YourMother'sDruthers Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 It somehow found itself estranged from the set list. Too far from the shore to make it back home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) maybe there were negative connotations to Estranged for Axl as a tune. It was, after all, the song where Axl and Slash reached new musical heights together and that was only possible through collaboration between the two of them. (and the rest of the band of course) Axl mentioned live in a 2002 show how Slash (and Duff) didn't want to work on November Rain and Estranged. Perhaps the fact that it did work between them so perfectly in Estranged and still wasn't enough to keep Slash in Guns was one of the reasons Axl tried to avoid performing it for years. He tried to avoid Don't Cry as well I believe, maybe for similar reasons. things change, everything can change if Axl called Slash, shared some food, and made more than 500 mil together. It's interesting how open Slash will be creatively for Axl's ideas when it's time to write and record. It seems like both sides don't want to fuck it up so there will be more compromise this time imo which could lead to more epic tunes but also Slash ideas, songs with powerful riffs with Axl giving it his context. Edited January 24, 2019 by Rovim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 2 hours ago, Rovim said: maybe there were negative connotations to Estranged for Axl as a tune. It was, after all, the song where Axl and Slash reached new musical heights together and that was only possible through collaboration between the two of them. (and the rest of the band of course) Axl mentioned live in a 2002 show how Slash (and Duff) didn't want to work on November Rain and Estranged. Perhaps the fact that it did work between them so perfectly in Estranged and still wasn't enough to keep Slash in Guns was one of the reasons Axl tried to avoid performing it for years. He tried to avoid Don't Cry as well I believe, maybe for similar reasons. things change, everything can change if Axl called Slash, shared some food, and made more than 500 mil together. It's interesting how open Slash will be creatively for Axl's ideas when it's time to write and record. It seems like both sides don't want to fuck it up so there will be more compromise this time imo which could lead to more epic tunes but also Slash ideas, songs with powerful riffs with Axl giving it his context. Thankful Bumblefoot , Estranged and Don't Cry was played again, Axl's was convinced for him. I remember that Don't Cry was played in Israel in a mix with Israel national anthem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billly B Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 4 hours ago, Ratam said: Thankful Bumblefoot , Estranged and Don't Cry was played again, Axl's was convinced for him. I remember that Don't Cry was played in Israel in a mix with Israel national anthem. Ron was a major player in convincing Axl to change it up during the concerts. However he was not able to get Axl on the creative page... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 7 hours ago, Billly B said: Ron was a major player in convincing Axl to change it up during the concerts. However he was not able to get Axl on the creative page... Yes , the creative page depend of Axl only.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedYourIllusion Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, Ratam said: Yes , the creative page depend of Axl only.... TO BE FAIR, if what Axl said is true, and they had about 3 albums worth of material waiting to see the light of day, i don't think he needed to be. Maybe he and the record label needed to be convinced to release them. But from how every flips out over phone recordings and small leaks or rumors about the excess CD material, doesn't seem like they needed MORE. Just to release what they had. But, to your point, yes only Axl it seems can push things along. It also seems like the setlists between 2002-2011 were pretty different for every tour. Its not like the 1992 version of UYI tour or NITL. At least from what i've seen. Edited January 25, 2019 by UsedYourIllusion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprite Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 I still remember the first time they played it since 93. Wasn’t it at Rock in Rio 11? When Ron raises his arms at the beginning as the crowd realizes its estranged? Damn.. I feel like that was a collective hands in the air for all who have ever worked with Axl and struggled. Cause as I remember this was a big issue for awhile with the fans. There were rumors swirling and then finally, it happens. It was like my god Ron, you did it. You made him do something he probably didn’t want to. God bless you sir. And he made the CD song way better with that Fretless so he’s a gnr legend in my book Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 55 minutes ago, UsedYourIllusion said: TO BE FAIR, if what Axl said is true, and they had about 3 albums worth of material waiting to see the light of day, i don't think he needed to be. Maybe he and the record label needed to be convinced to release them. But from how every flips out over phone recordings and small leaks or rumors about the excess CD material, doesn't seem like they needed MORE. Just to release what they had. But, to your point, yes only Axl it seems can push things along. It also seems like the setlists between 2002-2011 were pretty different for every tour. Its not like the 1992 version of UYI tour or NITL. At least from what i've seen. The problem is that Axl collect songs , but never release , is a weird case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 38 minutes ago, Sprite said: I still remember the first time they played it since 93. Wasn’t it at Rock in Rio 11? When Ron raises his arms at the beginning as the crowd realizes its estranged? Damn.. I feel like that was a collective hands in the air for all who have ever worked with Axl and struggled. Cause as I remember this was a big issue for awhile with the fans. There were rumors swirling and then finally, it happens. It was like my god Ron, you did it. You made him do something he probably didn’t want to. God bless you sir. And he made the CD song way better with that Fretless so he’s a gnr legend in my book Think was Rio 11. In the Rock in Rio poll , the song most fans asked was Estranged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaguns1982 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 On 20/01/2019 at 11:11 PM, t-p-d-a said: The more important question is. Why Estranged is played very early in the set. It is absolutely out of place. The first songs are there to fire up the crowd. I saw the NITL... tour three times and so far this song has brought down the mood after the audience was so hyped up. In my opinion, this belongs in the category "Epic". And I think epic songs should be played towards the end. I also ask myself why the trilogy is played backwards. First Estranged, then November Rain and finally Don't Cry. Estranged does not feel right at the beginning of the concert, especially in summer on a bright day. The song screams for epic proportions. It needs lighting effects I hadn’t thought about that but you’re right imo. Although I think this I love is a major buzz kill at every show. Of the 3 gigs I saw, every time they played it, people used it as a piss break or go to the bar lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 56 minutes ago, megaguns1982 said: I hadn’t thought about that but you’re right imo. Although I think this I love is a major buzz kill at every show. Of the 3 gigs I saw, every time they played it, people used it as a piss break or go to the bar lol TiL was a highlight in 2016 when he could sing it and when Slash would actually try to play a good solo After the last few years it should be retired 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t-p-d-a Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 8 hours ago, megaguns1982 said: I hadn’t thought about that but you’re right imo. Although I think this I love is a major buzz kill at every show. Of the 3 gigs I saw, every time they played it, people used it as a piss break or go to the bar lol you right. I was in Berlin 2018. And This I Love was absoluty shit. And I was standing as a huge Axl Fan in the middle of the crowd. I was lookin at the ground, didn't want to see people faces. Oh God. This I love works only with a strong voice. The song with Mickey is absoluty sh1t and a mood killer. This I Love in Vegas 2016 is mindblowing.. but 2018 with weak voice? no! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 42 minutes ago, t-p-d-a said: you right. I was in Berlin 2018. And This I Love was absoluty shit. And I was standing as a huge Axl Fan in the middle of the crowd. I was lookin at the ground, didn't want to see people faces. Oh God. This I love works only with a strong voice. The song with Mickey is absoluty sh1t and a mood killer. This I Love in Vegas 2016 is mindblowing.. but 2018 with weak voice? no! Completely agree... in Seattle and Vegas 2016 that song was a highlight. Vancouver 2017 it was the worst song of the night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Ass Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 This I love is a terrible "Guns" song no matter what shape Axl's voice is in.. I don't think the majority of the people at the shows are paying to see weird songs like that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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