Gimpy Hewitt Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 (edited) With Axl’s vocal struggles over the recent times I feel like tuning down could be a viable option to help with his struggles. Personally I would hate to see them tune down as I feel it takes something out of great songs. Enter Sandman hasn’t been the same live since 1992. What is your guys opinions? Not sure if there’s been a topic on this yet to this point so I apologize if there is. Edited October 14, 2018 by Gimpy Hewitt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post zigzagbigbag Posted October 14, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 14, 2018 12 minutes ago, Gimpy Hewitt said: Personally I would hate to see them tune down as I feel it takes something out of great songs. Well, in my opinion it takes something out of GNRs great songs if they got Mickey Mouse on vocals instead of their actual singer Axl Rose. Hence, if tuning down means to get back Axl Rose, I am damn fine with it. In fact, I still don't get why Axl does not simply tune down his voice and sings every song with his deep "Its so easy" voice instead of ruining them with his attempts of sounding like he used to sound ages ago. Axl singing with his ISE voice on every other song would sound more like GNR (and way better) to me than a Disney character performing those songs. This is because at least I would identify the vocalist as Axl Rose singing my beloved songs. But instead of this simple solution we are now debating about the whole band tuning down and not just one member tuning down, the one member who causes the requirement of something to happen. 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post F*ck Fear Posted October 14, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 14, 2018 I still believe he can sing and sound like he did with AC/DC, just chooses not to. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powderfinger Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 I think most Guns stuff was written half a step down. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuzeville Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 12 minutes ago, Powderfinger said: I think most Guns stuff was written half a step down. True. It doesn't change the fact they could tune down even more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SoundOfAGun Posted October 14, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 14, 2018 31 minutes ago, Chuzeville said: True. It doesn't change the fact they could tune down even more. You may get another half step down to "D", but after that point, the guitars would start sounding less Hard Rock and more metal. Transposing to a different key might help but would change the feel of the song. Alternative versions would be better than than the weak old grandma voice, he could do a Robert Plant and sing an alternative melody to pace himself. Or just write some new tunes that suit his current range better than the ones he wrote 30+ years ago..... 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChristmasFnatic Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 16-20 songs like most bands but with no Mickey would be great! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhazUp Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 For me, yeah changing the key of songs changes the feel entirely, even by a half-step. Have you ever tried playing the SCOM intro in D standard tuning? It sounds "off" for lack of a better term, like not anywhere close to "Golden God Awards DJ Ashba SCOM" off haha but still just totally different than the original Considering Axl was able to slay it in 2016 with GNR, and with AC/DC (with AC/DC even with their original keys in standard tuning!), I would hope that he would be able to just simply get back to where he was a mere 2 years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaskingApathy Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 No because the timbre would sound completely different. 1 hour ago, zigzagbigbag said: Well, in my opinion it takes something out of GNRs great songs if they got Mickey Mouse on vocals instead of their actual singer Axl Rose. Hence, if tuning down means to get back Axl Rose, I am damn fine with it. In fact, I still don't get why Axl does not simply tune down his voice and sings every song with his deep "Its so easy" voice instead of ruining them with his attempts of sounding like he used to sound ages ago. Axl singing with his ISE voice on every other song would sound more like GNR (and way better) to me than a Disney character performing those songs. This is because at least I would identify the vocalist as Axl Rose singing my beloved songs. But instead of this simple solution we are now debating about the whole band tuning down and not just one member tuning down, the one member who causes the requirement of something to happen. There's definitely a few songs where he could do that. The outro of Coma would be a great place for that. 1 hour ago, F*ck Fear said: I still believe he can sing and sound like he did with AC/DC, just chooses not to. Agreed. Listen to Out Ta Get Me from Cincinnati 2016 (Steven's first appearance). His voice sounds great there. He's gotta save his voice and sustain it over a 3+ hour show, so I don't mind a little Mickey here and there. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t-p-d-a Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 why? Axl Rose can still hit the notes, see This I Love or AC/DCs songs. There is no reason to tune the songs down. The problem is the technic of his voice. His rasp is gone... and his breathing is bad.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Yeah, Axl should step up rather then Slash tune down (wordplay!). Its about the guitar set up and strings too. Slash traditionally plays Ernie Ball Power Slinky RPS 11-48 strings. On NITL he switched to Ernie Ball Paradigms, which are also advertised as "Slinky." The 48 gauge on the thicker strings is somewhat light and would maybe require a change to a lower gauge if down-tuned. And maybe Slinky (easily bendable) strings become an issue when being looser as a result of down tuning. Its a whole can of worms. https://www.guitarworld.com/artists/watch-slash-and-his-guitar-tech-discuss-ernie-ball-paradigm-strings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChristmasFnatic Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 hour ago, MaskingApathy said: No because the timbre would sound completely different. There's definitely a few songs where he could do that. The outro of Coma would be a great place for that. Agreed. Listen to Out Ta Get Me from Cincinnati 2016 (Steven's first appearance). His voice sounds great there. He's gotta save his voice and sustain it over a 3+ hour show, so I don't mind a little Mickey here and there. Maybe its Steven Adler's presence that brings the best of Axl Rose!!! That or the more original members there are(or members who released an album with him), the better he sings! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphelmo Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 AFD wouldn't sound good on D Standard, not to mention UYI with November Rain and Estranged... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamillos Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 That wouldn't change the way he sings NR, SCOM, YCBM, and others. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTV88 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 2 hours ago, MaskingApathy said: No because the timbre would sound completely different. There's definitely a few songs where he could do that. The outro of Coma would be a great place for that. Was just re-watching RIR 2017. Axl struggles with his lost voice so much in the Coma outro. He goes to the low voice for a bit, and it sounds pretty damn cool. Then he goes back to trying to hit notes that his voice just can't seem to do anymore. I'm not sure what his thought process is here. It's like he's trying to give fans the correct vocals even though he knows certain ranges of his voice are completely gone. And then there's Wichita Lineman; he hits all the correct notes and it sounds good. If there are any newly recorded vocals in the future for Axl, there surely won't be much in the way of the old screams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaskingApathy Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, DTV88 said: Was just re-watching RIR 2017. Axl struggles with his lost voice so much in the Coma outro. He goes to the low voice for a bit, and it sounds pretty damn cool. Then he goes back to trying to hit notes that his voice just can't seem to do anymore. I'm not sure what his thought process is here. It's like he's trying to give fans the correct vocals even though he knows certain ranges of his voice are completely gone. And then there's Wichita Lineman; he hits all the correct notes and it sounds good. If there are any newly recorded vocals in the future for Axl, there surely won't be much in the way of the old screams. RIR was an overall not so good show for Axl (and arguably the rest of the band). He sounded worse than usual that night. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTV88 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 minute ago, MaskingApathy said: RIR was an overall not so good show for Axl (and arguably the rest of the band). He sounded worse than usual that night. Yeah, it's a tough watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourMother'sDruthers Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 He needs to just sing in a lower register in every song, like Elton john has since the 80s. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ant Posted October 14, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 14, 2018 (edited) I think it’s a good idea. I made this topic a while back... most people said no. But it sounds cool to me... especially if it means more consistent delivery. Nightrain especially sounds cool as hell haha (7mins in). Just because he can hit the notes in Eb doesn’t mean tuning down wouldn’t potentially make it more comfortable... if it’s easier to get to where he needs to be note wise maybe he can work in that zone better and rasp it the fuck up. Edited October 14, 2018 by Ant 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedYourIllusion Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Best case scenario would be a reinclusion of Izzy and Steven into the band, at least Sorum. Izzy could sing Dust N' Bones and 14 years, maybe a solo track. Add So Fine to the list. Remove You Could Be Mine, even in 2009/10 and 06 he struggled at times to sing it along with Coma and Rocket Queen. Add songs like You Ain't the First, Bad Obsession, Pretty Tied Up, Black Leather, and a solo Axl song before November Rain, something he can sing with his natural voice. Having other band members sing more songs, and having more songs he can sing with his baritone voice and removing the excessive times for each show could help a great deal with each show and tour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourteenbeers Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Oldest Goat said: Make the setlist shorter and sweeter. Another solution: play just ISE and BHS in a loop for two hours. That way they don't have to tune down anything. Edited October 14, 2018 by Fourteenbeers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towelie Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Fourteenbeers said: Another solution: play just ISE and BHS in a loop for two hours. That way they don't have to tune down anything. You could add Mr Brownstone to that list. He still sounds ropey in places on BHS, especially at the end. Edited October 14, 2018 by Towelie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post guitarpatch Posted October 14, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 14, 2018 The top of his range has really never been an issue for him. Tuning down won’t really solve much of anything. The GNR catalog requires him to change registers pretty frequently over the course of a 3 hr set. That’s the main issue that people perceive. When he’s off it’s usually more due to his middle register and jumping back and forth from it. ACDC sounds more consistent because those songs don’t really deviate and are similar in range. Thing is Axl wasn’t consistent even 25 yrs ago. It’s always been hit or miss to a degree. However when he’s on it’s still freakin transcendent to this day. Victory or Death 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlRoseCDII Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 8 minutes ago, guitarpatch said: The top of his range has really never been an issue for him. Tuning down won’t really solve much of anything. The GNR catalog requires him to change registers pretty frequently over the course of a 3 hr set. That’s the main issue that people perceive. When he’s off it’s usually more due to his middle register and jumping back and forth from it. ACDC sounds more consistent because those songs don’t really deviate and are similar in range. Thing is Axl wasn’t consistent even 25 yrs ago. It’s always been hit or miss to a degree. However when he’s on it’s still freakin transcendent to this day. Victory or Death Exactly. Tuning down is not going to solve anything. Look at Nice Boys with Angry Anderson. All you’ll get is a tuned down Mickey. His middle range is what he struggles to hit, not the high notes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphelmo Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 3 hours ago, Ant said: I think it’s a good idea. I made this topic a while back... most people said no. Sounds like Motley Crue, Dr. Feelgood or something. I don't like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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