jmapelian Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 They seem to be doing fine keeping everything low key without revealing what their plans are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 Without knowing what's going on behind the scenes it's not easy to tell. We simply don't know what they offered Izzy and what they wanted from him. Should he be a permanent member or should he join the band for some songs on different locations like Steven did? We don't even know how they split their money between the three of them, so how could we tell about Izzy in this situation. IMO it should have been a full reunion with everybody getting an equal share of what they earned. But it's not and there is this partnership contract between Axl, Slash and Duff from back in the day. Maybe that matters too. It's a hard topic for conjectures. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmapelian Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 The problem with Izzy is he's prone to bail without a moment's notice and there's too much money on the line. And I don't think they think Adler could hold up for 3 hours a night given his health issues. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GNRfanMILO Posted October 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 7, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Free Bird said: Without knowing what's going on behind the scenes it's not easy to tell. We simply don't know what they offered Izzy and what they wanted from him. Should he be a permanent member or should he join the band for some songs on different locations like Steven did? We don't even know how they split their money between the three of them, so how could we tell about Izzy in this situation. IMO it should have been a full reunion with everybody getting an equal share of what they earned. But it's not and there is this partnership contract between Axl, Slash and Duff from back in the day. Maybe that matters too. It's a hard topic for conjectures. This is exactly what I was thinking about. Izzy probably wasn’t offered being there full-time, because Axl wasn’t going to fire Richard. We know how he is, he even offered Ashba to be in the reunion. I tend to criticize Axl a lot for obvious reasons, but without knowing too much about this, I think I’m on the Axl/Slash/Duff side. Izzy’s tweet “to split the loot EQUALLY” says a lot. If he is pretending to earn the same as Axl, when he has said countless times over the years that he doesn’t like touring, I honestly think that he lost his mind. Do i have to remind you that this is probably the biggest tour in the band’s entire history? I don’t know if Izzy was going to handle it... And I’m not trying to say he is not important though. I honestly don’t know about his live playing today (Fortus is a fucking beast TODAY so I get it), but they should have atleast brought him for the AFD songs... Edited October 7, 2018 by GNRfanMILO 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 theres no huge beef with izzy because they did the whole box set thing which him and adler benefited from there is smaller beef now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Fan Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 5 hours ago, double talkin jive mfkr said: theres no huge beef with izzy because they did the whole box set thing which him and adler benefited from there is smaller beef now Thinking about this would steven and izzy have to sign off on the rerelease or not because they signed their rights away as part of the guns agreement?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Politania Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 On 7.10.2018 at 2:15 AM, RussTCB said: He's not known that well outside of hard core fans, at least in my opinion. Unfortunately you're right. I recently have watched a documenatrya bout GNR and Izzy wasn't mentioned until he just left the band. Like he was an ordinary guitarist, not an important person in GNR. I think there are fans, especially the younger generations who became fans after Izzy left the band and unfortunately they do not care about him as much as they should. besides this- the fact that Izzy is out of the spotlight also doesn't help pretty much in this situation. Of course Im not talking about all fans here. I dont generalize. My comment is about the exeptions that exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourMother'sDruthers Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Would've rather seen Izzy involved over Duff, not that I have anything against duff... they should've offered Izzy more money and not been greedy. Just because Izzy left the UYI tour 25 years ago doesn't mean he couldn't be counted on for NITL. different time, different set of circumstances. Same could be said (to a lesser degree) about Adler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 I think the promoters put the money up for Axl and Slash. Duff brokered the deal and is part of the legal partnership. Duff isn’t seem as a liability having completed many tours. So Izzy and Steven aren’t seen as money by promoters. They have no leverage. Izzy played no part in setting up the shows and has no leverage, so business heads would expect him to take Dj Ashba money. But Izzy doesn’t like touring that much and without the money and respect that comes with, he isn’t that excited about it. It’s not a big drama. It’s just sad that casual fans don’t know Izzy’s importance. Maybe he’s not in terms of the live show. It might even be the best for everyone. I think Axl, Slash and Duff have more overheads than Izzy or Steven. I think we’ll see the 5 even if it’s in a small venue or something like that. Might be fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Z.I. Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Bland and corporate as fuck. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 12 hours ago, Sydney Fan said: Thinking about this would steven and izzy have to sign off on the rerelease or not because they signed their rights away as part of the guns agreement?. no - they don't sign off on shit but would benefit from the back catologue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmapelian Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 On 9/30/2018 at 9:35 AM, Blackstar said: Izzy wrote a few songs with Duff in 1995. I think Slash said it for the songs they wrote with Izzy for Velvet Revolver though. They wrote an album's worth of material as the project, and Izzy bailed like a bitch once they decided to go with Scott as he singer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmapelian Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 On 10/8/2018 at 9:03 AM, YourMother'sDruthers said: Would've rather seen Izzy involved over Duff, not that I have anything against duff... they should've offered Izzy more money and not been greedy. Just because Izzy left the UYI tour 25 years ago doesn't mean he couldn't be counted on for NITL. different time, different set of circumstances. Same could be said (to a lesser degree) about Adler. Please, Izzy bailed on Guns right before a stadium tour for the illusions, bailed on VR once they decided to go with Scott, bailed on a nitl appearance and bailed a few times on guest appearances with both guns and VR. To say he's reliable on a multi year stadium tour is just naive wishful thinking. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Z.I. Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) 32 minutes ago, jmapelian said: They wrote an album's worth of material as the project, and Izzy bailed like a bitch once they decided to go with Scott as he singer Bailed like a bitch? Show some respect. The guy knew what it was like to have a narcissistic egomaniac as a singer/leader. Why would he put himself through that AGAIN? He saw the red flags and acted accordingly based on his own experience. On the other hand, Duff and Slash wanted to be big at all costs... and look at what happened, drama from the get go, turned a blind eye to it, Duff got addicted to painkillers and Slash was hitting the bottle... They were too dumb to see the red flags, or too blinded by the idea of making it big again that they decided to ignore the coming shitstorm. Very smart move from Izzy. Edited October 16, 2018 by D.Z.I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmapelian Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, D.Z.I. said: Bailed like a bitch? Show some respect. The guy knew what it was like to have a narcissistic egomaniac as a singer/leader. Why would he put himself through that AGAIN? He saw the red flags and acted accordingly based on his own experience. On the other hand, Duff and Slash wanted to be big at all costs... and look at what happened, drama from the get go, turned a blind eye to it, Duff got addicted to painkillers and Slash was hitting the bottle... They were too dumb to see the red flags, or too blinded by the idea of making it big again that they decided to ignore the coming shitstorm. Very smart move from Izzy. Yeah, that happens when you have 5 personalities in a band. And yet everyone is clamoring for Izzy to rejoin guns? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmapelian Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 11 minutes ago, D.Z.I. said: Bailed like a bitch? Show some respect. The guy knew what it was like to have a narcissistic egomaniac as a singer/leader. Why would he put himself through that AGAIN? He saw the red flags and acted accordingly based on his own experience. On the other hand, Duff and Slash wanted to be big at all costs... and look at what happened, drama from the get go, turned a blind eye to it, Duff got addicted to painkillers and Slash was hitting the bottle... They were too dumb to see the red flags, or too blinded by the idea of making it big again that they decided to ignore the coming shitstorm. Very smart move from Izzy. There was no red flags yet, he bailed long before there was any drama in the band. Those came after the 1st album and tour cycle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powderfinger Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 hour ago, jmapelian said: They wrote an album's worth of material as the project, and Izzy bailed like a bitch once they decided to go with Scott as he singer Have you ever played in a band? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modano09 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 hour ago, D.Z.I. said: Bailed like a bitch? Show some respect. The guy knew what it was like to have a narcissistic egomaniac as a singer/leader. Why would he put himself through that AGAIN? He saw the red flags and acted accordingly based on his own experience. On the other hand, Duff and Slash wanted to be big at all costs... and look at what happened, drama from the get go, turned a blind eye to it, Duff got addicted to painkillers and Slash was hitting the bottle... They were too dumb to see the red flags, or too blinded by the idea of making it big again that they decided to ignore the coming shitstorm. Very smart move from Izzy. I wouldn't say "like a bitch", but Izzy didn't want to commit to VR, didn't want it to be a big time band and casually left the scene when they went in a direction he wasn't into - which is consistent with everything that's been said of Izzy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadSlash Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, jmapelian said: They wrote an album's worth of material as the project, and Izzy bailed like a bitch once they decided to go with Scott as he singer Why does everyone have to ascribe a motivation behind Izzy not wanting to be in a big band, touring? He hates touring, and he's been really open about it. Sunday: "If you throw a surprise party for my birthday, I'm leaving. I hate parties." Monday: "If you throw a surprise party for my birthday, I'm leaving. I hate parties." Tuesday: "If you throw a surprise party for my birthday, I'm leaving. I hate parties." Wednesday: "If you throw a surprise party for my birthday, I'm leaving. I hate parties." Thursday: ""If you throw a surprise party for my birthday, I'm leaving. I hate parties." Friday: "If you throw a surprise party for my birthday, I'm leaving. I hate parties." Saturday: <Walks into a surprise party, face palms, leaves.> CONCLUSION "We sprang the surprise party and he left like a bitch because they had chocolate cake." wtf? Edited October 16, 2018 by DeadSlash 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Z.I. Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 7 hours ago, jmapelian said: Yeah, that happens when you have 5 personalities in a band. And yet everyone is clamoring for Izzy to rejoin guns? Izzy stuck around with 4 of those personalities without a problem, in fact he was very active and prolific while that lasted. Then Scott came around and Izzy wasn’t willing to put up with that bullshit. And I don’t really want Izzynin GNR. I mean, if it happens, it’s alright I guess, it wouldn’t bother me, but considering what this band has become –and for my own egotistical wishes– I’d rather have him away from the band as a regular or official member. 7 hours ago, jmapelian said: There was no red flags yet, he bailed long before there was any drama in the band. Those came after the 1st album and tour cycle. I guess showing up really late (or not showing up at all) at the bery beginning are no signs of anything going wrong, it’s standard r&r spirit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post D.Z.I. Posted October 16, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 16, 2018 6 hours ago, Modano09 said: I wouldn't say "like a bitch", but Izzy didn't want to commit to VR, didn't want it to be a big time band and casually left the scene when they went in a direction he wasn't into - which is consistent with everything that's been said of Izzy. I don’t think that Izzy walked out because he didn’t want to commit to a big band. I think that it was mostly because he didn’t have to deal with the same bullshit that drove him away from GNR. I think everyone in the room knew how big VR would become with Scott involved as a frontman. I think the main problem wasn’t how big the band would become, but the price they would have to pay to get there, and Izzy didn’t think it was worth it. Duff and Slash went through that same crap as Izzy did, but they to put up with it cause they were fucked up on drugs and alcohol the whole time. Izzy didn’t have that coping mechanism cause he was sober. And look at what happened: both Duff and Slash had to resort to the same self-destructive coping mechanisms to put up with what happened (again). It’s not different than an abusive relationship. The battered wife going from one abusive asshole to another... this time it will bw different... I think that the mental and emotional price to pay for making it big again was clear for all of them when Scott walked into the room. Duff and Slash thought it was worth it. Izzy didn’t. Duff and Slash were willing to put their own health and sobriety on the line to make it big. Izzy wasn’t 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 2 hours ago, D.Z.I. said: I don’t think that Izzy walked out because he didn’t want to commit to a big band. Do you have any idea how hard it is to commit to anything when you haven't committed to anything in such a long time? Izzy has been living life on his own terms since he left GnR. He's been the boss of the system and has only done things on his own terms. That's a long fucking time. It's so hard to go back to living life partly on someone else's terms, which is what happens when you join a band. Axl said it best when Izzy was joining them on tour before... if he shows up it's great, but if he doesn't it's fine too, because they don't have to rely on him, the show can still go on without him. I think it's hard for anyone, let alone someone like Izzy, to go back to a huge machine like GnR or any other band, and committing to a two year tour when you've been living your life in freedom and doing whatever you want to do without really committing to anything for over 25 years, except making music on your own terms. I don't see it happening. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RONIN Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, EvanG said: Do you have any idea how hard it is to commit to anything when you haven't committed to anything in such a long time? Izzy has been living life on his own terms since he left GnR. He's been the boss of the system and has only done things on his own terms. That's a long fucking time. It's so hard to go back to living life partly on someone else's terms, which is what happens when you join a band. Axl said it best when Izzy was joining them on tour before... if he shows up it's great, but if he doesn't it's fine too, because they don't have to rely on him, the show can still go on without him. I think it's hard for anyone, let alone someone like Izzy, to go back to a huge machine like GnR or any other band, and committing to a two year tour when you've been living your life in freedom and doing whatever you want to do without really committing to anything for over 25 years, except making music on your own terms. I don't see it happening. Excellent point. And I'm sure it played a role in his decision. As DZI said earlier, Izzy probably weighed the pros/cons out in his mind and as before with VR, it just didn't seem to be worth it to him in the end. My guess? Duff lowballed Izzy as a non-partner contracted employee for the Coachella/warm up gigs. The rumors around early '16 were that he was offered a low 5 figure sum for each show. Izzy wanted all 5 of them to split things as equals for those few shows (maybe even merchandising, who knows) - and the rest is history. GnR made a wise business decision and Izzy decided that his nostalgia for the old band wasn't worth the disrespect shown from whatever paltry sum they were offering. It appears that Steven eventually felt the same way after the initial reunion euphoria wore off. It's also very likely that the terms offered to Izzy as a non-partner stipulated that had he rejoined GnR, he would have faced the same situation as '91 where Axl, Slash and Duff were running the band and he was just riding shotgun. We know from his '91 interviews that he deeply resented Axl and Slash for trying to diminish his influence - no way he was going to go through that again + work for a pittance like Steven. Looking back at the whole thing, it pretty much played out as most of us predicted back in late 2015/early 2016. Edited October 16, 2018 by RONIN 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Z.I. Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 4 hours ago, EvanG said: Do you have any idea how hard it is to commit to anything when you haven't committed to anything in such a long time? Izzy has been living life on his own terms since he left GnR. He's been the boss of the system and has only done things on his own terms. That's a long fucking time. It's so hard to go back to living life partly on someone else's terms, which is what happens when you join a band. Axl said it best when Izzy was joining them on tour before... if he shows up it's great, but if he doesn't it's fine too, because they don't have to rely on him, the show can still go on without him. I think it's hard for anyone, let alone someone like Izzy, to go back to a huge machine like GnR or any other band, and committing to a two year tour when you've been living your life in freedom and doing whatever you want to do without really committing to anything for over 25 years, except making music on your own terms. I don't see it happening. One of my points is that if it had been a project at a smaller scale with a non-narcissistic leader (or at least one who was somewhat normal), maybe he would have stayed there. But the guys didn’t want that, they wanted to make it big again, and decided to go at it with a troubled mess of a leader –again. Another point is that some users try to make it look as if Izzy was a total unreliable flake, unable to commit to anything, as if the whole VR thing seemed perfectly normal from day one and that it was going to be all good and healthy fun and rock & roll. When we are in the position when we have to make a decision, we evaluate the circumstances, weigh the pros and cons and determine if it’s worth it or not. And those measures are different for everyone. I guess in Izzy’s case, his own personal stability was more important than making it big again, and why would he choose anything else when he made that same decision before and turned out for the best? Slash and Duff have different parameters and priorities. The rest is history. And I wouldn’t take Axl’s word for shit when it comes to commitments, reliability or anything in that domain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derick Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 It’s not rocket science guys! Izzy is not a “band guy”. Period! And I’m not talk only about GNR...So stop trying to incriminate the other GNR guys and start accepting the fact that Izzy is a lone wolf. His post GNR story is proof of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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