.  These are archetypes that grew out of social constraints that were crippling for men and women, it literally drove people insane.  Feminism is doing men a favour.

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1 minute ago, Len Cnut said:

Feminism is kinda made for men if you think about it.  I can't think of any movement in the post war world that has done more of service for men, sociologically speaking.  Its kind of the only thing that is working to bring men into the future.  The old masculine archetype is dying.  There's really nothing to it but misery.  The truth is if men like Jordan Peterson had to live out the ideals that they aspire to they would go insane.  This idea of the grimy stoic hard drinking man working the capstan lathe then going home to 2.4 children and the her indoors is a fucking nightmare as much for men as it is for women.  These are archetypes that grew out of social constraints that were crippling for men and women, it literally drove people insane.  Feminism is doing men a favour.

What a poof.

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10 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

What a poof.

Me and you would die trying to live out that old masculine archetype :lol:  A bunch of fuckin' fairy-arsed subtitled film watching rock n roll fans, we are the diametric opposite of the masculine archetype, the work alone would kill us :lol:

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Peterson was basically just in the right place at the right time. Without the Lindsey Shepherd scandal at Wilfred Laurier University and the existence of Patreon I doubt we'd be talking about him at all. For example Camille Paglia has been at this for decades and we never talk about her - even now when Peterson quotes her and features her pic! Paglia speaks against the grain whereas Peterson is happy to take on the talking points or his Right Wing Millennial Patreon supporters. His job is to give a professorial tone to their rhetoric. 

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17 hours ago, wasted said:

I agree it’s fine, it’s sort of become art. 

But I’m saying me swearing at you is different from me punching you in the face. People do sometimes want words to be like a punch in the face and this is pretty good example. Both sides should see the merits. 

Violence seems to come up when one or both sides refuse to listen. When people apply an ideology very rigidly then they can justify their lack of humanity. 

I didnt realize we were discussing violence? I certainly hadn't heard you say: "But I’m saying me swearing at you is different from me punching you in the face." ??

Possibly you are inferring I took a clear position on a subject by posting that pic? I would say there are many meanings to be found in the pic, but my take aways have been left opaque.

But to speak to your points

18 hours ago, wasted said:

But I’m saying me swearing at you is different from me punching you in the face.

Well, that depends. The outcome may be exactly the same for you:P

18 hours ago, wasted said:

Violence seems to come up when one or both sides refuse to listen

Im not sure what was violent about the picture? But all I can say is that the quicker we dispel the notion of a "both sides" outlook, the better. There are so many "sides" and even those undoing "sides" as their sides contributions. Once we have systems that better honours diversity then so many better ideas can emerge. Ideas that dont need to take account of all the binary entrenchment. 

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Some of Peterson's stuff is quite useful, his bread and butter psychotherapy topics about sorting yourself out and taking responsibility for your own shit. I can see why it appeals to directionless young men. The problem comes in the form of him straying into other things he isn't that knowledgeable about and wrapping it up in weird spiritualism and musings about other populist talking points.

I agree with the right place right time theory. It's made him very wealthy. I'm always shocked when I read how much money people are giving on sites like Patreon just to hear videos and tours going over the same ground again and again.

I've missed a trick modding this forum over the years instead of becoming a youtube guru. :lol:

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10 hours ago, soon said:

I didnt realize we were discussing violence? I certainly hadn't heard you say: "But I’m saying me swearing at you is different from me punching you in the face." ??

Possibly you are inferring I took a clear position on a subject by posting that pic? I would say there are many meanings to be found in the pic, but my take aways have been left opaque.

But to speak to your points

Well, that depends. The outcome may be exactly the same for you:P

Im not sure what was violent about the picture? But all I can say is that the quicker we dispel the notion of a "both sides" outlook, the better. There are so many "sides" and even those undoing "sides" as their sides contributions. Once we have systems that better honours diversity then so many better ideas can emerge. Ideas that dont need to take account of all the binary entrenchment. 

I’m not using the word “you” to mean you. It means more people in general. It’s not me and you. I’m not putting us in the ring. 

I’m saying there’s a difference between saying something and physical abuse of people or property. In the sign example, I was just saying technically maybe there’s a case for property damage. But I appreciate the artistry or whatever. The free speech zone isn’t license to start burning cars and beating people up or spraying painting fuck you on property. It’s a minor observation, extension, not a comment on what you might think. I tend to have multiple, often contradictory thoughts about things. I’m not sure what that image means really, at first I thought the fuck you was in support of the sign. 

It’s like a protest, people can go and say things but then they get carried away and start turning over cars. It defeats the object. Not to mention whoever’s car it is might agree with you. 

I think the both sides thing comes up when people interject into a dispute or situation. It’s not meant to reduce life or people to two choices or sides. But in Antifa v Alt right protest violence it easy to stand to the side and just say both sides were violent in certain situations. Or if your anti war both political parties have contributed. You can argue degrees and general outcome, but sometimes not on principles. It might not be the majority’s perspective. 

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10 hours ago, wasted said:

I’m not using the word “you” to mean you. It means more people in general. It’s not me and you. I’m not putting us in the ring. 

I’m saying there’s a difference between saying something and physical abuse of people or property. In the sign example, I was just saying technically maybe there’s a case for property damage. But I appreciate the artistry or whatever. The free speech zone isn’t license to start burning cars and beating people up or spraying painting fuck you on property. It’s a minor observation, extension, not a comment on what you might think. I tend to have multiple, often contradictory thoughts about things. I’m not sure what that image means really, at first I thought the fuck you was in support of the sign. 

It’s like a protest, people can go and say things but then they get carried away and start turning over cars. It defeats the object. Not to mention whoever’s car it is might agree with you. 

I think the both sides thing comes up when people interject into a dispute or situation. It’s not meant to reduce life or people to two choices or sides. But in Antifa v Alt right protest violence it easy to stand to the side and just say both sides were violent in certain situations. Or if your anti war both political parties have contributed. You can argue degrees and general outcome, but sometimes not on principles. It might not be the majority’s perspective. 

Yes, I understood and was just being playful about the use of "I" and "You." But I appreciate the clarification none the less.

So we are in agreement then, only flip over and torch police vehicles.

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12 hours ago, soon said:

Yes, I understood and was just being playful about the use of "I" and "You." But I appreciate the clarification none the less.

So we are in agreement then, only flip over and torch police vehicles.

Definitely don’t do that. I wouldn’t even bother going to protests, they have no effect. People go and get riled up, looting starts and they nick a telly and suddenly they face a criminal record and jail time. Just get a bucket of chicken and some beers and go home. Merry christmas everbody! 

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10 hours ago, wasted said:

Definitely don’t do that. I wouldn’t even bother going to protests they have no effect. People go and get riled up, looting starts and they nick a telly and suddenly they face a criminal record and jail time. Just get a bucket of chicken and some beers and go home. Merry christmas everbody! 

Ha, yeah we couldnt think of examples of popular protest movements that have won major changes, eh? Thats a lie.

And protests lead to looting, huh? Ive seen that at riots but never protests. And more often then not there is no looting at riots either. 

Also funny is when people think that a protest is the movement rather then a 3 hour representation of a movement that lives, breathe and acts everyday all day. Its an incredibly effective publicity tool, plus a million other things.

Also, pro tip: dont torch police cars at rallies. Torch em when their guard is down. I dont think you've been to a riot or a protest. 

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16 minutes ago, soon said:

Ha, yeah we couldnt think of examples of popular protest movements that have won major changes, eh? Thats a lie.

And protests lead to looting, huh? Ive seen that at riots but never protests. And more often then not there is no looting at riots either. 

Also funny is when people think that a protest is the movement rather then a 3 hour representation of a movement that lives, breathe and acts everyday all day. Its an incredibly effective publicity tool, plus a million other things.

Also, pro tip: dont torch police cars at rallies. Torch em when their guard is down. I dont think you've been to a riot or a protest. 

Wasted appears to be talking more about like riots that begin as a form of like...public indignation towards whatever the gripe of the day is, in the early part of this decade it was the death of Mark Duggan and my man Smiley Culture, in the 80s it was the Brixton riots which were a response to the stop and search laws...and the Notting Hill Carnival riots (which, for a piece of patented useless Len trivia, Joe Strummer and Paul Simonon of El Clash Combo took part in, he tells a funny story actually about trying to torch a car with a pack of Swan vestas :lol: ), those are the ones where a lot of oppertunists get in and start looting. 

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8 minutes ago, soon said:

Ha, yeah we couldnt think of examples of popular protest movements that have won major changes, eh? Thats a lie.

And protests lead to looting, huh? Ive seen that at riots but never protests. And more often then not there is no looting at riots either. 

Also funny is when people think that a protest is the movement rather then a 3 hour representation of a movement that lives, breathe and acts everyday all day. Its an incredibly effective publicity tool, plus a million other things.

Also, pro tip: dont torch police cars at rallies. Torch em when their guard is down. I dont think you've been to a riot or a protest. 

No I wouldn’t, I wouldn’t encourage anyone else to either. What I’m saying is one thing leads to another. I would never torch a cop car, I’m not a Phillies fan. 

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7 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

Wasted appears to be talking more about like riots that begin as a form of like...public indignation towards whatever the gripe of the day is, in the early part of this decade it was the death of Mark Duggan and my man Smiley Culture, in the 80s it was the Brixton riots which were a response to the stop and search laws...and the Notting Hill Carnival riots (which, for a piece of patented useless Len trivia, Joe Strummer and Paul Simonon of El Clash Combo took part in, he tells a funny story actually about trying to torch a car with a pack of Swan vestas :lol: ), those are the ones where a lot of oppertunists get in and start looting. 

Those London riots around the Euros time. Everyone was having a great time but later you had girls who stole shoes getting jail sentences. It was about police kiling a black guy or something. 

I’m just saying know what you’re doing or getting into. Don’t go smashing up cop cars because they will ruin your life. 

Like the Alt right guy at Charlottesville. He’s going to do time. He’ll have to question what he was really thinking that day. Would probably be better if he just didn’t care. 

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9 minutes ago, wasted said:

Those London riots around the Euros time. Everyone was having a great time but later you had girls who stole shoes getting jail sentences. It was about police kiling a black guy or something. 

I’m just saying know what you’re doing or getting into. Don’t go smashing up cop cars because they will ruin your life.

Yeah it was Mark Duggan who died, got shot by cops.  Plus reggae star Smiley Culture died in suspicious circumstances.  Get on this right, the filth raided his house and somewhere during the process of this raid Smiley went to the kitchen to make a cup of tea (not something you're allowed to do during a raid) and apparently stabbed himself in the heart with a butcher knife. 

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9 minutes ago, wasted said:

No I wouldn’t, I wouldn’t encourage anyone else to either. What I’m saying is one thing leads to another. I would never torch a cop car, I’m not a Phillies fan. 

Cop cars are fucking sacred!

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1 minute ago, Len Cnut said:

Yeah it was Mark Duggan who died, got shot by cops.  Plus reggae star Smiley Culture died in suspicious circumstances.  Get on this right, the filth raided his house and somewhere during the process of this raid Smiley went to the kitchen to make a cup of tea (not something you're allowed to do during a raid) and apparently stabbed himself in the heart with a butcher knife. 

That sparked off some sort of protests/riots/looting. There was a legit complaint but people got arrested or caught on cameras. Overall not worth it. 

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9 minutes ago, lukepowell1988 said:

Just been told by me Mum Me Aunt has died of stage 4 cancer ... Oh well it's Turkey day tomorrow Lads!!!

Shit, sorry bruv, thats a bit grim on Christmas Eve.

10 minutes ago, wasted said:

That sparked off some sort of protests/riots/looting. There was a legit complaint but people got arrested or caught on cameras. Overall not worth it. 

Yeah it ended up a bunch of people blaggin' tellys and trainers and that. 

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1 minute ago, Len Cnut said:

Shit, sorry bruv, thats a bit grim on Christmas Eve.

If i'm Honest with ya Len we don't really speak to that side of the family and all of a sudden everyone wants to act like they give a shit pffft not me.

 

She is the one who works in Watford actually I couldn't really care if i'm brutally honest with ya her old Man's alright however bit of a lad retired postman who can drink 30 cans of John Smiths for Brekkie.

 

Was more sad 2 years back when the family dog hit the bucket a week before crimbo what is it with people dying at Christmas? It's like fuckin' Eastenders round ere

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30 minutes ago, soon said:

Cop cars are fucking sacred!

 I just think you’ll get a sacred prison sentence. 

30 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

Shit, sorry bruv, thats a bit grim on Christmas Eve.

Yeah it ended up a bunch of people blaggin' tellys and trainers and that. 

It looked like fun. But a few months later they were doing people for picking up some trainers. 

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Was working in London during the time of the riots some bird I worked with got done for nicking 3 iPhones ... From her own store what a fuckin' melt 

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7 hours ago, Len Cnut said:

Wasted appears to be talking more about like riots that begin as a form of like...public indignation towards whatever the gripe of the day is, in the early part of this decade it was the death of Mark Duggan and my man Smiley Culture, in the 80s it was the Brixton riots which were a response to the stop and search laws...and the Notting Hill Carnival riots (which, for a piece of patented useless Len trivia, Joe Strummer and Paul Simonon of El Clash Combo took part in, he tells a funny story actually about trying to torch a car with a pack of Swan vestas :lol: ), those are the ones where a lot of oppertunists get in and start looting. 

Thanks, I'm not unfamiliar with the phenomena of looting. I appreciate you helping to clarify because I do sometimes find wasted hard to follow. But, in this case given the image that started off the discussion, I'm not convinced that he was talking about spontaneous riots. Heres the image I posted:

On December 20, 2018 at 3:54 PM, soon said:

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Free speech zones are set up for planned protests. 

 

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