Gimpy Hewitt Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 20 hours ago, RussTCB said: Just yesterday I had a Facebook memory pop up from the time I saw them in Vegas and they did The Seeker for the first time. I was so pissed to be at such a "special" show Was that 2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lio Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 16 minutes ago, Free Bird said: Sorry but your opinion doesn't mean shit when you even refused to attend to a gig. The Hanover concert in 2017 was probably the best gig I ever saw regardless of peoples opinion on Axl's voice who judge while watching periscope or lame youtube videos. 3 minutes ago, Towelie said: Oh yes, I forgot Axl sounds magically different in person and the Youtube videos lie. Don't fight. In the end you're both happy. One because he did go, the other because he didn't. 😋 I've stopped getting too much Involved in these discussions as they're useless. I've seen them on this tour many times now, and I've enjoyed every show. Countless others did too. In spite of all the Doomsday posts here, I've read many positive reviews. Many people don't like it and that's alright, it's all subjectieve, but it's a bit silly to say these numbers don't mean a thing and 5 million people have been mugged. I saw nothing but happy faces at the shows. I think the percentage of people feeling mugged after seeing a +3 hours show is small. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towelie Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Lio said: Don't fight. In the end you're both happy. One because he did go, the other because he didn't. 😋 I've stopped getting too much Involved in these discussions as they're useless. I've seen them on this tour many times now, and I've enjoyed every show. Countless others did too. In spite of all the Doomsday posts here, I've read many positive reviews. Many people don't like it and that's alright, it's all subjectieve, but it's a bit silly to say these numbers don't mean a thing and 5 million people have been mugged. I saw nothing but happy faces at the shows. I think the percentage of people feeling mugged after seeing a +3 hours show is small. I'm sorry, but the whole YouTube thing is such a lame fucking argument. These fans act as if Axl's out of tune, out of time, painful vocals don't exist when you're actually there in person. They do, you're just too invested in having a good time to give an objective opinion about the quality of Axl's performance. Edited November 9, 2018 by Towelie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lio Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 8 minutes ago, Towelie said: I'm sorry, but the whole YouTube thing is such a lame fucking argument. These fans act as if Axl's out of tune, out of time, painful vocals don't exist when you're actually there in person. They do, you're just too invested in having a good time to give an objective opinion about the quality of Axl's performance. I haven't said anything about the YouTube thing. That's still a mystery to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DieselDaisy Posted November 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 9, 2018 The phone/youtube clip argument is comically illogical: far poorer recording technology (than today's smart phones) rendered up superb vocals from Axl circa 2006 or for that matter Axl 1985-93 (your trusted analogue tape recorder) haha. Heck, Axl/DC youtube clips were recorded on the exact same technology as NITL clips! How does this same phone technology, unremarked upon during Axl/DC, suddenly become ''defective'' when rendering up shockingly bad vocals from NITL tour? 3 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towelie Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said: The phone/youtube clip argument is comically illogical: far poorer recording technology (than today's smart phones) rendered up superb vocals from Axl circa 2006 or for that matter Axl 1985-93 (your trusted analogue tape recorder) haha. Heck, Axl/DC youtube clips were recorded on the exact same technology as NITL clips! How does this same phone technology, unremarked upon during Axl/DC, suddenly become ''defective'' when rendering up shockingly bad vocals from NITL tour? Phone camera footage uploaded onto Youtube can only be trusted if Axl sings passably well. The quality of the technology and even the humidity of the fucking venue are all called into question when he sounds bad. Phones cameras cannot be trusted. I actually sing like Freddie Mercury, but when I record myself on my crappy iPhone camera, it makes me sound completely tone deaf. It's a very strange phenomenon. Edited November 9, 2018 by Towelie 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 2 hours ago, Gimpy Hewitt said: Was that 2012 Maybe? I know it was in November, but I'm not entirely sure on the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towelie Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 1 minute ago, lukepowell1988 said: I find your version of killer queen fucking magical actually Yes, but it has to be seen to be believed. It sounds ropey as shit on those blasted iPhone cameras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amir Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Wow, The Seeker has been in the setlist for 6 years?! Been performed 197 times : https://www.setlist.fm/stats/guns-n-roses-7bd69e24.html By the end of this tour it'll over 200... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 2 hours ago, Towelie said: I'm sorry, but the whole YouTube thing is such a lame fucking argument. These fans act as if Axl's out of tune, out of time, painful vocals don't exist when you're actually there in person. They do, you're just too invested in having a good time to give an objective opinion about the quality of Axl's performance. Yes - but it's the people who are at the shows who've paid their money - if they enjoy the show - what do you care? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killuridols Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 38 minutes ago, Towelie said: Phones cameras cannot be trusted. I actually sing like Freddie Mercury, but when I record myself on my crappy iPhone camera, it makes me sound completely tone deaf. It's a very strange phenomenon. Your voice is better than ever!! Don't worry about all these negative comments, they are just haters! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tori72 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Towelie said: Phone camera footage uploaded onto Youtube can only be trusted if Axl sings passably well. The quality of the technology and even the humidity of the fucking venue are all called into question when he sounds bad. Phones cameras cannot be trusted. I actually sing like Freddie Mercury, but when I record myself on my crappy iPhone camera, it makes me sound completely tone deaf. It's a very strange phenomenon. This is the funniest shit I read all day. Thank you very much for this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourteenbeers Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Amir said: Wow, The Seeker has been in the setlist for 6 years?! And I still don't remember the lyrics or the melody of that song. I haven't never really paid attention to it (not even when I saw them live). Total blank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, Towelie said: I'm sorry, but the whole YouTube thing is such a lame fucking argument. These fans act as if Axl's out of tune, out of time, painful vocals don't exist when you're actually there in person. They do, you're just too invested in having a good time to give an objective opinion about the quality of Axl's performance. It's not illogical. Will you argue that the energy, the atmosphere and the fun you'll experience on a live show can be transferred through a youtube video? I don't say Axl sounds perfect live. He doesn't. But after all it's a rock n roll show with a lot of energy and there's more to enjoy than just Axl's vocals. And even that. We all know he has his problems with certain songs. But stop acting like he sounds awful on every track while praising the 2012 shows. The songs I like the most he managed to sing very well. So yeah, definitely. The shows I went to were awesome shows IMO, and considering the reactions from people I talked to after the shows, I wasn't the only one feeling that way. But it's easy to stay home and judging over something you weren't part of while 70K people who have watched the show have a different opinion. Edited November 9, 2018 by Free Bird 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towelie Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 18 minutes ago, Free Bird said: It's not illogical. Will you argue that the energy, the atmosphere and the fun you'll experience on a live show can be transferred through a youtube video? I don't say Axl sounds perfect live. He doesn't. But after all it's a rock n roll show with a lot of energy and there's more to enjoy than just Axl's vocals. And even that. We all know he has his problems with certain songs. But stop acting like he sounds awful on every track while praising the 2012 shows. The songs I like the most he managed to sing very well. So yeah, definitely. The shows I went to were awesome shows IMO, and considering the reactions from people I talked to after the shows, I wasn't the only one feeling that way. But it's easy to stay home and judging over something you weren't part of while 70K people who have watched the show have a different opinion. Well, if I'd have dropped $300+ on tickets, travel and accomodation, I would've likely been hellbent on making the most of it and having a great time as well. But me having a good time wouldn't change anything about the quality of Axl's vocals, which can fairly and objectively be assessed on a YouTube clip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlIsGod. Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 15 minutes ago, Towelie said: Well, if I'd have dropped $300+ on tickets, travel and accomodation, I would've likely been hellbent on making the most of it and having a great time as well. But me having a good time wouldn't change anything about the quality of Axl's vocals, which can fairly and objectively be assessed on a YouTube clip. So that explains why you're hellbent on saying how good 2012 was 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towelie Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 58 minutes ago, AxlIsGod. said: So that explains why you're hellbent on saying how good 2012 was Haha, touche. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 3 hours ago, Towelie said: Well, if I'd have dropped $300+ on tickets, travel and accomodation, I would've likely been hellbent on making the most of it and having a great time as well. But me having a good time wouldn't change anything about the quality of Axl's vocals, which can fairly and objectively be assessed on a YouTube clip. Like I said, he delivered on the songs that were important to me most of all a GNR concert is more than just Axl to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 On 08/11/2018 at 5:09 PM, AxlIsGod. said: lol at 2012 being any better than now. Maybe the start of legs currently yes, but we all remember bridge school. Yeh, bridge school was shit, and if sure there was a handful of other shit gigs... But the actual tour was pretty consistent. He sang as well as he did on the first leg of the NITL tour almost every night.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sl4yer Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 38 minutes ago, Tom2112 said: Yeh, bridge school was shit, and if sure there was a handful of other shit gigs... But the actual tour was pretty consistent. He sang as well as he did on the first leg of the NITL tour almost every night.. After watching AFDem and London Show from 2012 I don't agree at all. 2016 Axl was much better. He looked much better and sang much better. For Example Nightrain sounded weak in 2012 and sounded amazing in 2016.. 2012 can be compared with 2017-Now (and still I don't see 2012 winning) but not with 2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlIsGod. Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Tom2112 said: Yeh, bridge school was shit, and if sure there was a handful of other shit gigs... But the actual tour was pretty consistent. He sang as well as he did on the first leg of the NITL tour almost every night.. Yeah, no. 2012 was the other way round. Odd standout gig (philly, other bits of the UCAP tour) but mostly mickey and weaker than NITL. And we got bridge school to top it all off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sl4yer Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 28 minutes ago, AxlIsGod. said: Yeah, no. 2012 was the other way round. Odd standout gig (philly, other bits of the UCAP tour) but mostly mickey and weaker than NITL. And we got bridge school to top it all off. + he looked like Dr. Eggman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Nothing to do with crowd size impresses me. Some of the absolute best shows I've seen have been in front of small to tiny crowds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 11 hours ago, sl4yer said: After watching AFDem and London Show from 2012 I don't agree at all. 2016 Axl was much better. He looked much better and sang much better. For Example Nightrain sounded weak in 2012 and sounded amazing in 2016.. 2012 can be compared with 2017-Now (and still I don't see 2012 winning) but not with 2016 I don't agree. I think the benefit of Old members gave him a buy through more so than 2012. London wasn't a particularly good show, in fact most of the pro shots from that year were not the stand out shows unfortunately... We all know how Axl us when there's cameras! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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