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45 minutes ago, Legendador said:

With all the leaks and everything by the time it was on MySpace the record was already old news. This is common practice when there's no leaks. 

Exactly. The record was released at such an odd time with record companies having little to no understand how the internet works. 

Back then, there was no accounting, as far as charts go, for things like "myspace spins". Nowadays, things like Spotify plays count every bit as much as a record sale. At least in the mind of the record companies, who still don't understand exactly how the internet effects their business.

To me, it's a miracle that the record ended up charting as high as it did the US upon release.

We'll have to see what happens going forward because I think a GNR studio album would do really well digitally these days. 

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I still remember when the Record came out. There were people buying 8 and 11 copies of Chinese Democracy. Other people buying it in all formats available. it was crazy!

I mean who does that ?? Buying 11 copies of the same record ?!?

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18 minutes ago, Propaganda said:

I still remember when the Record came out. There were people buying 8 and 11 copies of Chinese Democracy. Other people buying it in all formats available. it was crazy!

I mean who does that ?? Buying 11 copies of the same record ?!?

I bought the CD and LP when it came out. After I found out the LP was a terrible pressing, I tried a few more hoping to get something better but I was never able to. Turns out oretty much all copies of CD on vinyl as junk, which blows! 

Only time I bought more copies was when it ended up in the discount bins at the $1 stores in the US. I bought some more copies at that time for friends who ended up liking the album. 

I remember people buying a bunch of copies on release day like you're saying though. Crazy! 

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5 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

After I found out the LP was a terrible pressing, I tried a few more hoping to get something better but I was never able to. Turns out oretty much all copies of CD on vinyl as junk, which blows! 

Is the mix bad or is it just really low quality? I bought the vinyl over the summer and haven't had a chance to listen to it yet 

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2 minutes ago, Gibson_Guy87 said:

Is the mix bad or is it just really low quality? I bought the vinyl over the summer and haven't had a chance to listen to it yet 

It's the worst case if inner groove distortion I've ever heard in my life. So the songs near the beginning of each side sound great, then as the needle gets closer to the center of the record the sound starts to degrade. By the time you're on the last track of each side, it's pretty much unlistenable. 

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7 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

I bought the CD and LP when it came out. After I found out the LP was a terrible pressing, I tried a few more hoping to get something better but I was never able to. Turns out oretty much all copies of CD on vinyl as junk, which blows! 

Only time I bought more copies was when it ended up in the discount bins at the $1 stores in the US. I bought some more copies at that time for friends who ended up liking the album. 

I remember people buying a bunch of copies on release day like you're saying though. Crazy! 

I don't collect Vinyl (even though I should), but I had heard about the problem of CD sounding like crap on Vinyl.

Care to elaborate on that? What really is the problem? Is it the sound quality that poorer than expected?

Cause in my opinion the production of the album is very crappy. Specifically on songs like Chinese Democracy, Sorry, Better, There Was a Time and Shacklers Revenge, Catcher in the Rye, I think it's very noticeable.

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Just now, Propaganda said:

I don't collect Vinyl (even though I should), but I had heard about the problem of CD sounding like crap on Vinyl.

Care to elaborate on that? What really is the problem? Is it the sound quality that poorer than expected?

Cause in my opinion the production of the album is very crappy. Specifically on songs like Chinese Democracy, Sorry, Better, There Was a Time and Shacklers Revenge, Catcher in the Rye, I think it's very noticeable.

See the reply just above this. I think I posted it at the same time you posted your question. The short version is that inner groove distortion is the culprit. 

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48 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

Exactly. The record was released at such an odd time with record companies having little to no understand how the internet works. 

Back then, there was no accounting, as far as charts go, for things like "myspace spins". Nowadays, things like Spotify plays count every bit as much as a record sale. At least in the mind of the record companies, who still don't understand exactly how the internet effects their business.

To me, it's a miracle that the record ended up charting as high as it did the US upon release.

We'll have to see what happens going forward because I think a GNR studio album would do really well digitally these days. 

The thing is they made that Best Buy deal actually to cut any losses, what they count in is all best buy sales, which don't reflect actual fans buying the record. If I remember it right, at one point the album had a major discount price, also they had that Doctor Pepper thing in between.

I don't know, I guess the album also didn't sell (if compared to the prior albums), because there was no real promotion, the real fans already had all the songs in at least three to four mixes, it also did not help that "Better" was the first single, because there are more important songs in that record than "Better", that did not resemble classic GNR at all. People didn't feel it was GNR, maybe if they chose Madagascar or Street of Dreams as the first single the story would be different.

To me it's way simpler, people didn't buy records anymore back then (I bought it for the booklet and to support the band), that's why I feel a new GNR record is compared to "shoot yourself in the foot".

Release EPs, 2 to 4 songs each, release individual singles... I don't know.

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12 minutes ago, Propaganda said:

I don't collect Vinyl (even though I should), but I had heard about the problem of CD sounding like crap on Vinyl.

Care to elaborate on that? What really is the problem? Is it the sound quality that poorer than expected?

Cause in my opinion the production of the album is very crappy. Specifically on songs like Chinese Democracy, Sorry, Better, There Was a Time and Shacklers Revenge, Catcher in the Rye, I think it's very noticeable.

I always felt that CD sounded watered. To me it lacked a more deep and proeminet bass sound, and it also has so many sound layers, I bet that in "TWAT" you can hear 5 different guitar parts at the same time + plus bass + plus sub-bass, plus all vocal layers, plus the piano, plus the orchestra!

I love you Axl Rose, but you drive us mad! :bitchfight:

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2 hours ago, Legendador said:

The thing is they made that Best Buy deal actually to cut any losses, what they count in is all best buy sales, which don't reflect actual fans buying the record. If I remember it right, at one point the album had a major discount price, also they had that Doctor Pepper thing in between.

I don't know, I guess the album also didn't sell (if compared to the prior albums), because there was no real promotion, the real fans already had all the songs in at least three to four mixes, it also did not help that "Better" was the first single, because there are more important songs in that record than "Better", that did not resemble classic GNR at all. People didn't feel it was GNR, maybe if they chose Madagascar or Street of Dreams as the first single the story would be different.

To me it's way simpler, people didn't buy records anymore back then (I bought it for the booklet and to support the band), that's why I feel a new GNR record is compared to "shoot yourself in the foot".

Release EPs, 2 to 4 songs each, release individual singles... I don't know.

I don't agree with the part of the single. The first single showcased was "Chinese Democracy", but I think "Better" is clearly the best song on the record. I don't think that there is a better song to have been made a single of, than "Better".

if you had put "Madagascar" or "Street of Dreams", the album would have immediately suffer, and it would expose Chinese Democracy as being a "soft record". This was the re-introduction to GNR, so I think the first single would have always to be a full on rocker type of song, that would put GNR in its original category, even though it sounded different from Classic GNR stuff.

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3 minutes ago, Legendador said:

I always felt that CD sounded watered. To me it lacked a more deep and proeminet bass sound, and it also has so many sound layers, I bet that in "TWAT" you can hear 5 different guitar parts at the same time + plus bass + plus sub-bass, plus all vocal layers, plus the piano, plus the orchestra!

I love you Axl Rose, but you drive us mad! :bitchfight:

You're absolutely right on the bass, and I would add the that the drums are also watered down in most of the songs (The title track Chinese Democracy is a perfect example of that, that intro right after the scream is soft as well, it lost that explosion factor, it has no bass whatsoever), and the background sounds are too loud on some songs (cacther) and too low on others (There Was a Time, Sorry, Better).

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4 minutes ago, Propaganda said:

I don't agree with the part of the single. The first single showcased was "Chinese Democracy", but I think "Better" is clearly the best song on the record. I don't think that is a better song to have been made a single of, than "Better".

if you had put "Madagascar" or "Street of Dreams", the album would have immediately suffer, and it would expose Chinese Democracy as being a "soft record". This was the re-introduction to GNR, so I think the first single would have always to be a full on rocker type of song, that would put GNR in its original category, even though it sounded different from Classic GNR stuff.

Whatever happened to "OH MY GOD"? it should be on the record and it could be a killer first single, to me it screamed REINVENTION or a GNR on Steroids.

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24 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

It's the worst case if inner groove distortion I've ever heard in my life. So the songs near the beginning of each side sound great, then as the needle gets closer to the center of the record the sound starts to degrade. By the time you're on the last track of each side, it's pretty much unlistenable. 

The Euro release sounds so much better than the US LP

https://www.discogs.com/Guns-N-Roses-Chinese-Democracy/release/1913716

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6 minutes ago, Legendador said:

Whatever happened to "OH MY GOD"? it should be on the record and it could be a killer first single, to me it screamed REINVENTION or a GNR on Steroids.

Completely agree! It just needed a better mix, a more stereo mix.

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6 minutes ago, Evan442 said:

The Euro release sounds so much better than the US LP

https://www.discogs.com/Guns-N-Roses-Chinese-Democracy/release/1913716

I've heard that opinion, but I'm not quite sure how that's possible. I would assume the same stampers were used to make it. 

However, I'd be happy to try it out some time. Maybe or order one sooner or later. Can't hurt to try a 20th copy! Lol

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1 hour ago, RussTCB said:

I've heard that opinion, but I'm not quite sure how that's possible. I would assume the same stampers were used to make it. 

However, I'd be happy to try it out some time. Maybe or order one sooner or later. Can't hurt to try a 20th copy! Lol

I actually have a copy of it - the UK release has different matrix numbers compared to the US.  

I know this has nothing to do with the groove distortion on the US release, but I remember the US LP being scuffed up right out of the packaging with blemishes, scratches, etc.  The UK copy I have looks like a pristine audiophile LP - not a mark on it

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2 hours ago, BlueJean Baby said:

Got mine Saturday 😊

It's a beautiful thing 😉

Still nothing here :(

May I Ask you in which country do you live?

Did you receive an email before it Was dispatched or something Like that?

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6 minutes ago, Italian girl said:

Still nothing here :(

May I Ask you in which country do you live?

Did you receive an email before it Was dispatched or something Like that?

I love in the US in Atlanta, GA. Ordered it they day they announced it and got email the next morning said it shipped via regular mail with a tracking number 😊

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I got that email too, But then nothing happened.

I live in Italy of course.. I Hope It wasn't been Lost or Stolen from my mail box :(

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People go to the concerts to hear their favorite songs.  But from our experience we shouldn't act like we are entitled to new music and give joy to two different things that we never thought would happen. 1. Chinese Democracy being released.  2. Axl being on the same stage as Slash. Would I like to hear new music? YES. But I don't feel entitled to it.

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1 hour ago, Evan442 said:

I actually have a copy of it - the UK release has different matrix numbers compared to the US.  

I know this has nothing to do with the groove distortion on the US release, but I remember the US LP being scuffed up right out of the packaging with blemishes, scratches, etc.  The UK copy I have looks like a pristine audiophile LP - not a mark on it

Dammit, now I'm going to have to order one. 

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7 hours ago, Laced Bedpill said:

I've been waiting half of my life hoping that someday I'd hear a new studio recording with Slash and Axl together. It feels like we're so close but still so far away.

Please happen!

Patience 

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2 hours ago, Billly B said:

People go to the concerts to hear their favorite songs.  But from our experience we shouldn't act like we are entitled to new music and give joy to two different things that we never thought would happen. 1. Chinese Democracy being released.  2. Axl being on the same stage as Slash. Would I like to hear new music? YES. But I don't feel entitled to it.

:lol:the old "you're not entitled to new music" routine. Been a while since we've seen that chestnut.

Allow me to remind you that no one on this board has told fans over and over and over that new music is coming. People like Axl himself, Dizzy, Richard and Tommy have done that for years. Absolutely no one feels entitled. However, everyone is at least hopefully that one of the people in the band who've said new music is coming will actually be right one day.

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