"All of the material that hadn't been released was coming out in 2016, then the reunion happened." Tom Zutaut

[Lies They Tell]

10 hours ago, themadcaplaughs said:

The 2010 album story (from MSL so take it with a grain of salt) was that Axl really did want to release a follow-up album in 2009 (similar to Kid A and Amnesiac or Load and ReLoad), but all the 2008/2009 drama happened: trouble with Azoff and lawsuit, planned spring/summer 2009 tour being cancelled, Axl being pissed the label did not promote Chinese Democracy, etc. However, Axl apparently got inspired after playing live again in late 2009 and early 2010, and decided to pursue releasing new music again. Management went to the label in summer 2010, and asked about using the Reading and Leeds festivals as an opportunity to announce a new album to be released in late 2010/early 2011 (similar to how they used the VMAs in 2002 to announce the North American tour). Per MSL, Axl wanted the album to be self-titled (either Guns N' Roses or GN'R). The label told Axl that was way too short of a turn-around to release an album (which, in all fairness, seems reasonable). Axl apparently got furious, broke up the band, and posted that tweet about shows being cancelled. When management/Team Brazil was finally able to get Axl calmed down, they used the "hack" story as an excuse. Apparently, this was when Axl really stopped caring a ton about releasing new music, and did not even approach the idea again until 2014 (after the Vegas residency). 

Regarding a follow-up album, I would imagine it is really close to done, but might need just a little extra work prior to releasing. I would assume that was why Pittman hung out with Axl in the studio in 2014/2015; to take stock of what songs were available, and in what stage of completion they were. It was mentioned here, by mods, that the rumor was Axl really inspired again, and wanted an album release in 2016 (and even went so far as to begin auditioning new guitarists to replace Bumblefoot to play live and potentially record in the studio). (Another MSL rumor at the time was that the band auditioned a female guitarist DJ Ashba recommended. The GN'R community assumed it was Orianthi, but we never heard much besides that). Would an album have come out in 2016? Knowing the band's history with deadlines, probably not, but it was certainly the intention. Once DJ left, however, the door opened for Slash to come back, and the focus became tour planning. 

Assuming the 2010 album rumor was true, I noticed some here have asked "what would be different between 2010 and 2019." The answer, when you really think about it, is a TON:

• The wave of disappointment around Chinese Democracy has died out after ten years. Not to say it's a beloved album these days, but it seems a lot of people are reassessing following the NITL tour, and for new generations and new fans just getting into Guns N' Roses, the album does not have any "mystique" around it. They can stream it, download it, or buy a copy. There's no feeling of the album being mythical for these folks because, to them, it's just another Guns album to listen to. 
• On that note, and the Billboard article brought up this point, Slash and Duff playing Chinese Democracy songs definitely was a "stamp of approval," and definitely had an effect on more old school fans deciding to give it a try. 
• Axl has built up a LOT of good will over the last three years. When Chinese Democracy came out, Axl was still seen as a reclusive, eccentric, and controlling front man who did not even turn up to talk about the album or tour it. The only "promotion" (if you can call it that) was posting on message boards, and a good portion of that was just Axl ragging on fans who acted like dicks (not saying it was not super cool for Axl to stop by the message boards or that the people who acted like jerks did not deserve being called out, just saying that the average person would not have known about those chats). As of today, about to enter 2019, Axl just finished a massive, two and a half year tour with no incidents. Not only did it seem like the band was "getting through it," but Axl seemed to be having fun. Additionally, he fronted AC/DC, another stadium level band, between GN'R shows, while his foot was broken.

All these factors lead me to believe a label would be more interested in a new album. 

Thanks! So did I understand correctly, according to MSL, the label didn't actually reject CD2 in the sense that they wouldn't want to release it. They just didn't want to release it in such a short notice.

 

9 hours ago, Propaganda said:

He tweeted about the powerpoint part.

You're right! Axl probably would have called him a liar if the information was 100% false. Instead Axl just said that there were no concrete plans for anything.

[wasted]

I think the self titled album which Fortus was working on was seperate to CD II. 

[wreckless]

15 hours ago, Propaganda said:

He tweeted about the powerpoint part.

According to MSL, this was the CD2-tracklist:

1. Atlas
2. Cuban Skies
3. Goin' Down
4. Jackie Chan
5. Light My Fire
6. Monstrosity
7. Silkworms
8. Soul Monster
9. The General
10. Thyme
11. Tonto

 

And some other documents:

 

Metal Sludge has compiled (received) a list (thru sources) of everything that is alleged to be on the 'memory stick' that Mister Saint Laurent has claimed to be in possesion of.

Metal Sludge along with Mister Saint Laurent were first to report that Doc McGhee was soon to be "no longer/fired" involved with the Guns N' Roses camp. Only to have Axl Rose himself confirm that "Doc is gone" via his official Twitter days later.

Speaking of Axl & Twitter. He tweeted"Happy Vday!!" earlier today. Such a sweetie.

From our estimation, this is a mother load of 'you name it' regarding Guns N' Roses and all things related for the last decade. This list puts the recently posted and alleged "enemy list" to shame. Is this a random list of nonsense or not? You decide.

001. Sheng Tang Music Festival PDF

002. DJ Ashba's contract

003. June 2010 Axl email dissolving GNR

004. December 2009 Axl email dissolving GNR

005. Doc's 2011 plan powerpoint

006. Better_Gone.mp3

007. January 2010 Caram Castanzo email about bonus tracks

008. November 2010 Axl email bitching about Bumblefoot

009. January 2011 email about cutting everyone's pay (part 1)

010. January 2011 email about cutting everyone's pay (part 2)Insert other media

011. Chinese Democracy band member payments and recoupment

012. Chinese Democracy band producer charts

013. January 2010 Axl email complaining about Dr. Dre

014. October 2009 Axl email to Bumblefoot about Duff rejoining

015. December 2009 Brain email submitting Better remix to Fernando

016. Better video treatment v1

017. Chinese Democracy World Tour Income & Expenses

018. 2009 Band Rehearsal Expenses

019. Tour Income & Expense Summary Production rehearsals (11/09)

020. Chinese Democracy video treatmeant

021. 2010 Europe Leg #2 Budget Summary

022. Geffen Records contract for Second Album (January 2007)

023. Street of Dreams video treatment

024. January 2009 email discussing possible replacements for Robin

025. January 2010 email discussing new versions of Knockin' on Heaven's Door

026. January 2011 Caram Castanzo email complaining about back pay

027. July 2010 email outlining 2011 tour plans, including co-headliners

028. Better video treatment v2

029. June 2010 Caram Castanzo email about bonus tracks & second album

030. Robin Finck Resignation Letter (part 1)

031. Robin Finck Resignation Letter (part 2)

032. Robin Finck Resignation Letter (part 3)

033. July 2008 Axl letter to Robin about leaks

034. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 1)

035. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 2)

036. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 3)

037. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 4)

038. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 5)

039. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 6)

040. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 7)

041. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 8)

042. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 9)

043. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 10)

044. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 11)

045. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 12)

046. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 13)

047. January 2008 Shanghai and Beijing festival offers

048. January 2008 Axl email about how many albums to release (part 1)

049. January 2008 Axl email about how many albums to release (part 2)

050. February 2007 lawsuit threat from fan hit with mic (part 1)

051. February 2007 lawsuit threat from fan hit with mic (part 2)

052. December 2006 letter threatening to sue Zakk Wylde

053. December 2005 Slash email threatening photographer

054. April 2006 Axl Rose tour rider

055. November 2009 Axl Rose letter to Irving Azoff about Beta, reunion, etc (part 1)

056. November 2009 Axl Rose letter to Irving Azoff about Beta, reunion, etc (part 2)

057. November 2009 Axl Rose letter to Irving Azoff about Beta, reunion, etc (part 3)

058. November 2009 Axl Rose letter to Irving Azoff about Beta, reunion, etc (part 4)

059. November 2009 Axl Rose letter to Irving Azoff about Beta, reunion, etc (part 5)

060. November 2009 Axl Rose letter to Irving Azoff about Beta, reunion, etc (part 6)

061. November 2009 Axl Rose letter to Irving Azoff about Beta, reunion, etc (part 7)

062. November 2009 Axl Rose letter to Irving Azoff about Beta, reunion, etc (part 8)

063. June 2008 Beta letter about who deserves credit for Sweet Child O' Mine (part 1)

064. June 2008 Beta letter about who deserves credit for Sweet Child O' Mine (part 2)

065. June 2008 Brain email about which producers deserve credit

066. June 2008 Axl email complaining about Tommy siding with Roy over Caram

067. June 2008 Dizzy email about which producers deserve credit (part 1)

068. June 2008 Dizzy email about which producers deserve credit (part 2)

069. June 2008 Dizzy email about which producers deserve credit (part 3)

070. January 2008 Fernando email listing Axl enemies / Slash allies

071. January 2008 Sebastian Bach email about entering rehab

072. February 2010 Axl email making NY plans

073. October 2004 Beta email to Merck about how to trick Axl, Slash lawsuit, etc (part 1)

074. October 2004 Beta email to Merck about how to trick Axl, Slash lawsuit, etc (part 2)

075. October 2009 Axl email about Duff wanting back in and people wanting Tommy out (part 1)

076. October 2009 Axl email about Duff wanting back in and people wanting Tommy out (part 2)

077. October 2009 Axl email about Duff wanting back in and people wanting Tommy out (part 3)

078. October 2009 Beta/Dizzy conversation about everyone wanting Tommy out

079. December 2008 Axl letter about why he's always late (part 1)

080. December 2008 Axl letter about why he's always late (part 2)

081. December 2008 Axl letter about why he's always late (part 3)

082. February 2007 Unpaid studio and producer invoices

083. March 2009 email outlining the tour dates with Van Halen

084. March 2006 Band and crew rehearsal payroll

085. August 2009 Dizzy email begging for update from Beta

086. February 2010 Financial guarantees for each European festival in May (part 1)

087. February 2010 Financial guarantees for each European festival in May (part 2)

088. May 2010 unpublished Axl tweet giving his side of the story re: Azoff (part 1)

089. May 2010 unpublished Axl tweet giving his side of the story re: Azoff (part 2)

090. May 2010 unpublished Axl tweet giving his side of the story re: Azoff (part 3)

091. April 2010 Income and Expense summaries Asia/Canada/South America (part 1)

092. April 2010 Income and Expense summaries Asia/Canada/South America (part 2)

093. April 2010 Income and Expense summaries Asia/Canada/South America (part 3)

094. April 2010 DJ Ashba email to Doc about Axl wanting to fire DJ

095. April 2010 Axl email dissolving GNR and insisting DJ Ashba be sued

096. January 2008 Axl letter about his feelings on Velvet Revolver (part 1)

097. January 2008 Axl letter about his feelings on Velvet Revolver (part 2)

098. January 2008 Axl letter detailing his uncensored thoughts on Slash

099. January 2008 Axl email about which songs should be on second album

100. "The Honor of Thieves 2" - Axl book about the break-up of GNR

101. December 2010 Doc email about Tommy refusing to play in Abu Dhabi

[jamillos]

What a load of shit. I'd say post a proof or gtfo, st. laurent.

[Sydney Fan]

The post from reckless above, i would like to get firm proof of this but with most things gnr related especially the time period between 06 to 2014 who knows how much of this is true and what is bullshit. I dont think metal sludge posted anything to prove what they had was legit. If at least some of this is true axl was against the world at this point and bordering on completely mentally  unhinged......a stark contrast to how he is now.

In axls mind his comments re, "no concrete plans" says he should have completely disbanded guns at that time. Seems the record company were probably sick of axls and azoffs bullshit they couldnt care if cd was a sales success or failure.

Wonder why/if/when there will be any leaking of points 94 to 100 to break the trust and camaraderie of the band at this point?.

Edited January 1, 2019 by Sydney Fan

[©GnrPersia]

18 hours ago, themadcaplaughs said:

The 2010 album story (from MSL so take it with a grain of salt) was that Axl really did want to release a follow-up album in 2009 (similar to Kid A and Amnesiac or Load and ReLoad), but all the 2008/2009 drama happened: trouble with Azoff and lawsuit, planned spring/summer 2009 tour being cancelled, Axl being pissed the label did not promote Chinese Democracy, etc. However, Axl apparently got inspired after playing live again in late 2009 and early 2010, and decided to pursue releasing new music again. Management went to the label in summer 2010, and asked about using the Reading and Leeds festivals as an opportunity to announce a new album to be released in late 2010/early 2011 (similar to how they used the VMAs in 2002 to announce the North American tour). Per MSL, Axl wanted the album to be self-titled (either Guns N' Roses or GN'R). The label told Axl that was way too short of a turn-around to release an album (which, in all fairness, seems reasonable). Axl apparently got furious, broke up the band, and posted that tweet about shows being cancelled. When management/Team Brazil was finally able to get Axl calmed down, they used the "hack" story as an excuse. Apparently, this was when Axl really stopped caring a ton about releasing new music, and did not even approach the idea again until 2014 (after the Vegas residency). 

Regarding a follow-up album, I would imagine it is really close to done, but might need just a little extra work prior to releasing. I would assume that was why Pittman hung out with Axl in the studio in 2014/2015; to take stock of what songs were available, and in what stage of completion they were. It was mentioned here, by mods, that the rumor was Axl really inspired again, and wanted an album release in 2016 (and even went so far as to begin auditioning new guitarists to replace Bumblefoot to play live and potentially record in the studio). (Another MSL rumor at the time was that the band auditioned a female guitarist DJ Ashba recommended. The GN'R community assumed it was Orianthi, but we never heard much besides that). Would an album have come out in 2016? Knowing the band's history with deadlines, probably not, but it was certainly the intention. Once DJ left, however, the door opened for Slash to come back, and the focus became tour planning. 

Assuming the 2010 album rumor was true, I noticed some here have asked "what would be different between 2010 and 2019." The answer, when you really think about it, is a TON:

• The wave of disappointment around Chinese Democracy has died out after ten years. Not to say it's a beloved album these days, but it seems a lot of people are reassessing following the NITL tour, and for new generations and new fans just getting into Guns N' Roses, the album does not have any "mystique" around it. They can stream it, download it, or buy a copy. There's no feeling of the album being mythical for these folks because, to them, it's just another Guns album to listen to. 
• On that note, and the Billboard article brought up this point, Slash and Duff playing Chinese Democracy songs definitely was a "stamp of approval," and definitely had an effect on more old school fans deciding to give it a try. 
• Axl has built up a LOT of good will over the last three years. When Chinese Democracy came out, Axl was still seen as a reclusive, eccentric, and controlling front man who did not even turn up to talk about the album or tour it. The only "promotion" (if you can call it that) was posting on message boards, and a good portion of that was just Axl ragging on fans who acted like dicks (not saying it was not super cool for Axl to stop by the message boards or that the people who acted like jerks did not deserve being called out, just saying that the average person would not have known about those chats). As of today, about to enter 2019, Axl just finished a massive, two and a half year tour with no incidents. Not only did it seem like the band was "getting through it," but Axl seemed to be having fun. Additionally, he fronted AC/DC, another stadium level band, between GN'R shows, while his foot was broken.

All these factors lead me to believe a label would be more interested in a new album. 

Very good read and insights. totally agree.

[wasted]

I thought I completely fabricated CD2 as a cover for the reunion until now. Now I will shotgun 7 beers if that isn’t true. 

[Billly B]

19 hours ago, themadcaplaughs said:

The 2010 album story (from MSL so take it with a grain of salt) was that Axl really did want to release a follow-up album in 2009 (similar to Kid A and Amnesiac or Load and ReLoad), but all the 2008/2009 drama happened: trouble with Azoff and lawsuit, planned spring/summer 2009 tour being cancelled, Axl being pissed the label did not promote Chinese Democracy, etc. However, Axl apparently got inspired after playing live again in late 2009 and early 2010, and decided to pursue releasing new music again. Management went to the label in summer 2010, and asked about using the Reading and Leeds festivals as an opportunity to announce a new album to be released in late 2010/early 2011 (similar to how they used the VMAs in 2002 to announce the North American tour). Per MSL, Axl wanted the album to be self-titled (either Guns N' Roses or GN'R). The label told Axl that was way too short of a turn-around to release an album (which, in all fairness, seems reasonable). Axl apparently got furious, broke up the band, and posted that tweet about shows being cancelled. When management/Team Brazil was finally able to get Axl calmed down, they used the "hack" story as an excuse. Apparently, this was when Axl really stopped caring a ton about releasing new music, and did not even approach the idea again until 2014 (after the Vegas residency). 

Regarding a follow-up album, I would imagine it is really close to done, but might need just a little extra work prior to releasing. I would assume that was why Pittman hung out with Axl in the studio in 2014/2015; to take stock of what songs were available, and in what stage of completion they were. It was mentioned here, by mods, that the rumor was Axl really inspired again, and wanted an album release in 2016 (and even went so far as to begin auditioning new guitarists to replace Bumblefoot to play live and potentially record in the studio). (Another MSL rumor at the time was that the band auditioned a female guitarist DJ Ashba recommended. The GN'R community assumed it was Orianthi, but we never heard much besides that). Would an album have come out in 2016? Knowing the band's history with deadlines, probably not, but it was certainly the intention. Once DJ left, however, the door opened for Slash to come back, and the focus became tour planning. 

Assuming the 2010 album rumor was true, I noticed some here have asked "what would be different between 2010 and 2019." The answer, when you really think about it, is a TON:

• The wave of disappointment around Chinese Democracy has died out after ten years. Not to say it's a beloved album these days, but it seems a lot of people are reassessing following the NITL tour, and for new generations and new fans just getting into Guns N' Roses, the album does not have any "mystique" around it. They can stream it, download it, or buy a copy. There's no feeling of the album being mythical for these folks because, to them, it's just another Guns album to listen to. 
• On that note, and the Billboard article brought up this point, Slash and Duff playing Chinese Democracy songs definitely was a "stamp of approval," and definitely had an effect on more old school fans deciding to give it a try. 
• Axl has built up a LOT of good will over the last three years. When Chinese Democracy came out, Axl was still seen as a reclusive, eccentric, and controlling front man who did not even turn up to talk about the album or tour it. The only "promotion" (if you can call it that) was posting on message boards, and a good portion of that was just Axl ragging on fans who acted like dicks (not saying it was not super cool for Axl to stop by the message boards or that the people who acted like jerks did not deserve being called out, just saying that the average person would not have known about those chats). As of today, about to enter 2019, Axl just finished a massive, two and a half year tour with no incidents. Not only did it seem like the band was "getting through it," but Axl seemed to be having fun. Additionally, he fronted AC/DC, another stadium level band, between GN'R shows, while his foot was broken.

All these factors lead me to believe a label would be more interested in a new album. 

Yes Slash and Duff playing Chinese Democracy songs, gives hope because they made alterations to the songs that made them sound better live. Imagine what they could do with the unreleased songs of Axl's and Axl's vocals on Sash and Duff's unreleased songs.

[Underhardy]

Is there any site that has all of MSLs reports, leaks and info? He’s obviously in the shadows now, but during this time seemed to love the attention. All I have seen lately is that weird video of him on a Chinese video sharing site with weird pillows. 

[T-Minus]

The Chinese stuff.  Half baked reunions with poor vocals and overly long guitar solos do nothing for me.

Edited January 1, 2019 by T-Minus

[Propaganda]

Off all of that, I'm most curious about this points:

013. January 2010 Axl email complaining about Dr. Dre

048. January 2008 Axl email about how many albums to release (part 1)

049. January 2008 Axl email about how many albums to release (part 2)

066. June 2008 Axl email complaining about Tommy siding with Roy over Caram

099. January 2008 Axl email about which songs should be on second album

 

The rest is pretty much gossip. Seeing this list of songs though:

1. Atlas
2. Cuban Skies
3. Goin' Down
4. Jackie Chan
5. Light My Fire
6. Monstrosity
7. Silkworms
8. Soul Monster
9. The General
10. Thyme
11. Tonto

 

It seems like the next album would be pretty weak. We've already heard Going Down, Silkworms and a few seconds of Jackie Chan, and although I like it, I have to admit that it ain't all too great. Interesting songs, but not at Guns N'Roses standards. We have also heard the party clip from The General, and although we can hardly hear the song, I believe all of us would agree that we can perceive the melody and solos of the song. I'm going as far as saying that it doesn't sound like the epic song that all the hype surrounding it built into it.

So this leaves us with 7 songs, and those 7 songs, assuming this was really the tracklist for the album would have to be real classics for this album to survive! Wouldn't you agree??

In essence what I'm trying to say is that even though I really wanna hear this songs, this particular tracklist sounds much less promising than Chinese Democracy.

I hope I'm wrong.... I hope Axl shuts my fucking mouth and throw us with a masterpiece, I really do!

 

Edited January 1, 2019 by Propaganda

[Stro]

Why DID Robin leave? It didn't seem like it was on bad terms, was it just his contract was up and he wanted to go back to NIN?

[Sosso]

3 minutes ago, Stro said:

Why DID Robin leave? It didn't seem like it was on bad terms, was it just his contract was up and he wanted to go back to NIN?

I have the impression that he was busted by Irving Azoff, but he couldn't bring Slash back. 

Edited January 1, 2019 by Sosso

[GnR Chris]

3 hours ago, Propaganda said:

Off all of that, I'm most curious about this points:

013. January 2010 Axl email complaining about Dr. Dre

048. January 2008 Axl email about how many albums to release (part 1)

049. January 2008 Axl email about how many albums to release (part 2)

066. June 2008 Axl email complaining about Tommy siding with Roy over Caram

099. January 2008 Axl email about which songs should be on second album

 

The rest is pretty much gossip. Seeing this list of songs though:

1. Atlas
2. Cuban Skies
3. Goin' Down
4. Jackie Chan
5. Light My Fire
6. Monstrosity
7. Silkworms
8. Soul Monster
9. The General
10. Thyme
11. Tonto

 

It seems like the next album would be pretty weak. We've already heard Going Down, Silkworms and a few seconds of Jackie Chan, and although I like it, I have to admit that it ain't all too great. Interesting songs, but not at Guns N'Roses standards. We have also heard the party clip from The General, and although we can hardly hear the song, I believe all of us would agree that we can perceive the melody and solos of the song. I'm going as far as saying that it doesn't sound like the epic song that all the hype surrounding it built into it.

So this leaves us with 7 songs, and those 7 songs, assuming this was really the tracklist for the album would have to be real classics for this album to survive! Wouldn't you agree??

In essence what I'm trying to say is that even though I really wanna hear this songs, this particular tracklist sounds much less promising than Chinese Democracy.

I hope I'm wrong.... I hope Axl shuts my fucking mouth and throw us with a masterpiece, I really do!

 

Did you seriously just call an album "pretty weak" that you literally know nothing about beyond rumored song titles? Haha! Oh, wow. An album review of song titles. 

[Propaganda]

20 minutes ago, GnR Chris said:

Did you seriously just call an album "pretty weak" that you literally know nothing about beyond rumored song titles? Haha! Oh, wow. An album review of song titles. 

As I said we've heard two complete songs of that album. Going Down is acceptable, it has some cool moments. Silkworms is not as good (Bear in mind that I'm a GNR Hardcore fan, so I still have love for those songs, but being totally impartial, this two songs overall, are not up to GNR Standards, in my opinion. I still like them but...).

We've heard roughly 30 seconds of Jackie Chan (Checkmate), and quite frankly I personally didn't like what I heard in those 30 seconds. What I've heard on those 30 seconds seems weaker and less interesting than Silkworms. 

We've also heard some of the main melody of The General, and although we can't make much of it, because of the quality, the melody is clear enough and it's clear enough for you to know that it probably won't live up to its Hype.

So what I'm saying is that the rest of the songs, the 7 songs that are on that tracklist, would have to be pretty damn good, for that album to live it's expectations! 

Frankly, when we heard Better and Chinese Democracy and Street of Dreams, and There was a time for the first time and were all rambling here at the forums, I believe you could genuinely say that Chinese Democracy would have something special in it. Even if it was just those 4 songs! I don't quite feel the same way after listening to Going Down or Silkworms. (I still like them, it's GNR, it's interesting... but...). 

So what I'm saying is that I truly hope Axl blows my mind, and shuts my mouth with those songs.

It's only my opinion Brotha! Dig it ?... Yeeeeaaaaaahhh!!

Edited January 1, 2019 by Propaganda

[Azifwekare]

Although it would be hella interesting to read through, I've always struggled to believe that list of emails was real. If those are emails that Axl genuinely sent, it makes him sound like a little bitch.

Well, actually, it makes the whole GN'R camp seem like Mean Girls.

Edited January 1, 2019 by Azifwekare

[The Matinator]

4 hours ago, Propaganda said:

Off all of that, I'm most curious about this points:

013. January 2010 Axl email complaining about Dr. Dre

048. January 2008 Axl email about how many albums to release (part 1)

049. January 2008 Axl email about how many albums to release (part 2)

066. June 2008 Axl email complaining about Tommy siding with Roy over Caram

099. January 2008 Axl email about which songs should be on second album

 

The rest is pretty much gossip. Seeing this list of songs though:

1. Atlas
2. Cuban Skies
3. Goin' Down
4. Jackie Chan
5. Light My Fire
6. Monstrosity
7. Silkworms
8. Soul Monster
9. The General
10. Thyme
11. Tonto

 

It seems like the next album would be pretty weak. We've already heard Going Down, Silkworms and a few seconds of Jackie Chan, and although I like it, I have to admit that it ain't all too great. Interesting songs, but not at Guns N'Roses standards. We have also heard the party clip from The General, and although we can hardly hear the song, I believe all of us would agree that we can perceive the melody and solos of the song. I'm going as far as saying that it doesn't sound like the epic song that all the hype surrounding it built into it.

So this leaves us with 7 songs, and those 7 songs, assuming this was really the tracklist for the album would have to be real classics for this album to survive! Wouldn't you agree??

In essence what I'm trying to say is that even though I really wanna hear this songs, this particular tracklist sounds much less promising than Chinese Democracy.

I hope I'm wrong.... I hope Axl shuts my fucking mouth and throw us with a masterpiece, I really do!

 

For the record, MSL never confirmed this as a tracklist, these are the songs he said he had on a flash drive in China, he Said something along the lines of "if anything happens to me legally, those songs are there" like he was threatening to leak them if management came at him, crazy times. I don't even think Cuban Skies, Monstrosity, Light My Fire or Tonto were confirmed as real besides him saying they exist, although I believe Fortus eventually released an instrumental song called Tonto somewhere.

[Propaganda]

3 minutes ago, The Matinator said:

For the record, MSL never confirmed this as a tracklist, these are the songs he said he had on a flash drive in China, he Said something along the lines of "if anything happens to me legally, those songs are there" like he was threatening to leak them if management came at him, crazy times. I don't even think Cuban Skies, Monstrosity, Light My Fire or Tonto were confirmed as real besides him saying they exist, although I believe Fortus eventually released an instrumental song called Tonto somewhere.

Not saying that this is a confirmed tracklist at all.

We're just trowing if's here. If the tracklist of the next album was this one, if that's the tracklist that gets released. etc...

Edited January 1, 2019 by Propaganda

[Azifwekare]

1 minute ago, The Matinator said:

For the record, MSL never confirmed this as a tracklist, these are the songs he said he had on a flash drive in China, he Said something along the lines of "if anything happens to me legally, those songs are there" like he was threatening to leak them if management came at him, crazy times. I don't even think Cuban Skies, Monstrosity, Light My Fire or Tonto were confirmed as real besides him saying they exist, although I believe Fortus eventually released an instrumental song called Tonto somewhere.

The Going Down title first came from MSL, and was confirmed when it appeared as a backup song in setlists. Also, as you said, Tonto ended up being a Fortus demo. So if I was a betting man I'd say that the remaining titles are real also, if not GN'R tracks then at least related in some way e.g. a bunch of demos Ashba sent over for consideration.

[F*ck Fear]

8 hours ago, Wagszilla said:

We don't know for sure.

We do know that Robin was frustrated by the inability to complete in album in 1999 after his first contract expired.

We also have the following:

• 2001: Robin and Buckethead reportedly not meshing, having a tense relationship. Axl mentioned this, actually, but put a PR spin on it.
• 2006: Fortus and Robin reportedly being not thrilled that Bumblefoot joined the band. Why share the spotlight?
• 2007: A fan commenting that Robin slammed his guitar stormed off in Monterrey 2007 because he was tired of Axl's shit or something to that effect.
• 2008: Azoff reportedly trying to push Robin out to loop Slash back in.
• 2008: Robin quitting, seemingly with no communication to management. The email to Del James (I seem to remember more colorful language in the actual email) that mentioned "only Robin knows what Robin's doing"
• 2010-2014: General disfunction, band members not being paid, no communication with band members

If you take the available evidence at hand, Robin probably got tired of Axl as Dutch van der Linde promising him a bridge to nowhere.

You've got to have faith, Robin! I've got a plan!

Wasn't Monterrey 2007 thing about Axl being drunk?

[moreblack]

Good. Don't want none of it until Slash, Melissa and Duff get their hands on it.

Edited January 2, 2019 by moreblack

[metallex78]

12 minutes ago, moreblack said:

Good. Don't want none of it until Slash, Melissa and Duff get their hands on it.

Edit: Slash and Duff get their hands on it. 

Please leave the smurf far away from anything new being composed. 

[moreblack]

9 minutes ago, metallex78 said:

Edit: Slash and Duff get their hands on it. 

Please leave the smurf far away from anything new being composed. 

Absolutely not, I'd rather her work on it than whatever Pittman did. And I've a feeling with the way towel guy quit, that his work won't be on whatever they release going forward.

Edited January 2, 2019 by moreblack

[KeyserSoze]

the fact that we are even having this discussion is astonishing. 

 

As if the two are remotely comparable. 

 

Yeah, it would have been nice to hear the closed chapter of that crazy wave known as Chinese Democracy we rode for 20 straight years. But the reunion was something every single person here NEVER thought would happen. And if it didn’t happen now, I hate to say it but they are only going to get older. Everything that has happened that is associated with this ‘reunion’ is exactly what has needed to happen. 

 

Except for the music. 

 

You know, the reason why GNR exists. 

 

This current band has toured the world, what? 3 times over at this point in 3 years. That should be some sort of record in and of itself, but where in the FUCK is the album??? 

 

You are trying to tell me Slash, SLASH, the motherfucking WORKHORSE of the band since his original departure has NOTHING written, but can put out another side project album? Slash has literally orchestrated for movies. At this point, he could write the whole mother fucker himself, throw some lyrics to Axl and have them all go pump it out in the studio. Duff has nothing, but is about to go put out a solo album???? Axl has the gall to sing children’s songs on TV, but has nothing creative written down? SCOM WAS A POEM FOR FUCKS SAKE. 

 

An album delivered anytime between 2016 and now would have been the icing on the proverbial cake. Seriously it boggles my mind that these guys haven’t put out an album with at least 10 songs on it at this point. Its the whole reason why people now look back and say “damn. I wonder where things could have gone.” Musically at least. 

 

Do you believe anyone pre-2015 would have believed you if you told them Slash was rejoining Axl Rose in Guns N’ Roses? 

 

Now, almost 4 years later with no music to account for this event that many thought would never happen, we wanna look back and say “wellll, if Axl isn’t working with his old buddies to create newer music, can we have the leftovers?”  Come on now. Don’t let these music blue balls get to your head. 

 

We know what we want right now, and its a fucking Guns N’ Roses album of FRESH TO OUR EARS music (whatever that may be…) played by AT LEAST Axl, Duff and Slash.  

 

To me, Chinese Democracy is just one album. One of maybe 5 Axl and any combo of GNR could have put together in that time. 

 

Look at Metallica in the same time period of 1994-2014. 4 albums. None of which you would recommend to someone who questioned “what is Metallica?” If you look at it in this light, maybe you see Axl and co. having 4 or 5 albums of “chinese” themed filler material that is never played at shows in favor of Paradise City for the 500th time. (Some of you’s got mad Slash was playing Chi Dem songs!!! But don’t get me started on that!) 

 

Either the stuff that was recorded during that time is going to come out (in this lifetime....) or it isn’t. If I had to guess, id say one day it *might* leak. Which would fall in line with the history of the Chi Dem era, or maybe one day they just surprise us like they’ve been doing lately and axl decides to remaster the fucker and add it to a box set with the art work he wants or something.

 

With all of this being said, I’d choose the reunion. Everything about 2016 was amazing in regards to this band. It was the most hype around here its been in awhile. The whole Troub show night/day was wild. Traveling with my best buds to Tennessee and seeing Adler on stage with the band getting to hear Slash play that evil song about him known as ‘Sorry’ live before everyone else, and getting to see them in my hometown for the first time since 1992 was pretty historic for one year if you ask me. 

 

The memories made during that year alone will last me longer then any throwaway song from Axl’s magnum opus   

[wasted]

I could see CD II being released without Slash and Duff but them continue to tour with GNR and then start work on a new album.