ChineseDemocracy2004 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 24 minutes ago, Sweersa said: I agree on the latter. I believe GNR needs someone like Buckethead or Bumblefoot (from a style and abilities standpoint) to tackle those types of solos. Slash is great for his, and Robin's solos or the slower BH/Bumblefoot solos like in Sorry and Catcher. I listened to a Hybrid GN'R version of Sorry recently. I agree Slash does alright on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedYourIllusion Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 So it's weird, I feel like Axl understood that some of the songs might have been a little overproduced. For example, when playing Sorry live, he seemed to sing with his normal singing voice, instead of going a little higher-like on the record (and without the doubling and tripling of his voice. That's what Sorry should sound like on the record, imo, rather than what we got. Is that just me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Nygma Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 Love the drums on the entirety of CD. Without the original members or Illusion members, I think Axl managed a stellar job on CD. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6lake sa66ath Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 The best bit is the liner notes where Axl thanks Trump Hotels! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillyRose Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, UsedYourIllusion said: So it's weird, I feel like Axl understood that some of the songs might have been a little overproduced. For example, when playing Sorry live, he seemed to sing with his normal singing voice, instead of going a little higher-like on the record (and without the doubling and tripling of his voice. That's what Sorry should sound like on the record, imo, rather than what we got. Is that just me? His vocals aren't doubled or tripled on Sorry ... The chorus features Axl singing with a mid-range voice with Sebastian Bach falsetto'ing overtop & even a mixed layer of them both in the middle .. And Bach's high singing is still being played in this live performance BTW Edited November 24, 2018 by PhillyRose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedYourIllusion Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 15 minutes ago, PhillyRose said: His vocals aren't doubled or tripled on Sorry ... The chorus features Axl singing with a mid-range voice with Sebastian Bach falsetto'ing overtop & even a mixed layer of them both in the middle Well either way, there's a load of production in the vocals; and (even despite the fact that they play the background vocals live) Axl just sings it normally live, with the same timbre and range he sings Don't Cry with. Personally it sounds 10,000 times better that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsdrummer63 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 19 hours ago, vloors said: http://ultimateclassicrock.com/guns-n-roses-chinese-democracy-long-wait/ Year by year breakdown from 97 onwards I just read this and wow they have A LOT of unreleased stuff. If in 1999 there were 70 songs recorded thats crazy. Slash and duff must have had a lot to listen to. Can't imagine how much stuff is just sitting there 19 years later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Gunsdrummer63 said: I just read this and wow they have A LOT of unreleased stuff. If in 1999 there were 70 songs recorded thats crazy. Slash and duff must have had a lot to listen to. Can't imagine how much stuff is just sitting there 19 years later Fortus said there are probably enough tunes for 3 or even 4 albums. Even back in 1999 May said there were 2 albums with vocals, Dizzy said there's a shitload of material and Duff confirmed recently Axl got a zillion tunes. I wouldn't be surprised if there are 50 completed tunes. All things con, sounds about right for 20 years. A trilogy would be greatly appreciated but a double album could work too. Edited November 24, 2018 by Rovim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Nygma Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 Its the chances of the stuff being released that's the real challenge. I'd love for Caram Costanzo to have produced those completed tracks, I dig his production skills, along with Axl's. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedYourIllusion Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 I hope that these CD II and III vocals are up to snuff, stuff that could be built upon by Slash and Duff. Fortus, Slash could definitely make a good studio tandem if they have the right sound for the guitars. I want thicccccc slash TSI and Appetite tone. Mixed with good arrangements and the cut-down cohesion that CD tracks have with the current-line up could make for a kick-ass record! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azifwekare Posted November 25, 2018 Author Share Posted November 25, 2018 On 24/11/2018 at 12:06 AM, RussTCB said: It's insane how bad the pressings are. Such a shame! Tbh I'm not much of a vinyl guy, but I always thought that was one of the rare albums that sounded just as good on vinyl as it did on CD, with the exception of the usual quality deterioration on the inner tracks. It's amazing that it sounds as good as it does on vinyl, considering how much was packed into the mix. Bob Ludwig did an amazing job at mastering that beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 22 minutes ago, Azifwekare said: Tbh I'm not much of a vinyl guy, but I always thought that was one of the rare albums that sounded just as good on vinyl as it did on CD, with the exception of the usual quality deterioration on the inner tracks. It's amazing that it sounds as good as it does on vinyl, considering how much was packed into the mix. Bob Ludwig did an amazing job at mastering that beast. Wait... What? That's totally backwards lol. I own thousands of LPs and Chinese Democracy is hands down the absolute worst sounding record I own. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uzi your illusion Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 I love it as much now as I did when I heard the first demos and when I bought it 10 years ago. I'm just too close to it to give an unbiased opinion I think. I wanted to love it because I love Axl and wanted him to hit a home run and in my mind he did. But I know in saying that I have a definite side, just like a lot of the haters who blamed Axl solely for the breakup of the band weren't going to like this at any cost. Tough to get a clear unbiased read on the album but I find myself relistening over and over again. Job well done for all involved and I appreciated the effort. I'll tell you something from the time of the release that never sat well with me though. When the November 2008 rolling stone magazine came out they gave it 4 out of 4 stars with the headline reading "the most anticipated album of all time and Axl made it worth the wait". A glowing song by song breakdown that was super complimentary. Then about 2 months later on the rolling stone website if you searched for the Chinese Democracy review it linked to a 2.5 star lukewarm review by a different writer. WTF!? I remember reading around that time that Axl had written an in depth piece about his side of the original lineup's implosion and what it took to rebuild and rolling stone had told him whenever he was ready to put it out they would make space. I've always assumed they did that bait and switch review bullshit because of something in relation to that. Maybe Axl told them it was done and to clear their schedule then pulled back or something like that. Anyone remember this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnfnrs1972 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 I went and bought the album and celebrated by eating at a chinese restaurant. I have always liked the album, would take 5 more just like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourteenbeers Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 (edited) Happy 10th anniversary, CD! Edited November 25, 2018 by Fourteenbeers 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RussTCB Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, Fourteenbeers said: Happy 10th anniversary, CD! I don't think I've ever seen that pic. I always remember one with them outside of Best Buy holding their copies. That picture also reminds me of how bummed I was was I went into Best Buy and saw that was what they meant by "monumental promotion" lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourteenbeers Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, RussTCB said: I don't think I've ever seen that pic. I always remember one with them outside of Best Buy holding their copies. That picture also reminds me of how bummed I was was I went into Best Buy and saw that was what they meant by "monumental promotion" lol I found it here about an hour ago: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 24 minutes ago, Fourteenbeers said: Happy 10th anniversary, CD! Haha! Surprised there wasn't a $2000 box set option with a print of this photo, replica of his sun glasses and a mustache tattoo included 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourteenbeers Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, soon said: Haha! Surprised there wasn't a $2000 box set option with a print of this photo, replica of his sun glasses and a mustache tattoo included Don't give them any ideas.. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Fourteenbeers said: Happy 10th anniversary, CD! is an old photo❓ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourteenbeers Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Ratam said: is an old photo❓ Probably taken around the time when the album was released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 51 minutes ago, Fourteenbeers said: Probably taken around the time when the album was released. Thank you👌 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towelie Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 On 24/11/2018 at 3:26 AM, RussTCB said: Just played it straight through for my usual crowd in Friday nights. For many people it was their first time hearing anything off of it. Heaps of praise of course. I love your album nights. I don't think I know anybody in my life who'd be willing to sit and listen to an entire album I love beginning to end, other than my long-suffering wife. On 24/11/2018 at 3:26 AM, RussTCB said: Just played it straight through for my usual crowd in Friday nights. For many people it was their first time hearing anything off of it. Heaps of praise of course. I love your album nights. I don't think I know anybody in my life who'd be willing to sit and listen to an entire album I love beginning to end, other than my long-suffering wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 23 minutes ago, Towelie said: I love your album nights. I don't think I know anybody in my life who'd be willing to sit and listen to an entire album I love beginning to end, other than my long-suffering wife. I love your album nights. I don't think I know anybody in my life who'd be willing to sit and listen to an entire album I love beginning to end, other than my long-suffering wife. If you ever happen to be in my area, you're more than welcome to come by. We've had quite a few folks from the forum join us over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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