Popular Post Gibson87 Posted October 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/slash_on_not_being_highly_rated_in_guitar_magazine_polls_theres_this_obsession_with_technical_prowess.html "In this world of guitar - and I've been doing this for a long time - there's this obsession with technical prowess and technique and this, that and the other. Sort of like X Games - it's excelled to the point where you can watch guitar players literally blow your mind and make your jaw drop over all these things that they can do. It totally reminds me of when I used to race BMX - I look at BMX then and I look at what they're doing now, and I'm like, 'Fuck.' It's great, and I don't knock it, but you're always compared, everybody's compared to all these guitar players, and who's best, who's better, who's the fucking greatest this, and blah blah blah. "Some of it's on an emotional level, but most of it is technical and speed. The most important thing if I'm put in that place - because I'm really not trying to compete with anybody - is [that] somebody can recognize your voice. For me, any guitar player that's worth anything has something to say, and it's something that you can recognize - with one note or 1,600 notes, you know who the person is. You know they have a musical personality that comes out, just like when you're seeing an actor and they convey a certain presence that you know is unique to them. "I would be happy if people knew me as a guitar player by how I come across as an individual." Edited October 8, 2018 by Gibson_Guy87 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ralphelmo Posted October 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 8, 2018 37 minutes ago, Gibson_Guy87 said: "I would be happy if people knew me as a guitar player by how I come across as an individual." That's gold. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Slash not being rated highly in guitar magazine readers' polls is news to me as he is usually up there! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 I'm sure it doesn't bother guys like Mick Taylor, Billy Gibbons or Angus Young that much. It's almost a different occupation to be guys like Paul Gilbert or Steve Vai. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post appetite4illusions Posted October 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 9, 2018 It's only in the guitar community that technique matters or is really given any prestige. Average music listeners want melody. They want a guitar part that has a melody that they can remember, follow and embrace. They appreciate it in the context of the song and how it makes the song better. It's why people like David Gilmour have become universally loved. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 4 hours ago, appetite4illusions said: It's only in the guitar community that technique matters or is really given any prestige. Average music listeners want melody. They want a guitar part that has a melody that they can remember, follow and embrace. They appreciate it in the context of the song and how it makes the song better. It's why people like David Gilmour have become universally loved. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thunderram Posted October 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) I find this kind of odd because many of the 'greatest guitarist of all time' lists I've come across over the years, SLASH tends to rate quite highly. I actually saw one a couple weeks ago that had him top 10 IIRC. Hendrix was #1 and EVH was #2. But I do agree that most guitar snobs out there seem most impressed by speed and flawless technique over anything else. I've always judged it the same way I judge vocalists. There are singers out there that you can easily acknowledge are great singers and have great technique. But they're boring. They have no soul and/or are missing a certain tone or 'bite' to their voice. Many of my favorite vocalists are far from classically trained and just have unique voices/delivery. Guitar is exactly the same for me. Someone like SLASH will always catch my ear more than some Berkley College graduate that plays flawlessly but is missing everything else SLASH has. As SLASH alluded to in that interview, he has an identifiable sound that is unique to him. That's something every artist is searching for but isn't something that's always found. Actually, every member of GN'R has that quality which is one of many reasons the band was so kick ass. IMO Music is just like fine art. The most technically gifted artists aren't necessarily the best. Often it's the abstract and off-beat that catches attention. It's all about creating something that communicates to and resonates with others. Quite often it's the simplest thing that accomplishes it. Edited October 9, 2018 by thunderram 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 There's room for both. Slash is great at what he does, and someone like Yngwie Malmsteen is great at what he does. Also, there are some very melodic and tasteful players who are studied musicians (Steve Lukather, Paul Gilbert are two different the top of my head... Both can burn it up or come up with a simple melodic line, and are instantly recognizable). I don't think Slash is underrated in guitar mags, he's on the cover enough and he's always at least top 30 in the greatest polls. But let's get some perspective! There are A LOT of great guitar players, and yes some are more profecient than others and some people are preffered by more or less people... Just how it is! Not to forget all the great unheard guitar players who never got a big break. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 “This, that and the other” Boom! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ralphelmo Posted October 10, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2018 I think this video fits here really well: 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I think that guitarists who are extremely talented and can do all kinds of stuff with the guitar, tend to do just that and then they don't get to develop a signature unmistakable thing because they change things up again and again, just doing new things all the time. Whereas more limited guitarists, who have to stay within a more narrow range of what they can do in terms of technique, can more easily hone their skills within that limitation and tend to make music that is necessarily more similar each time, allowing them to be more easier recognized. I am not saying that either is more melodic or better at making riffs and solos that fit the music, but that the more limited players naturally tend to copy themselves more than the more versatile players. I also think that some of the more limited players have got that way because they have focused on developing their melodic playing and how to fit with the music, so they haven't to the same extent trained for speed or new techniques, because that has become secondary to what they have wanted to achieve with the music. Only when a new technique or increased speed has furthered the song, have they gone in that direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appetite4illusions Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 The faster someone tends to play, the more limited and one-dimensional they become. Music isn’t the notes but the spaces between the notes. My favorite guitar solos have been those that have dramatic changes in them, which leaves room for different techniques to be used - but never at the expense of the Melody. For instance, my all time favorite solo is My Sharona by The Knack. Berton Averre employs about a dozen different techniques - from legato runs to double stop bends and long sustained notes - but he lets every one of them build the Melody. You never feel he is simply showing off, all the parts of the solo come together to have its own amazing voice. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, Ralphelmo said: I think this video fits here really well: See that video... I hate the new album... but Call Of The Wild there sounds fucking awesome. Is it just me? Myles is like a black hole for the attitude Slash evidently still has. If that song had Axl on it... vintage Axl unquestionably but maybe even current Axl.... less layers...rawer... just a driving DTJ kinda beat... some venomous lyrics. That riff is way better than I initially gave it credit for.... but it's lost on that song. Same for that slinky Driving Rain verse riff.... now I'm mad about this whole thing again haha. Edited October 11, 2018 by Ant 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 7 hours ago, Ant said: See that video... I hate the new album... but Call Of The Wild there sounds fucking awesome. Is it just me? Myles is like a black hole for the attitude Slash evidently still has. If that song had Axl on it... vintage Axl unquestionably but maybe even current Axl.... less layers...rawer... just a driving DTJ kinda beat... some venomous lyrics. That riff is way better than I initially gave it credit for.... but it's lost on that song. Same for that slinky Driving Rain verse riff.... now I'm mad about this whole thing again haha. I thought the same when I heard that. But I already knew Myles is the weak link. But hearing Slash riffing like this, those songs with different arrangement could have been Stones numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Slash is the guitar hero of his generation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
©GnrPersia Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 (edited) Yeah honestly I agree with Slash on this one. It's not fucking UFC... Edited October 12, 2018 by ©GnrPersia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 I remember him saying a lot of dudes come to his shows nowadays with an arms-crossed, “show me what you got” guitar nerd vibe. I mean... I'm a guitar nerd... but that’s pretty lame. Could compelling rock even exist with today’s crowds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Ant said: I remember him saying a lot of dudes come to his shows nowadays with an arms-crossed, “show me what you got” guitar nerd vibe. I mean... I'm a guitar nerd... but that’s pretty lame. Could compelling rock even exist with today’s crowds? There’s much less personalties in rock music. There’s bands but no characters like Keef or Lemmy. There’s no megalomaniac singers. There’s no one with anything to say. I guess everyone says enough on twitter. Music is a soundtrack to posting memes or part of somekind of celebrity fashion thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicklord Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 10 minutes ago, wasted said: There’s much less personalties in rock music. There’s bands but no characters like Keef or Lemmy. There’s no megalomaniac singers. There’s no one with anything to say. I guess everyone says enough on twitter. Music is a soundtrack to posting memes or part of somekind of celebrity fashion thing. There are but now they're charged with sexual assaults Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, Nicklord said: There are but now they're charged with sexual assaults True you can’t really be like the Stones or Guns now. Coldplay and Muse are pretty safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Fan Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, wasted said: True you can’t really be like the Stones or Guns now. Coldplay and Muse are pretty safe. Hence why i suppose guns were the last "dangerous" band. Edited October 12, 2018 by Sydney Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 26 minutes ago, Sydney Fan said: Hence why i suppose guns were the last "dangerous" band. https://i.y.qq.com/v8/playsong.html?songmid=004aozvI41sSQE&ADTAG=myqq&from=myqq&channel=10007100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphelmo Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 40 minutes ago, Sydney Fan said: Hence why i suppose guns were the last "dangerous" band. There's only one dangerous band. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Nygma Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Slash used to be all those Guitar Magazine polls, used to see him in them all the time. Quick glace at a magazine in a shop/store, and there he'd be usually pretty high up the list too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Fan Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 16 hours ago, Ralphelmo said: There's only one dangerous band. Lol yes. Moved on from guns abit in 94 when far beyond driven was released. Regret not seeing them when they toured aus in that year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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